If cherry is the light one then that's what it'll be. (Matches my first one.)
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Red Sky Mods - Part Two
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There are examples of both types on this page. There is always some variance, bit darker, bit lighter but basically they usually look as pictured.
Desk Caddies
I just got some Mahogany that is somewhat darker than usual, I'm actually having to stain the pegs darker to match, but it is still generic african mahogany.
Good morning me 'earties!
Yeah, I do hope it fills a need by other box mod owners, now I just have to figure out how to let people know. I'm constantly getting E-Mail's and PM's from people saying "I've been looking for something like this for a while, but didn't know anyone made it".
I've said it before, but without the kindness of people spreading the word and showing off their purchases I don't think I'd still be doing what I do.
More competition every day and they are using all the lessons learned by us over the last few years and offering box and tube mods with proven designs and have the staff and capability of making lots of them. I'm really not sure how long good old RSM can keep going.
I'm trying hard to increase the desk caddy lineup as I use it to pay the bills between batches and let's me keep going, but again, getting the word out is difficult.
Any ideas?
Yeah, I do hope it fills a need by other box mod owners, now I just have to figure out how to let people know. I'm constantly getting E-Mail's and PM's from people saying "I've been looking for something like this for a while, but didn't know anyone made it".
I've said it before, but without the kindness of people spreading the word and showing off their purchases I don't think I'd still be doing what I do.
More competition every day and they are using all the lessons learned by us over the last few years and offering box and tube mods with proven designs and have the staff and capability of making lots of them. I'm really not sure how long good old RSM can keep going.
I'm trying hard to increase the desk caddy lineup as I use it to pay the bills between batches and let's me keep going, but again, getting the word out is difficult.
Any ideas?
Hmmm... maybe a longer running contest? Or another design change? vaping trends change so quickly it can be difficult to keep up. I just saw a design in a metal box mod that seems to be gaining popularity - it's called the Billet Box - if that could be done in wood - I think it would look really nice and likely be quite popular. Nobody makes a wood tube mod that I know of... if that's even possible. Custom wood overlays for popular tube mods? Again, don't know if that's possible either. I will certainly continue to show off my RSM's to friends and forumers. (made up a word!) But you definitely need more than me doing that. Also, if you make something unique that people like, and it's a bit difficult to get a hold of... that will make people want it more. Humans are weird.
Happy Monday maties. To address keeping RSM afloat,IMHO, the beefing up of the caddy line was a good move. I think that RSM is moving in a good direction with staying with the gaping evolution with the addition of the DNA. Vapers are visually in tuned though. Maybe DNA 20 with the output display would be a good idea ( don't really know the cost effectiveness would go) but a good idea nonetheless. Also the custom mod list has been very large the past couple batches, which means that the people drawn to the website are left with nothing to choose from. If you keep the custom list to a minimum ( for the hardcore RSMers) and have some on the website for the casual passersbys may be a good idea. And lastly, even for the current crew, don't be affraid to take your RSM in the public. I often hear of people having their RSM not seeing the light of day. Remember these are well built and can withstand the daily grind. I do own 10, that without saying, each and everyone sees the light of day. And I am a Hawai'i trucker. I don't drop them at all because of the sheer design. And I always get comments on them and point them out to the website and ECF thread. I know it was long winded but I am RSM and it would really be ashamed if anyone would miss the boat if Cappy puts the RSM in dry dock for good.
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Pchela is right, funny how people want something more when it's difficult to get. To me, most tubes look pretty much the same (no offence meant) but as soon as one comes out in a limited quantity, it becomes the unicorn and everyone needs one.
To me, cappy should really goes on doing what he does best...wood boxes. Adding some more woods, especially for the bodies (here I go again!
), and maybe adding some fancy options, going back to engravings maybe? The DNA20 is ok, and sure is useful for people vaping over 11-12W, but I honestly think (having tried one for about 2 months) that it's not a game changer. Now, I'm not saying that if we could find one in the RSM DNA I wouldn't be happy about it, fancy screen, useful functions and all, gives added value for sure (but again to me far from being vital, just my opinion, the major problem being that it needs a hell lot of power and kills a battery faster than I can eat my mum's apple pie)
The rest is up to us all, RSM fans. Show off your ladies anytime you can, and let people know that Cappy does some awesome Caddies.
Edit: Did I mention that I could kill for another version of the 5.1? What would you guys think of a Cruiser being transformed in a VV, 5.1 style?
To me, cappy should really goes on doing what he does best...wood boxes. Adding some more woods, especially for the bodies (here I go again!
), and maybe adding some fancy options, going back to engravings maybe? The DNA20 is ok, and sure is useful for people vaping over 11-12W, but I honestly think (having tried one for about 2 months) that it's not a game changer. Now, I'm not saying that if we could find one in the RSM DNA I wouldn't be happy about it, fancy screen, useful functions and all, gives added value for sure (but again to me far from being vital, just my opinion, the major problem being that it needs a hell lot of power and kills a battery faster than I can eat my mum's apple pie)The rest is up to us all, RSM fans. Show off your ladies anytime you can, and let people know that Cappy does some awesome Caddies.
Edit: Did I mention that I could kill for another version of the 5.1? What would you guys think of a Cruiser being transformed in a VV, 5.1 style?
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You could ask that question in the form of a contest maybe? "What would you like to see from RSM?"
Let it run a while, have gift certificates for prizes, $5-$10-$20 for implemented ideas.
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I do like the form of 5.1, I find I tend to use it almost as much as the DNA destroyer. Would love a DNA 20 inset tank mod in that form factor. It also lends itself to inlays and engravings more naturally as well, and I'm a sucker for inlays, so classy!
Let it run a while, have gift certificates for prizes, $5-$10-$20 for implemented ideas.
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I do like the form of 5.1, I find I tend to use it almost as much as the DNA destroyer. Would love a DNA 20 inset tank mod in that form factor. It also lends itself to inlays and engravings more naturally as well, and I'm a sucker for inlays, so classy!
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The 5.1 was a great design. I wouldn't mind another one. Maybe consider making a retro batch?
Just ordered the new MT in mahogany...looks fantastic. Now I just need a few RSMs . Cart before the horse. I hope to start with a Cruiser
Is there an approximate date for the next pre orders?
. Cart before the horse. I hope to start with a Cruiser Is there an approximate date for the next pre orders?
As a relative newbie to RSM may I pass along my impressions when trying to buy my first one. Having heard about them from some unremembered source, (forums, reviews, Google search, etc.), I almost immediately went to the website. I came away knowing little more than I did before visiting it.
As with many other facets of life we sometimes fall into the trap of thinking that everyone else knows as much about a subject that we do and when discussing that subject fail to explain the basics. I learned that there were a variety of models in the Red Sky line but someone fairly new to vaping really would have been left wondering what the differences in the models actually did and which ones would fit their needs, (vaping styles), or which one should be bought if it was intended as a gift for an ex-smoking spouse or loved one.
I couldn't easily and quickly find any area of the website that explained the FAB, (features, advantages and benefits), of owning a RSM over any other mod, be it the physical design, durability of construction, feed systems or the emotional satisfaction of being a custom/semi-custom wood mod owner.
I found no sense of urgency to own one, no sense of jumping on the band wagon which is a strong human trait. (I draw your attention to the stock market where the majority of people invest in a given stock during it's last third of gains. The band wagon may not always be right but its allure is always irresistible to the masses.)
One way, and a very important way, to elicit a sense of urgency and desire to belong is through customer reviews, be it on the website of forum type exposure. (It serves no useful purpose to preach to the choir so reviews or glowing comments on a supplier's forum, while ego boosting, does nothing to convert the uninitiated.) New visitors to a website pay attention to reviews, they come away armed with information as to if the considered equipment or service, 9mods and customer service in this case), will fit their needs and desires as well as the comfort that they will not be taking on the roll of guinea pig since others have taken the plunge and come away satisfied.
I agree, wholeheartedly, with rtrain... a 'FOR SALE' inventory on the website would certainly do more to attract potential RSM converts than a custom order buyer. Most non-essential and non-large ticket item buying is a combination of opportunity and impulse. That's why retail stores have large picture windows displaying inventory and tabloid magazines as well as candy are displayed at the checkout counter. Those who want a custom RSM already know about RSM and probably already own one or more. It certainly doesn't have to be an either/or situation, a combination of 'for sale' mods and a 'custom order' option could be incorporated on the website. Order times for custom mods would probably be extended somewhat but would that substantially effect sales of custom order? Many who feel that they don't want to wait for that special wood would simply rationalize to themselves and settle on an inventory model, or buy an inventory model to tide them over and still order a custom model. Vehicle dealerships do it everyday... if you don't like the selection of trucks they have parked on the lot you simply order exactly what you want, knowing that you're going to pay mare and have a wait of 2 to 3 months. (You may say to yourself that you would never do that but there are thousands of people who do it every single day.)
There is a very old business adage; Something terrible happens when you don't advertise... NOTHING. If you invent a miracle pill that lets you eat anything you want and still lose weight all you've done is wasted your time if no one knows about it. Advertising can be very expensive and very complicated and still be ineffective, or it can be inexpensive and simple and be very effective. I wintered in Tampa for 13 years, my business partner and I were the resident artists at LazyDays RV. We put custom, air brush murals on motor homes, along with other, smaller works of custom art. At a cost of $1500 and up one would not think of our work as an 'impulse purchase'. As it turns out nothing could be further from the truth. By conducting 2 art seminars a week to a captive audience on LazyDays property we convinced people to not only part with their money but also 2 1/2 days of their time while we completed the work. For 13 years we did 5 custom murals per week. People are just waiting to be sold something... you just have to get in front of them and give them a reason to buy your product or service rather than something else.
Vapers are becoming a captive audience, much the same as the motor home community was. They are either just entering the world of vaping and are searching out something that will keep them off cigarettes or they're experienced vapers and are now in the race to stay ahead of their fellow vapers by having the latest and greatest. It certainly seems that RSM, not even considering future models, fills the bill on both counts.
I suspect that the middle Florida hosts various vape meets. The privilege, (rent), to set up a table is usually not prohibitive and the exposure at the event, and subsequent word of mouth can start the proverbial snowball effect. Several inventory mods for sale on site, a small TV running a continuous instructional loop and someone standing behind a table to answer questions, demonstrate the product and take orders can have a tremendous return on investment... a very small initial investment.
Let us not forget the Florida State Fair at the fairgrounds. A couple hundred thousand people pass through there in a week's time. Table space privilege, (rent), is not exorbitant, (prices vary depending on the building you're in) and every person there is looking for something unique to spend their money on. Just think about how many years they've been selling Ginsu knives, artificial chamois and beef jerky. It takes but a phone call to inquire about costs and if vaping demonstrations would be allowed indoors. May take a drive to the fairgrounds to demonstrate to the powers that be what vaping is but Bradenton is only a hop skip and a jump away.
Are there enough vapers and potential vapers out there to make a personal appearance worthwhile? The recently held Vapefest 2013, (or what ever they called it), in the Chicago area had over 1600 attendees... NOT COUNTING THE VENDORS.
Well, that's my 2 cents, and I realize it's not worth that much.
Now I have to go to the site and order my new 5 slot desk caddy... in CHERRY.
Jack
As with many other facets of life we sometimes fall into the trap of thinking that everyone else knows as much about a subject that we do and when discussing that subject fail to explain the basics. I learned that there were a variety of models in the Red Sky line but someone fairly new to vaping really would have been left wondering what the differences in the models actually did and which ones would fit their needs, (vaping styles), or which one should be bought if it was intended as a gift for an ex-smoking spouse or loved one.
I couldn't easily and quickly find any area of the website that explained the FAB, (features, advantages and benefits), of owning a RSM over any other mod, be it the physical design, durability of construction, feed systems or the emotional satisfaction of being a custom/semi-custom wood mod owner.
I found no sense of urgency to own one, no sense of jumping on the band wagon which is a strong human trait. (I draw your attention to the stock market where the majority of people invest in a given stock during it's last third of gains. The band wagon may not always be right but its allure is always irresistible to the masses.)
One way, and a very important way, to elicit a sense of urgency and desire to belong is through customer reviews, be it on the website of forum type exposure. (It serves no useful purpose to preach to the choir so reviews or glowing comments on a supplier's forum, while ego boosting, does nothing to convert the uninitiated.) New visitors to a website pay attention to reviews, they come away armed with information as to if the considered equipment or service, 9mods and customer service in this case), will fit their needs and desires as well as the comfort that they will not be taking on the roll of guinea pig since others have taken the plunge and come away satisfied.
I agree, wholeheartedly, with rtrain... a 'FOR SALE' inventory on the website would certainly do more to attract potential RSM converts than a custom order buyer. Most non-essential and non-large ticket item buying is a combination of opportunity and impulse. That's why retail stores have large picture windows displaying inventory and tabloid magazines as well as candy are displayed at the checkout counter. Those who want a custom RSM already know about RSM and probably already own one or more. It certainly doesn't have to be an either/or situation, a combination of 'for sale' mods and a 'custom order' option could be incorporated on the website. Order times for custom mods would probably be extended somewhat but would that substantially effect sales of custom order? Many who feel that they don't want to wait for that special wood would simply rationalize to themselves and settle on an inventory model, or buy an inventory model to tide them over and still order a custom model. Vehicle dealerships do it everyday... if you don't like the selection of trucks they have parked on the lot you simply order exactly what you want, knowing that you're going to pay mare and have a wait of 2 to 3 months. (You may say to yourself that you would never do that but there are thousands of people who do it every single day.)
There is a very old business adage; Something terrible happens when you don't advertise... NOTHING. If you invent a miracle pill that lets you eat anything you want and still lose weight all you've done is wasted your time if no one knows about it. Advertising can be very expensive and very complicated and still be ineffective, or it can be inexpensive and simple and be very effective. I wintered in Tampa for 13 years, my business partner and I were the resident artists at LazyDays RV. We put custom, air brush murals on motor homes, along with other, smaller works of custom art. At a cost of $1500 and up one would not think of our work as an 'impulse purchase'. As it turns out nothing could be further from the truth. By conducting 2 art seminars a week to a captive audience on LazyDays property we convinced people to not only part with their money but also 2 1/2 days of their time while we completed the work. For 13 years we did 5 custom murals per week. People are just waiting to be sold something... you just have to get in front of them and give them a reason to buy your product or service rather than something else.
Vapers are becoming a captive audience, much the same as the motor home community was. They are either just entering the world of vaping and are searching out something that will keep them off cigarettes or they're experienced vapers and are now in the race to stay ahead of their fellow vapers by having the latest and greatest. It certainly seems that RSM, not even considering future models, fills the bill on both counts.
I suspect that the middle Florida hosts various vape meets. The privilege, (rent), to set up a table is usually not prohibitive and the exposure at the event, and subsequent word of mouth can start the proverbial snowball effect. Several inventory mods for sale on site, a small TV running a continuous instructional loop and someone standing behind a table to answer questions, demonstrate the product and take orders can have a tremendous return on investment... a very small initial investment.
Let us not forget the Florida State Fair at the fairgrounds. A couple hundred thousand people pass through there in a week's time. Table space privilege, (rent), is not exorbitant, (prices vary depending on the building you're in) and every person there is looking for something unique to spend their money on. Just think about how many years they've been selling Ginsu knives, artificial chamois and beef jerky. It takes but a phone call to inquire about costs and if vaping demonstrations would be allowed indoors. May take a drive to the fairgrounds to demonstrate to the powers that be what vaping is but Bradenton is only a hop skip and a jump away.
Are there enough vapers and potential vapers out there to make a personal appearance worthwhile? The recently held Vapefest 2013, (or what ever they called it), in the Chicago area had over 1600 attendees... NOT COUNTING THE VENDORS.
Well, that's my 2 cents, and I realize it's not worth that much.
Now I have to go to the site and order my new 5 slot desk caddy... in CHERRY.
Jack
I love inlays ( Black Rose case and point). It would be slick to see a dark colored 5.1 with mother of pearl inlay.
Ahoy!
Well, A retro batch would be possible, but the main reason for the design change was to make assembly and repair easier. With the LED and circuit board encased in a wooden bottom it was impossible to repair, even if just a switch failed I had to just try to bypass it as replacement was not possible. A new layout in the old style would be necessary. I will look into it. Not to mention, using more exotic wood is possible with a more simple design, the new bodies have so many cutouts/slots/channels etc. that I have to only use woods that I know can take the router abuse without chipping or cracking.
I will use the DNA 20 eventually by request, but not until it has proven itself. It is still a new board and there have been a few isolated problems I've heard about. One should never grab the latest and greatest in electronics unless they are volunteering to be an unpaid beta-tester
Inlays & engravings. I never stopped doing them, people just stopped asking! They only thing is, people have to send me the clip-art and I will see what can be done with it before I try it on an expensive piece of wood and solid colored wood works the best for engravings.
Speaking of repairs, the DNA generation have under a 1% repair rate so far, which beats the hell out of the 20-30% repair rate of mods until the Cutlass/Destroyer II's were released. Then the repair fell to about 10%.
The only problem I am having with the new generation mods is warping doors, and that is only with stab doors, arrrrrrr!
I didn't mention it, I'm not too big on whining, but I hurt my lower back a couple weeks ago and have hardly been able to do the few desk caddies that have been ordered since. Today I am up and moving around with just a cane and I think tomorrow I will try cutting mod blanks and finally begin a batch for the website. This getting old stuff sucks!!
I have not been too chatty on the thread, been kinda depressed about being laid up and I'm sure you all would have picked up on my vibes, I'm supposed to be the "Happy Cappy"!
Did I answer all the questions?
Yo ho!
Well, A retro batch would be possible, but the main reason for the design change was to make assembly and repair easier. With the LED and circuit board encased in a wooden bottom it was impossible to repair, even if just a switch failed I had to just try to bypass it as replacement was not possible. A new layout in the old style would be necessary. I will look into it. Not to mention, using more exotic wood is possible with a more simple design, the new bodies have so many cutouts/slots/channels etc. that I have to only use woods that I know can take the router abuse without chipping or cracking.
I will use the DNA 20 eventually by request, but not until it has proven itself. It is still a new board and there have been a few isolated problems I've heard about. One should never grab the latest and greatest in electronics unless they are volunteering to be an unpaid beta-tester
Inlays & engravings. I never stopped doing them, people just stopped asking! They only thing is, people have to send me the clip-art and I will see what can be done with it before I try it on an expensive piece of wood and solid colored wood works the best for engravings.
Speaking of repairs, the DNA generation have under a 1% repair rate so far, which beats the hell out of the 20-30% repair rate of mods until the Cutlass/Destroyer II's were released. Then the repair fell to about 10%.
The only problem I am having with the new generation mods is warping doors, and that is only with stab doors, arrrrrrr!
I didn't mention it, I'm not too big on whining, but I hurt my lower back a couple weeks ago and have hardly been able to do the few desk caddies that have been ordered since. Today I am up and moving around with just a cane and I think tomorrow I will try cutting mod blanks and finally begin a batch for the website. This getting old stuff sucks!!
I have not been too chatty on the thread, been kinda depressed about being laid up and I'm sure you all would have picked up on my vibes, I'm supposed to be the "Happy Cappy"!
Did I answer all the questions?
Yo ho!
Boo! Sorry you hurt your back Cappy but it sounds like you're on the mend? I hope? Get better quickly! Back pain can be terrible.
Hope you get better quick Cappy. If you looking for an unpaid beta tester, I'll be your guy
I'm also not opposed to being an unpaid intern/tool fetcher/dog walker. Wait, what are we talking about?
I will gladly look after rose while you are engaged in intense testing
Hope you get better quick Cappy. If you looking for an unpaid beta tester, I'll be your guy
I will gladly look after rose while you are engaged in intense testing
Well, the only question I have is what kind of little plastic pushy thingies do I use for setting the voltage on the DNA 20 and how to mount them. I't will take a bit of research, also a new model to go along with it would be cool.
Retro mods, DNA 20 boards, or reto mods outfitted with DNA 20, along with beta testing..... Sounds like music to my
ears. I love these brainstorm moments. I really have to think about Rose sitting though, Waho.
ears. I love these brainstorm moments. I really have to think about Rose sitting though, Waho.
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