Really hope this doesn't start an argument but why do people care??

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I only care what others do when it puts vaping in a bad light.
I care when people are flip about battery safety
I care when people "vape where they want" mostly the attitude, and blowing huge clouds or blowing their vapor in people faces in non smoking areas.
I don't post much in the forums anymore as people tend to jump on you when their opinion doesn't match yours.

I enjoy vaping and would rather not have to hide it or pay the government to do it. ie (banned completely or taxed ridiculously)
I should've added that being upset over bad manners & things like that I understand completely,meant to edit & add that but I forgot.
 
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On a light note and forgive my humour, it is no way meant to offend but if that is you in your avatar pic, then I'd be too afraid to say anything to you, you'd probably knock me out..
Joking apart, it's best to just rise above those type of people, harder said than done sometimes but better not to give them the satisfaction :thumb:
Lol it is me but if you saw me in person you wouldn't worry about that,I'm 5'2 & 95-98lbs so I'm about as far from physically intimidating as you can get.
 
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CorTEH

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Sometimes people believe if things were not done the way it is "supposed" to be done, then you are entitled to being judged.
And i say "supposed" because its their belief that the way they did things is the right way. When really they are too close
minded to see anything other than. Its unfortunate but you will see this with everything. Its just how some people are.
 

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Lol it is me but if you saw me in person you wouldn't worry about that,I'm 5'2 & 95-98lbs so I'm about as far from physically intimidating as you can get.
Awww, it was just the expression on your face in the picture lol.. *Hugs* :)
 

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Some people have decided that if you vape a certain way, or look different than them, or have never smoked that their vape is more pristine than yours. And unless you renounce your evil fringe ways and fall in line with their way of vaping they are going to lose the ability to vape not because of BT, BP, BG, and the super spy Antz.

It's a self fulfilling prophecy. Regulation is going to happen regardless, and it will have nothing to do with how anyone vapes.
 

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I can understand why some people who have never smoked, take up vaping. It can be a cool hobby; trying different liquids, experimenting with coil builds and wick materials, collecting vape gear.
However, vapers who are ex smokers, or those struggling to eventually become ex smokers, feel that you have to pay your dues. The price of the dues is struggling with the addiction to cigarettes, and whatever I'll effects they have caused, which has brought them to vaping.
IMO, there's room in the tent for everybody. We won't further our cause by excluding anybody.
 

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+1 on @Lessifer long answer!

The fear of over regulation seems to be the driving force behind peoples perception of a reason for vaping.

In the average vapers mind regarding the public perception:

If people arent safe, they get hurt and vaping=bad
If people start using nicotine who wouldnt have before, then vaping=bad
If the flavors attract an adult, those same flavors will likely attract a minor, then vaping=bad
If your gear isnt the same as mine, then yours in unsafe, see item #1

Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to...Suffering!
 

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+1 on @Lessifer long answer!

The fear of over regulation seems to be the driving force behind peoples perception of a reason for vaping.

In the average vapers mind regarding the public perception:

If people arent safe, they get hurt and vaping=bad
If people start using nicotine who wouldnt have before, then vaping=bad
If the flavors attract an adult, those same flavors will likely attract a minor, then vaping=bad
If your gear isnt the same as mine, then yours in unsafe, see item #1

Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to...Suffering!

I need more likes for the Yoda quote. :lol:
 

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Well, I think that people who vape high nicotine are destorying the flavors of their juices and are noobishly unaware of the fact that they could get the same amount of nicotine with phenominally better flavor if they just learned how to use better devices to make some delectably warm dense clouds.

And I think that people who are tootle-puffing are just contented with a sub-standard level of vaping. Usually, they simply haven't experienced life to its fullest, and don't yet realize that something so much better is readily accessible.

And I think that everyone who is interested should start vaping. Because it is awesome and superior to inhaling regular air all day.

So thats my bias. I don't usually start arguments though.
 
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Now that I'm having coffee,..I can elaborate a bit more on my errm,..short post above. ;)

Ah to be young and everything so new! Most of us smoked 10 or so years,..(me,..43 years 'cause I'm an old bar-stewart). Man it was so hard to quit smoking..Not me but some of the older crowd might would wonder why anyone would even take up nicotine?!?
Like with most of us you couldn't turn the TV on without some hot young blond flirting with some Hollywood hunk,..both with cigarettes dangling from their lips...(I see James Dean in this scenario with a very young Liz Taylor)! :sneaky: :w00t:

Now I know e-cigs are getting in on some scenes on popular HBO shows,..( I saw one being used in True Detective),..and I think in mens rags like Playboy,..(don't ask), but nothing but BT e-cigs like Blu and NJOY commercials on regular TV that I have seen.

Maybe it's the gear after all,..who knows but I did see something cool the other day:

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A Game Of Thrones Vape Box! :w00t:

So yeah you are going to run into the zealots out there and even the regular jackarses that will treat someone that admits,..("I never smoked before I started vaping") in a condescending manner. In other words,...Jackarses. ;)
 

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+1 on @Lessifer long answer!

The fear of over regulation seems to be the driving force behind peoples perception of a reason for vaping.

In the average vapers mind regarding the public perception:

If people arent safe, they get hurt and vaping=bad
If people start using nicotine who wouldnt have before, then vaping=bad
If the flavors attract an adult, those same flavors will likely attract a minor, then vaping=bad
If your gear isnt the same as mine, then yours in unsafe, see item #1

Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to...Suffering!
I'm starting to get a serious man crush on u my friend.
 

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Life is WAAAAYYYYY to short to worry about what other people think. And there are far too few pleasures to be had on a daily basis. If you enjoy something and it makes you feel happy, even just for a few moments a day, then do it and to Hell the rest of the world. Some people's self-esteem problems make them feel tiny and insignificant and they feel more powerful and better about themselves when they denigrate others for being different. They are the ones with the problem and should be ignored whenever possible. If they refuse to be ignored, a quick punch in the nose usually solves the problem... or at least gives you a chance to walk away before they can say anything else. :thumb:
 
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Some stuff I've been wondering about but don't want to start an argument between anyone,why do so many people seem to care if people vape differently than them or for different reasons? What originally started me wondering was people in a vape lounge (customers not employees) got all pissy when they heard the worker there ask me how long it'd been for me since I quite smoking and I told him I've never even smoked a cigarette. Heard them making dumb comments and the guy working asked them to leave,later I mentioned what happened in a FB group and got pretty much the same reaction from the majority of people in it & it turned into a big argument,a few people supporting me (even though I wasn't even arguing so idk why they were bothering) but most ranting about how non smokers who vape are dumb/posers/annoying/etc. Then I started noticing that a lot of people seem to have problems with the way other people choose to vape,like people saying cloud chasing is stupid or people saying that using high nic levels are stupid,etc etc etc. I really don't get it but I am curious if there's a valid reason or if it's just as stupid as people who hate someone with a different music or clothing taste. Which is how I see it at this point. idk maybe I'm just too self absorbed to care what anyone else does (or so I've been told when I've said I couldn't care less how or why other people do what they do and so no one should care why/how I do what I do)
Anyways what's all the fuss about it,why on earth does it matter to anyone?

Well simply I can say

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In my opinion, I hate this idea some people have that vaping is reserved only for those of us who are ex-smokers and that anyone who isn't is just a poser etc.

I mean if vaping is a healthier alternative, then why not just go straight to that instead of bothering with cigarettes and all that nonsense?

As for how people choose to vape, I'd just say whatever works for them and anyone making a fuss about how people vape unessacearly you might as well take no notice and carry on as you were etc.

:)
 

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It's refreshing to see the tone of this discussion here today. 1 to 2 years ago you would have gotten the cold shoulder at best, criticism at worst, from ECFers for taking up vaping as a non-smoker. Some based on fear of regulation (it's coming no matter what we do folks). Some, based on health concerns, i.e. why take up a habit with even a low potential for harm if you don't "need" it to combat an existing addiction. Some of it probably based on vaping being a bit of an exclusive club and non-smokers haven't gone through the proper initiation to gain entrance, although ECFers are generally too cool to let this attitude show. (I'm glad to see ECFers as a group becoming more open-minded.)

It sounds like you ran into some judgmental jerks from the latter group. Being judgmental of others seems to give some people an ego boost from a feeling of being superior. ( And I get to feel superior to the judgmental types by saying this.)

Two ways to deal with this. Grow a thicker skin. I find this hard to do, but it's probably the best route. Easier, at least for me, is too keep what you do pretty much private.

Thank you to the OP for bringing this up, as it caused be to do some critical thinking on the whole "judgement" issue. I intend to do some work on my own attitudes.
 

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My opinion is, what another adult chooses to do with their own body isn't my business.
But, the FDA and many other agencies claim e cigs / vaping attracts those that have no interest in smoking / non / never smokers and minors. Their main points are nicotine dependance, flavors that attract & flavoring chemicals that are hazardous to inhale.
Every non smoker that starts vaping adds another negative statistic / check mark in their " see we're right " column. I think that is why some react poorly to non smokers taking up vaping.

Just me, healthier alternative to smoking or tobacco harm reduction doesn't say much about safety or long term effects.
If you're a non / never smoker why add risks that are easily avoidable,,, because I want to, for fun, the cool factor, the flavor, sweets reduction, like to tinker, because cloudz, my friends are doing it...

Notice the amount of name calling & belittlement in this thread towards anyone that has a differing opinion about the subject.
Seems a lot of folks like to believe their opinion is right those that disagree are wrong, both use similar tactics to ' prove ' their opinion is righter. IMO, both equally narrow minded & silly.
 
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