Really hope this doesn't start an argument but why do people care??

[HauntedMyst]

Ummmm.... yeah, I'm good with that

::Action for all the Illuminati SS::

Subject : Vaslovik identified
Status : Part of the problem. Believes in free vaping and dancing
Cure: Immediate operant conditioning education process recommended
Urgency : Engage on sight - re-educate with extreme prejudice

 

[IanN]

I did not get a chance to read all of this thread but the guy that owns 2 of the vape stores in town has never smoked and vapes 0mg all the time. He just enjoys vaping.

 

[LilWhiteClouder]

Because people are doughnut holes.

Definitely will be using this on people

Some stuff I've been wondering about but don't want to start an argument between anyone,why do so many people seem to care if people vape differently than them or for different reasons? What originally started me wondering was people in a vape lounge (customers not employees) got all pissy when they heard the worker there ask me how long it'd been for me since I quite smoking and I told him I've never even smoked a cigarette. Heard them making dumb comments and the guy working asked them to leave,later I mentioned what happened in a FB group and got pretty much the same reaction from the majority of people in it & it turned into a big argument,a few people supporting me (even though I wasn't even arguing so idk why they were bothering) but most ranting about how non smokers who vape are dumb/posers/annoying/etc. Then I started noticing that a lot of people seem to have problems with the way other people choose to vape,like people saying cloud chasing is stupid or people saying that using high nic levels are stupid,etc etc etc. I really don't get it but I am curious if there's a valid reason or if it's just as stupid as people who hate someone with a different music or clothing taste. Which is how I see it at this point. idk maybe I'm just too self absorbed to care what anyone else does (or so I've been told when I've said I couldn't care less how or why other people do what they do and so no one should care why/how I do what I do)
Anyways what's all the fuss about it,why on earth does it matter to anyone?

F that s in the b, and forget about em. I read somewhere in here that "haters gonna hate". Let them hate cuz they only hate themselves. If vaping makes you happy, vape your brains out. Puff tootles or womp mods. No nic, no problem. I find the taste is better the lower I go in nic.
I made the mistake of taking up smoking because it was cool. I now vape to avoid smoking but I do find it to be cool IMHO. There will be people who pick up vaping because they think it is cool, and that's ok, but hopefully they understand it could be bad for them even with no nic. Though, I new smoking was bad for me and I did it anyway. So, moot point I guess.
Guess the point is, people are going to hate pretty much anything you do and some really want you to know that they hate it. If you enjoy it, either confront them and hopefully they will realize they should keep their cake holes stuffed with cake or laugh at their stupid opinions and vape on.
FEI, I love all vapers, nic or no, Cigalike or 4000+ watt fog machine to the face.

 

[LVixen]

There's a widely held belief that if you vape, and didn't start as a means to quit smoking, then you're doing it because it looks cool - making you a poser.

That's a strange belief for them to adopt, considering that a lot of (if not MOST) smokers initially picked up a cigarette to look cool themselves...Does that mean that they're all posers?

Many of the former don't appreciate that vaping has been adopted by the 'hipster' community. It's merely a trendy hobby for the hipsters, not a life or death situation as it is for them.

Many vaping ex-smokers believe that non-smokers who vape only bring negative attention to the vaping community, resulting in a poor public image, exorbitant taxes, and stifling regulation.

I wonder WHAT in the world gave ANY group the idea that they have exclusive rights to vaping...I mean, what the heck?

I understand that maybe vaping first started as a tobacco harm reduction alternative, and/or a tool for smoking cessation, but I fail to see how that translates to only smokers who are trying to quit should have the right to vape...

I mean, say, Nicorette gum is supposed to be a smoking cessation aide/tool, right? But let's say that there are some non-smokers who absolutely love the experience of chewing Nicorette gum and find it thoroughly enjoyable. Should they NOT be allowed to chew Nicorette gum? Should the smokers start protesting against non-smokers chewing "their" gum? Are the non-smoker nicotine gum lovers bringing negative attention to the smoker-trying-to-quit Nicorette gum chewer community?

That makes no sense to me...I mean, if a non-smoker wants to vape or chew nicotine gum and they're willing to spend their time and money on those activities, and they're prepared to deal with the possible side effects and unknown future consequences of said activities, then by golly, LET THE PEOPLE VAPE!! LOL!

 

[madangus]

I was part of the hexohm fb group for a month. I really like my v2. But oh boy, anytime anyone would say hey... Been 2 months and no response people would just jump down their throats. A really strange mob mentality and people just without much literacy attacking anything bad said about craving. Really strange. I am still in it but it doesn't show up on the news feed. (Maybe irrational but after that and a lot of break posts (though thats maybe the groups core purpose for support) i am looking for an alternate high quality high power mod...

People are judgey, i do think the fear of regulation isn't helping bit mostly people are judgey and that whole winner thing... 1 city has to be best, 1 games console, 1 country etc infinity

 

[DelilahDeMonika]

A simple answer would be elitism. There's a widely held belief that if you vape, and didn't start as a means to quit smoking, then you're doing it because it looks cool - making you a poser.

Elitism or disapproval because you're 'not exactly like me'... These beliefs and behaviors are based on ignorance and/or prejudice. Which we all know is wrong. There are some legitimate concerns though, at least from their POV.

There's a lot of fear and anxiety in the vaping community surrounding government regulations. If some of these misinformed (or bought off) politicians got their way these regulations would shutter many of the non-Big Tobacco vendors, which would be a travesty for the vaping community.

Many of the attacks made by politicians and organizations claim that vaping entices your average VNS (vaping non-smoker) to start a detrimental behavior (oral fixation), and that many of the VNS start vaping nicotine when they otherwise wouldn't. This gives the attack groups a strategical advantage, especially when the 'do it for the kids' platitude is used as a rallying cry.

There are many questions surrounding the science of vaping; it's worlds better for a smoker to quit and to start vaping, but it's a step backwards for a non-smoker to start vaping.

Vaping ex-smokers tend to be older than vaping non-smokers, so there will be a disconnect between the two groups. Many of the former don't appreciate that vaping has been adopted by the 'hipster' community. It's merely a trendy hobby for the hipsters, not a life or death situation as it is for them.

Many ex-smokers believe that vaping wouldn't be as scrutinized nearly as much if vaping was only practiced as a means to quit smoking. IMO these people underestimate a) Big Tobacco and their lobbying arm, and b) politicians with their hands out.

I personally think the more people that vape the better. It gives us a larger community. More vaping sales, more competition, better technology, better prices. It gives us a larger voting bloc, which is crucial in the fight against lobbying resources. BUT...

The only thing I ask (and this goes for vapers of all backgrounds) is that they take it seriously. Vape responsibly and with decorum. Stay informed. Educate others. Join CASAA and similar advocacy groups, because there are people who are fighting to take our vaping rights away from all of us. This not only diminishes our individual rights as a whole, but is literally a life and death situation for millions of people.

As long as the above guidelines are followed then I could honestly gives two $&!#$ about why someone started vaping.

TL;DR Many vaping ex-smokers believe that non-smokers who vape only bring negative attention to the vaping community, resulting in a poor public image, exorbitant taxes, and stifling regulation.

Replying to your comment bc it combines what a few other people have said and there's too many to reply to each.
The first one,about thinking it's cool is the assumption that as someone who's never smoked only does it because they think it's cool is funny to me. I don't see anything cool or not cool about it,it's just fun & I love shopping so it gives me one more reason to shop. I mean yeah,a huge cloud looks cool but it's definitely not a reason to start(or what I try to do when I vape) I saw friends doing that way before I started and it didn't make me wanna start. I think I said but I'm not sure that my friend had some kinda dessert flavor and it smelled good so I tried it and liked it,bought my own stuff after that and enjoyed messing around with different mods and stuff. Plus like I also think I said it helps me not complulsivley binge eat which is a huge plus for me.
The worry about it being taken away/harshly regulated makes sense but I don't think non smokers doing it would be the biggest issue,I think it's the people with no manners or concern for other people. And like you said,the more people who do it the more support it has and the more people willing to defend it. Yeah,sure it didn't stop me from smoking but it does stop me from buying tons of food to binge/purge on and I know I'm not the only one bc that has been mentioned multiple times on a different forum I'm on(which is completely not a vaping forum,totally different topic but it is talked about pretty widely among the members there as a way to not eat as much) and whether vaping is healthier than binge eating might be questionable (I personally think it is but who knows) there's no doubt that it's much healthier than purging all those binges. Regular & prolonged purging leads to all kinds of life threatening health risks,serious heart problems or heart attack/failure,potassium deficiency, dehydration, blood issues(too tired to write a list of the specifics) extreme weight loss,kidney/liver failure, osteoporosis,electrolyte imbalance,& that's not even counting the fact that all of those health issues are also combined with serious mental issues,depression/anxiety/etc and can result in death or life long health consequences,the list literally goes on & on & but those are just a few that came to my mind first.(just look up health risks of eating disorders & weigh the risks of vaping compared with the risks of long term eating disorders and you'll get my point) So in my opinion if it helps reduce those kinds of behaviors in even the slightest way while its technically not the same as starting to quit smoking it's still reducing harmful behaviors which is what vaping was originally meant for.

 

[DelilahDeMonika]

Huum,..Forgive me but I'm trying to wrap my head around those comments without sounding condescending,..or doubtful about your sincerity,..but I have some valid questions I'm sure has popped into someone else's brain parts.

So no nicotine but a vaper?!? Never had nicotine in any form,..chew,..dip,..pipe,..cigar,..or cigs?!?

What could possibly be the appeal?!?

Maybe like I first thought,.the gear?!?
In that case it pretty well blows my mind why someone would spend all that time and money learning coil builds. Trying this or that mod and atty. Blowing through -0-mg juices as expensive as those are anyway.

Is it the cool factor?!?

IDK?!? What could possibly be cool about mimicking mamma's tea pot?!?

Could it be the rings then?!? Yes I bet it's the rings!




Oh,..can I blame Rip Trippers?!? I knew that guy must be infecting the brains of the youths!

I suspect it is the gear though..I can't think of anything else that it could be. I have some pretty cool gear myself:

Whatever makes ya happy I recon.

Not sure if that's an actual question or just a reply to make a statement but if it is a question,some of it I already answered in the last post I replied to so I'll just assume you were asking and answer the parts of your question I did address in my last reply. Nope,no nicotine in any form,ever. I get asked a lot "so you've never smoked a cigarette,like not even a puff?" (Not just from people who vape,from basically anyone who's ever found out that I've never tried it & people always seem shocked which is weird to me but whatever. Weird from the ones who aren't asking bc I vape,just shocked that I've never smoked a cigarette.) but yeah,no. The appeal part is in the above post. The gear part at first I really couldn't have cared less bc I didn't know the difference,I'd seen people,with different devices but I didn't know anything about it & the bigger gear was very visually unappealing to me until I realized how much better it is,it's still not too appealing but it obviously works way better so it doesn't bother me. The spending thing is actually somewhat of a plus,I love shopping whether it's in a store or online so it's nice to buy stuff that ill actually use since most of what I buy (clothes,purses,makeup,etc) just ends up getting left in the bag or hung up and worn maybe once if ever. The vape stuff I buy unless I don't like it I get a lot of use out of it. Spending money on juices doesn't bother me bc its something I enjoy and I don't think anyone should ever be bothered by spending money on something they get enjoyment out of.

 

[Mad Scientist]

One of the comments about the battery safety nazis got me thinking . . . The issue seems to be if someone builds their whiz bang triple twisted Hedrix Fender coil and puts it on a mech without really knowing what they are doing, the battery might vent and the mod explode. Ok, that's on them. But then the battery safety nazis say, well if you do that it will attract the government's attention and the government might do bad things to everyone.

Folks, if that's your fear you don't need to stop people from doing stupid things; you need to stop your government from doing even stupider things. The old saying that the people should not fear the government but the government should fear the people never went out of style. I just wish the child indoctrination centers, oh I mean public schools, taught kids about the real meaning of freedom and how it is eroded. As it stands, it has become impossible to vote ignorant grandstanders out of office. Most of the public catches a few soundbites on the news and doesn't bother to educate themselves about the people they vote for or support. Hence, politicians just play to a good soundbite. What happened to our "free country"?

Ok, rant over lol.

 

[Sirius]

Makes sense for the people who aren't being nasty about it,the ones getting their panties in a twist still make no sense. Not sure if you're asking me why I started when I didn't smoke or if that's just part of your example but I started bc a friend of mine does and I tried hers,liked the taste and bought my own then started having fun with it buying juices. It didn't cause a nicotine issue bc I almost never buy anything with nicotine in it,if I do it's never more than 3mg or I get really sick & light headed. Plus I eat a ton and when I say a ton I mean well over 3,500 cals a day and vaping helps me eat less junk food. I figure even though some of the juices might not be the healthiest thing in the world they're still better for me than binging on thousands of calories of junk food.

Sorry I missed this post @DelilahDeMonika .... Makes a bit more sense to me now ty.

 

[cindycated]

Lol it is me but if you saw me in person you wouldn't worry about that,I'm 5'2 & 95-98lbs so I'm about as far from physically intimidating as you can get.

OMG how do you eat 3500 calories and stay so small?*
Nonsmokers vaping isn't very common, but it's nothing new either - I hear models do it all the time. It's just unfortunate that you ran into ignorant, immature clowns that wanna ruin it for the rest of us. Don't even give it another thought.

I started vaping to quit smoking, but now I only vape as a snack, so I guess I'm just as bad as you now.

*yikes, sorry - didn't read ahead.

 

[Mad Scientist]

OMG how do you eat 3500 calories and stay so small?
Nonsmokers vaping isn't very common, but it's nothing new either - I hear models do it all the time. It's just unfortunate that you ran into ignorant, immature clowns that wanna ruin it for the rest of us. Don't even give it another thought.

I started vaping to quit smoking, but now I only vape as a snack, so I guess I'm just as bad as you now.

I'm not sure but I think "ignorant, immature clowns" is getting towards personal attack type stuff. I thought the point of the thread was to ask why differing points of view lead to that type of thing lol.

And yes, I am guilty of the same often enough.

 

[cindycated]

I'm not sure but I think "ignorant, immature clowns" is getting towards personal attack type stuff. I thought the point of the thread was to ask why differing points of view lead to that type of thing lol.

Attacking or judging people without getting all the facts straight, to me, is kinda ignorant and immature. To me, her reason for vaping is perfectly reasonable, and not at all new.

 

[Mad Scientist]

I wish to heartily agree with you. There have been a great many threads and posts belaboring the cloud chasing issue and focusing on that activity drawing unwanted and negative attention to vapers as a whole, and I think that's an activity best pursued in a place and time that will not aggravate people.

While cloud chasing doesn't interest me, many are quite passionately involved in it, and I have no problem with that, provided they do it responsibly.

I don't know why but now I'm addicted to this thread lol. I've seen time and again "don't cloud chase in public places because that will get it banned, blah blah." I don't do it and I think it's rude but I also think it's on whoever is offended or bothered by it to step up and make their expectations clear to the people who are doing it, same as for any rude behavior. It's then on the people who are doing it to decide if they want to continue to be rude or civil. It's like someone wearing bad cologne -- I don't like it, but it's on me to either avoid the wearer or make them aware of my expectations. I'm not going to run to government to get a ban on cologne.

We've become conditioned to accept a level of government control where every deviation from some imaginary "norm" is regulated out of existence.

 

[Tmg666]

 

[ReigntheGamer]

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I was watching that last night, thanks for the lol this morning.

 

[skoony]

That's a strange belief for them to adopt, considering that a lot of (if not MOST) smokers initially picked up a cigarette to look cool themselves...Does that mean that they're all posers?

you are part right. the single most effective influence that results in
underage smoking is peer pressure.
the second most influencing factor is if your parent or parents smoked.
the flavors,the advertising have little if any effect. this has been proven
because when they eliminated flavors(6% of the market share excluding regular and menthol)
there was no reduction in usage in underage smokers.
the same with advertising.when advertising restrictions were
introduced our buddy Joe Camel had 30% market share in the
underage category. after the restrictions no decrease in cigrette
usage in the underage category.
so why the steady decline over the years? the message.
smoking is bad for you. i am not addressing if smoking was,
or is is bad as we have been led to believe. i am just
saying kids started believing it.
over time as less kids started smoking and more adults quit
or didn't start in the first place and we are right back to square one.
kids now days do not smoke because of (if you have been paying attention
you know the answer) peer pressure.(the antithesis of being cool)
the second most influencing factor,their parents don't smoke.

regards
mike

 

[tj99959]

Funny, I was waiting for a friend to get to work at a vape shop yesterday. The guy working the counter thought 50 watts was low wattage vaping, and had never heard of someone vaping at 7-8 watts. About that time my friend walks in (the counter guys boss BTW) vaping a Billet Box. All I could do was laugh.

The point I'm expressing is that we all seem to be victims of what was popular when we first started vaping to some degree. I know I am.

I've tried the sub ohm - mechanical vaping, (really got into it for a while) tried the high wattage box mod style of vaping, and on and on. But, it seams like I always end up back vaping about a 2 ohm coil at about 3.7-4v. (~8 watts) Which is right where I started.

 

[Sirius]

you are part right. the single most effective influence that results in
underage smoking is peer pressure.
the second most influencing factor is if your parent or parents smoked.
the flavors,the advertising have little if any effect. this has been proven
because when they eliminated flavors(6% of the market share excluding regular and menthol)
there was no reduction in usage in underage smokers.
the same with advertising.when advertising restrictions were
introduced our buddy Joe Camel had 30% market share in the
underage category. after the restrictions no decrease in cigrette
usage in the underage category.
so why the steady decline over the years? the message.
smoking is bad for you. i am not addressing if smoking was,
or is is bad as we have been led to believe. i am just
saying kids started believing it.
over time as less kids started smoking and more adults quit
or didn't start in the first place and we are right back to square one.
kids now days do not smoke because of (if you have been paying attention
you know the answer) peer pressure.(the antithesis of being cool)
the second most influencing factor,their parents don't smoke.

regards
mike

That damn Joe Camel is the one that started all the trouble in the first place with the Kidstapo!
If I ever find him I'm gonna bite in right in the tookus!

Huum,..vaping helps bulimia?!? Who's a thunk it?!?

Interesting and I have read that vaping helps with those trying to loose weight as well.

It sure does nothing to curb my water intake though.

 

[LilWhiteClouder]

Replying to your comment bc it combines what a few other people have said and there's too many to reply to each.
The first one,about thinking it's cool is the assumption that as someone who's never smoked only does it because they think it's cool is funny to me. I don't see anything cool or not cool about it,it's just fun & I love shopping so it gives me one more reason to shop. I mean yeah,a huge cloud looks cool but it's definitely not a reason to start(or what I try to do when I vape) I saw friends doing that way before I started and it didn't make me wanna start. I think I said but I'm not sure that my friend had some kinda dessert flavor and it smelled good so I tried it and liked it,bought my own stuff after that and enjoyed messing around with different mods and stuff. Plus like I also think I said it helps me not complulsivley binge eat which is a huge plus for me.
The worry about it being taken away/harshly regulated makes sense but I don't think non smokers doing it would be the biggest issue,I think it's the people with no manners or concern for other people. And like you said,the more people who do it the more support it has and the more people willing to defend it. Yeah,sure it didn't stop me from smoking but it does stop me from buying tons of food to binge/purge on and I know I'm not the only one bc that has been mentioned multiple times on a different forum I'm on(which is completely not a vaping forum,totally different topic but it is talked about pretty widely among the members there as a way to not eat as much) and whether vaping is healthier than binge eating might be questionable (I personally think it is but who knows) there's no doubt that it's much healthier than purging all those binges. Regular & prolonged purging leads to all kinds of life threatening health risks,serious heart problems or heart attack/failure,potassium deficiency, dehydration, blood issues(too tired to write a list of the specifics) extreme weight loss,kidney/liver failure, osteoporosis,electrolyte imbalance,& that's not even counting the fact that all of those health issues are also combined with serious mental issues,depression/anxiety/etc and can result in death or life long health consequences,the list literally goes on & on & but those are just a few that came to my mind first.(just look up health risks of eating disorders & weigh the risks of vaping compared with the risks of long term eating disorders and you'll get my point) So in my opinion if it helps reduce those kinds of behaviors in even the slightest way while its technically not the same as starting to quit smoking it's still reducing harmful behaviors which is what vaping was originally meant for.

If vaping helps the binge eaters who purge to curb that horrible need, doctors should prescribe it! I knew it was bad but your description makes it scary!
Vaping works a little differently on me as I tend to eat more after vaping. Especially when I got into dessert flavors. Some where/are so good I want to eat the real things.

@skoony Very interesting read! Thanks for sharing. I really enjoy the wide range and thought invoking responses on this forum. Thanks be to OP for the interesting post topic!

 

[93gc40]

I'm afraid this is just human nature, not really a reflection on vaping, just a reflection of self minded idiots.

Humans are HERD animals....... They do as HERD animals do.