Received email from NJoy just now... kinda worried

[Vicks Vap-oh-Yeah]

What I do not see here concerns me much more. That being that a large company like njoy is not seeking judical review like SE is. With their capital on hand, one would think that they would seek review by the courts to protect thier interests. The lack of that advancement is very troubling --------Sun

The ecig is not the only product line njoy carries - they can't claim irreparable harm from embargo'd shipments.....SE's livelyhood DEPENDS on their shipments getting through.

There's the difference between the 2.

 

[Sun Vaporer]

I'm not at all famlar with the way things work in the US, but it sounds like it would be worth to email NJOY to find out their reasoning on this, and suggest they do so if they haven't thought of it (if it not too late to do so).

Kinabaloo---they could file a Motion right now to Intervene in the SE case if they so choose and they must know that. Problem is that thy have not. If they try to file a seperate Complaint for relief, the FDA would just move to consolidate it with SE which would be granted--why they have chosen to sit on there rights is a mystery at best---mabe they have concluded that it is already a done deal with the FDA---who knows, but they should at least get in the case and try-------Sun

 

[kinabaloo]

Kinabaloo---they could file a Motion right now to Intervene in the SE case if they so choose and they must know that. Problem is that thy have not. If they try to file a seperate Complaint for relief, the FDA would just move to consolidate it with SE which would be granted--why they have chosen to sit on there rights is a mystery at best---mabe they have concluded that it is already a done deal with the FDA---who knows, but they should at least get in the case and try-------Sun

I hope you tell them that. I would do it, but just don't really understand the system over there.

And how about Ruyan America - what are they doing/thinking? Anyone know?

 

[Sun Vaporer]

The ECig is not the only product line NJoy carries - they can't claim irreparable harm from embargo'd shipments.....SE's livelyhood DEPENDS on their shipments getting through.

There's the difference between the 2.

Vicks--that is not the standard--the standard appiles to any division of corporation. If NJOY can not get product then that part of their business including the name brand and reckognition are gone as well as the patient rights they have clamied--so if they so decided, they do have standing to intervene--Sun

 

[eplanet]

There are a bunch of other threads on the ECF relating to this. Not to startle any one who doesn't know, a lot is happening right now. Your voices must be heard now! I love my e-cig and do not want that to not be an option and I am sure everyone here feels the same way.
Our voices must be heard.
all e-cig users lets UNITE NOW!!!
Tobacco tax goes up June 1st and things are happening.

Peace

 

[Apatel]

I personally think N'Joy is trying to save money by having US and SE do the work for them. They'll let that play out before they start spending money to get their products. They DON'T care about us, just their bottom line.

 

[Rickgren]

Njoys Attorneys should have petitioned the court to enter the Smoking Every where lawsuit as a Amicus Curie Party. It appears that Njoy wants their costumers to do all of the heavy lifting.

Can't agree more. I just read the court docket. (not good with links google it please) I don't even like smokeing everywhere (every stand I've been to is rude) but THEY are doing something about it. All vendors should get behind them. from what I read and seen they all go thru the same thing with their product being held up and such.

 

[eplanet]

I personally think N'Joy is trying to save money by having US and SE do the work for them. They'll let that play out before they start spending money to get their products. They DON'T care about us, just their bottom line.

N'Joy spends about $40k a month on lawyer fee's, It is what i have heard, can not verify. this is an overall thing that is hitting all suppliers, big and small. What ever support you can give will help the industry as a whole, this is no joke, maybe the "big guys" do only care about their bottom line, but if these devices are outright banned, we will all feel it. The time to act is now!

Peace

 

[minimoves2000]

Yep no time to fusss about who helps who. If this get banned we are all screwed. Make your calls and tell Washington how you feel.

 

[LaceyUnderall]

Yep no time to fusss about who helps who. If this get banned we are all screwed. Make your calls and tell Washington how you feel.

(I was looking for a hand clapping smilie but couldn't find one so "rock and roll" will have to do!)

 

[katink]

And for Pete's sake, can't Smokey Joe put up a sticky in front of everyones nose that logs in here, THAT there is a fight going on and that we need all hands on deck?? If even our own members manage to miss out completely on what is happening right here and now, with the many threads about it... then that will be the only way to get those members to look a bit further then just the few threads they are apparantly looking at (I hope...!!)

 

[mamu]

From the sounds of the emails etc.. I've seen and received, they're ONLY out to protect themselves, they're not wanting to join forces or anything, and I think thats wrong, they want all our help to get them out of the dwang, other than that they never would have helped us out!

I think we all can understand why they're recruiting help, but I think a lot of the suppliers are trying to recruit help. I received an email similar to the NJoy email several weeks ago from Phil at e-smokeytreats.

 

[Di]

Why are all the suppliers sitting on their hands.....

why haven't you all attempted to join the SE action,
why haven't you all tried to get it to a Class action.....

what are you all waiting for...........

Di .......

 

[Doctor Girlfriend]

The more people we can get on board here, the better. I have several friends who were interested in vaping that just hadn't made the jump yet. One happened to ask me about making an order and when I told her what was going on she immediately asked me for our two state Senator's numbers and address.
I spoke to some other friends, and they're all calling and writing now as well.

Tell a friend, and tell another. We need all the hep we can get.

 

[Angela]

And for Pete's sake, can't Smokey Joe put up a sticky in front of everyones nose that logs in here, THAT there is a fight going on and that we need all hands on deck??

I am falimiar with this forum's software, and SJ could send out an email to ALL regsitered members with info and asking them to write / or whatever action is wanted, etc.

 

[BigLance]

I received the NJOY emails as well. I used their products as my first e-cig for a while, but have since moved to other brands.

I admire them for making an effort to rally us as we need some direction from the big-boys in the e-cig market. I work for a major wholesale club that resells NJOYs on our website (or at least the cartridges at this point) I have spoken directly with our buyer who works with NJOY closely. She tells me that NJOY (or rather their parent company, Sottera, Inc. based in Scottsdale, Ariz., ) was formed by a group of lawyers (I thought she mentioned 5 in all).

Our company chose to resell their products based on the work they had done (when we started to carry them 3 months ago) and are doing now to try to sell them legally and with the cooperation of government authorities. Assuming the information she had is correct, I think they may be one of the companies that can have the greatest impact fighting or working with the government.

I'm glad they are doing what they can. And, of course it is in the name of profit, that's what all non-profit companies do, try to make money. I wish them luck in their (and our) fight and am glad to have them on board.

BTW: I did call my senators and send them emails, (my mom even did it and a friend, both who don't smoke, because their glad I abandoned analogs)

If you haven't contacted your senators, signed a petition, or anything yet, then please do so right away! What are you waiting for?

 

[jcoppers]

I see several questions about why Njoy has not jumped on board with SE. I have also noticed several people complain about SE's desire to have the ecig compared to a tobacco product. I also read here that if Njoy joined or started a new file it would be "bunched together" with SE's. Perhaps they are waiting to see how SE prevails? If SE loses Njoy can come in and fight from a different angle? Just a thought.

 

[Faethe]

I totally agree we're all in this together, the last email or one of them from Njoy they were specifically asking to release NJOY shipments, or something implying that. (when I got to that part I stopped reading)

Anyhoo - I guess they should have put some of all those dollars into a good law firm, we can all do our bit, but they took a lot of $$ from a lot of people.

From the sounds of the emails etc.. I've seen and received, they're ONLY out to protect themselves, they're not wanting to join forces or anything, and I think thats wrong, they want all our help to get them out of the dwang, other than that they never would have helped us out!

I think this is the 'Holy crap' email of the week again. I don't know why but once a week someone gets an amazing email from Njoy or God or someone and it ends up here. I'm not faulting the poster. I would just be skeptical of anything that relates to imminent impending doom. I have no idea how this is but it seems like someone is trying to stir up panic in order to spurr sales. Not just Njoy.

OK, right - like this is a serious issue because the FDA does need addressed concerning e-cigs. We do need to petition and keep a watch on what the media has to say on all this. We do need to write our congress people and be active in promoting these if we want to keep them.

It seems like someone has tapped into that as well as the tendency for people on this forum to hoard like mad whenever an email like this goes around. I don't know if Njoy's shipments have been seized or not. It's pretty easy to find out if they have through the FDA website.

Njoy sells on Amazon, and it does seem like they are out. But also take into consideration that ecigs are undergoing something of a Rennaisance on TV news atm. The more people that find out about these things and start using them, the more likely shortages will pop up.

There are Njoys for sale on Amazon through different distributors, but not Njoy. It also appears that Amazon is buying them up and selling them themselves, not through a third party vendor.

I can not express to you how much influence Amazon has on Markets. If they are investing in buying these things, then it's possible they are selling thousands, right now. And believe me, messing with Amazon is not something any government takes lightly. The loyers at Amazon haz mad skilz.

 

[Instead]

Njoys Attorneys should have petitioned the court to enter the Smoking Every where lawsuit as a Amicus Curie Party. It appears that Njoy wants their costumers to do all of the heavy lifting.

NJoy Enters FDA vs Electronic Cigarette Lawsuit | e-Cigarettes - Electronic Cigarettes

Don't ask for proof, cause I don't have it. However, I will make a large wager if anyone is interested.

 

[Kayen]

I have read the court papers they filed and it would seem that we are all in trouble. They are claiming that the nicotine is derived from tobacco, therefore making a tobacco product.... This statement has two unfortunate drawn backs, (1) as a tobacco product it would would allow the Feds to collect taxes on them, But more importantly (2) you would not be allowed to smoke them anywhere that is a tobacco free zone or in most places a smoke free zone. An awful lot of the laws which ban smoking actually ban all tobacco products in the definitions sections. Since SE is claiming these to be a tobacco product is might cut back the places we would be allowed to smoke them.
I know I will no longer be able to sit at my desk at work and smoke!