That reminds me of how the mafia used to roll. They would charge small businesses "protection fees" so they would get a piece. Fogettaboutit.
A bit of a rant over keeping vaping legal and safe.
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That reminds me of how the mafia used to roll. They would charge small businesses "protection fees" so they would get a piece. Fogettaboutit.
That firework lobby has some clout ..
If we want the PV to be and stay what we want, and the innovation to continue .. the whining and what not exhibited by so many should be channeled into ways to work the system the same way any entity works the system ..
Because in the end, the system is what it is .. I think the posts on here I got a chuckle out of the most were those that somehow morphed gun law into the PV .. and, BTW, the right to carry and own no longer has any bearing on the original intent of the 2nd Amendment .. unless, of course, you're willing to go up against a tank or an Apache ..
If we all seen eye to eye, and agreed on everything, there would be no discussion! lol
I'm glad I found this place. I seem to enjoy speaking with people who understand vaping and enjoy talking about it... unlike my wife...
I wouldn't mind if they tax it like normal sales tax. But not the inflated tobacco level taxes.
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I think you know where I'm coming from ..
.. I'm as much against new and/or increasing taxation as the next guy .. I'm a small business owner, so I know the impact personally .. however, in general terms, America would not be America if it were not for taxation .. and my post was simply a response to "That reminds me of how the mafia used to roll. They would charge small businesses "protection fees" so they would get a piece. Fogettaboutit."
Devices / batteries / PG / VG etc etc will never be taxed at that level .. normal sales tax will stay the norm ..
Nic is still at the same rate .. my advice to anyone .. ?? If you are truly worried about it, stock up on nic solution .. I personally have 6000ml in freezer storage .. I call it Insurance .. you insure your car, you insure your house, your life, etc .. and people say to me .. "Yeah, but that's expensive .. " .. buy 1000ml at a time I tell them .. and keep in mind what you used to spend on analogs ..
It's all relative ..
I've seen plastic bags that say "DO NOT PLACE OVER HEAD" and it occurs to me... anyone stupid enough to do that wouldn't even be able to read the warning.Just another thought, if we quit regulating stupid, we wouldn't have the Social Security problem we are facing. But noooooo they have to put that stupid warning on all blow dryers that you can't use it in the bathtub. Or that you don't want to put your hands in a running law mower to get that clump of grass out of the blades. Or...... The list is endless. It used to be a natural way to keep the population size down and the intelligence level up. Sadly they are both doing the opposite.
I'm joking (kind of not though)
The breed was developed to fight other dogs through careful/selective breeding process. Only dogs that showed the required aggression were bred, one that did not were euthanized. Today this practice is not common so there are some dogs that are not genetically aggressive as the outcome of the initial breed development, some are. Training only brings half the picture to the table, good trainers know this and carefully select the dog based on genetics for suitability to train in an avenue.
How on earth do you know this? I am not saying you are wrong, but there have been greater restrictions than what you describe elsewhere. The FDA banned them last time. Can you be sure of what you are asserting as fact here?
I believe e-liquid will be targeted in the name of "safety". We had better be ready to defend it. It is a wonderful cottage industry, and must be protected at all costs. Look at the different e-liquid options we have, compare it to four years ago. Where will we be in four more if it continues unmolested? We cannot permit e-liquid to be handed over to a few big manufacturers with license, permit, or BS regulation requirements.
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My little chiwawa is a very aggressive dog. He is pretty harmless due to his size but for my sanity and his safety we have got his aggressiveness under control.
First I dont want a bigger dog to hurt or kill him so when I have friends who have gentle dogs I always introduce my dog to theirs it took a little time but he no longer acts aggressive every time he sees a dog.
Next I backed him in to a corner every time some knocks on the door and wait till he stops barking before I open the door. It took a little time and persistence but I have a very well behaved little dog whose company I enjoy being around!
IMO if your not going to spend time with your dog teach it how to behave some dogs require more attention that others then do your self and the dog a favor get a fish.
It would be first, impossible to impose some sort of tobacco tax on a battery that is used in multiple, all different use, devices ..
PG / VG staying at the current tax level is also a given .. it has had and continues to have multiple non PV uses ..
Devices are all a matter of marketing ..
And the answer to the PV industry protecting itself is the same as any industry protecting itself .. hire a lobbying firm .. that's how it's done .. you must work the system within the system .. these USA based shops should pool resources and protect themselves .. after all, it's their business that's most at risk here .. certainly not the Chinese ..
That firework lobby has some clout ..
If we want the PV to be and stay what we want, and the innovation to continue .. the whining and what not exhibited by so many should be channeled into ways to work the system the same way any entity works the system ..
Because in the end, the system is what it is .. I think the posts on here I got a chuckle out of the most were those that somehow morphed gun law into the PV .. and, BTW, the right to carry and own no longer has any bearing on the original intent of the 2nd Amendment .. unless, of course, you're willing to go up against a tank or an Apache ..
the viet cong went up against both...or what essentially was the 1970s equivalent of both and prevailed...the 2nd amendment is to revolt against tyranny...arguments like "the modern military is too big" ignore history demonstrating what smaller, less equipped but more determined forces can do
they also leave out the idea that in any civil war, factioning would occur and some of the military would leave and becomes part of any organized resistence
off topic, i know, sorry
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Don't be afraid. Be assertive and be angry if need be. Your rights are rights, not privileges, and managing your own body is a natural right, not a state-defined one. If I want to smoke a pack of cigarettes, eat a box of deep-fried cookies, get drunk, walk with a slouch, let my nails grow out and refuse to brush my teeth, there is nothing anybody can do about that.
The government cannot put a ban or heavy tax on our equipment, as the manufacturers will simply begin labeling them as 'electronic parts' or 'flashlight extensions' if need be. The liquid would be under fire, and this is where we must draw the line in rock. Support CASAA and make your voice heard. Call your local reps if any fishy legislation pops up near you. This war will be won over the course of numerous battles, not by playing nice and vaping quietly in the background. Stay informed and updated, communicate with others, and defend your rights.
The government cannot put a ban or heavy tax on our equipment, as the manufacturers will simply begin labeling them as 'electronic parts' or 'flashlight extensions' if need be. The liquid would be under fire, and this is where we must draw the line in rock. Support CASAA and make your voice heard. Call your local reps if any fishy legislation pops up near you. This war will be won over the course of numerous battles, not by playing nice and vaping quietly in the background. Stay informed and updated, communicate with others, and defend your rights.
You are not addressing the issue of e-liquid regulation. There is where the battle is most likely to occur. It is too late for them to lobby for protections. Are they going to out-lobby BT/BP? Not very likely. If the regulation bans the sale of e-liquid not in pre-filled and approved cartridges, is the answer buying Nic concentrate?
I would rather mount a vigorous defense of this industry then let it fall to "big anything". Why should we permit it? There are many ways to fight it, none of which require us to bleed, the e-liquid industry is worth fighting for.
The regulation is coming, or not, this summer, or early fall at the latest. It will fall to CASAA and vapers to stand for e-liquid manufacturers if it does. We cannot just greet this imposition on our recreation/replacement method with meek acceptance.
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E-liquid regulation is pretty much a given, IMO .. the degree of which is what should and could be lobbied for at any time, especially now before anything is set in stone .. and when it happens, unless those that now profit from the sale of the goods in this country are using the system to write the rules, VIA a Lobby .. which is how it's done .. they will disappear and the sale of that then elusive nicotine will then go underground .. it's as simple as that ..
And nothing will prevent the Chinese from continuing to offer what they offer ..
The business built around selling the goods is the most important piece of this puzzle .. which is the exact same scenario that gets trumpeted around ECF as it relates to BT and it's efforts ..
Yes, we all have some skin in the game, but no one is going to take to the streets and carry a picket sign, sorry .. We're not going to have the "movement" ..
And I'm a Game of Thrones fan myself, BTW ..
Why would you think we would is really the question .. have analog smokers which far outnumber our ranks taken to the streets when continued tax upon tax upon tax has been imposed .. ??
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