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You're right AT. Nice catch, I didn't know that
regular cotton safe to vape?
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You're right AT. Nice catch, I didn't know that
Check out "bole weevil" eradication program.
Pesticides are the only way growers can control the pest. There is a government program that all cotton farmers follow and maintain.
It's been in place since the 80's
As far as Japanese cotton goes, I'm sketched about anything grown in Japan since the meltdown. Japan doesn't have a great record for honestly when it comes to public safety and the media.
I prefer Cellulose. ( rayon)
Even more surprises here:
https://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~lhom/organictext.html
A recent study compared the effectiveness of a rotenone-pyrethrin mixture versus a synthetic pesticide, imidan. Rotenone and pyrethrin are two common organic pesticides; imidan is considered a "soft" synthetic pesticide (i.e., designed to have a brief lifetime after application, and other traits that minimize unwanted effects). It was found that up to 7 applications of the rotenone- pyrethrin mixture were required to obtain the level of protection provided by 2 applications of imidan.
It seems unlikely that 7 applications of rotenone and pyrethrin are really better for the environment than 2 applications of imidan, especially when rotenone is extremely toxic to fish and other aquatic life.
It should be noted, however, that we don't know for certain which system is more harmful. This is because we do not look at organic pesticides the same way that we look at conventional pesticides. We don't know how long these organic pesticides persist in the environment, or the full extent of their effects.
When you look at lists of pesticides allowed in organic agriculture, you find warnings such as, "Use with caution. The toxicological effects of [organic pesticide X] are largely unknown," or "Its persistence in the soil is unknown." Again, researchers haven't bothered to study the effects of organic pesticides because it is assumed that "natural" chemicals are automatically safe.
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For obvious reasons, organic farmers have done little, if anything, to dispel the myth that "organic = chemical/pesticide-free". They would only stand to lose business by making such a disclosure.
Pesticide manufacturers have little concern in the matter. To them, "synthetic pesticides sold" and "organic pesticides sold" are both "pesticides sold".
As for conventional farmers, they are not really in a position to be critical. It would not be in their interest to draw attention to chemical and pesticide use.
Well heck, I'm learning all kinds of new things today
. It seems the bole weevil eradication program is almost completely finished. From Wikipedia:"The program has enabled cotton farmers to reduce their use of pesticides by between 40 to 100 percent, and increase their yields by at least 10%, since its inception in the 1970s. By the autumn of 2009, eradication was finished in all US cotton regions with the exception of less than one million acres still under treatment in Texas."
I never knew anything about it, but I guess it's not a problem anymore.
Well heck, I'm learning all kinds of new things today
"The program has enabled cotton farmers to reduce their use of pesticides by between 40 to 100 percent, and increase their yields by at least 10%, since its inception in the 1970s. By the autumn of 2009, eradication was finished in all US cotton regions with the exception of less than one million acres still under treatment in Texas."
I never knew anything about it, but I guess it's not a problem anymore.
Keep reading.
It's still in effect, and only works because of heavy use of pesticides.
Without pesticides the weevils would destroy the crops.
Even today.
Also
"Organic" pesticides aren't exactly safe.
Google pyrethrin.
.It's the active ingredient in "Raid" flying insect killer.
Mm yummy!
But hey, it's "organic"!
But a newspaper is very effective against insects also. Does it means we should not touch it with bare hands?...
"Organic" pesticides aren't exactly safe.
Google pyrethrin.
It's the active ingredient in "Raid" flying insect killer.
Mm yummy!
But hey, it's "organic"!
Lol
Based in the quality of newspaper articles, Id avoid touching one.
I sure wouldn't eat or vape one.
I have used both. In fact, at the moment I am using my own hybrid of half Koh Gen Do and Rayon. Rayon so that I can get a bit more in without choking the coil. If I use just KGD, I seem to always get too much in there.
I still have a taste when using one or the other. It doesn't bother me. Just a bit of time and then I'm good
I'm not that picky
I use only certified hand picked organic cotton, but not because of the pesticides or bleach. I do it because that niche is one of the last bastions of employment for little people (they don't like to be called midgets or dwarves anymore) who refuse to debase themselves by going into show business playing leprechauns or munchkins. Yeah, they still do LARP's playing the hobbits which frankly we would all do. They got to ride the eagles. But they aren't LARPing for money, they are LARPing for the love of it. Plus, since they are short, they don't get back problems because they don't have to bend over to pick the cotton. I think all vapers should show support for this forgotten but proud segment of society.
I have used both. In fact, at the moment I am using my own hybrid of half Koh Gen Do and Rayon. Rayon so that I can get a bit more in without choking the coil. If I use just KGD, I seem to always get too much in there.
I still have a taste when using one or the other. It doesn't bother me. Just a bit of time and then I'm good
I'm not that picky
That hybrid wick is interesting, I've never heard of anyone doing that. I have found with Koh Gen Do that I can stuff a lot of cotton into a coil and be OK. So much that it's as tight as a good rayon setup. This isn't my idea, I saw a video of someone doing it, tried it and was amazed that it actually worked without choking. I use less cotton now but I don't worry about using too much.
OTOH, I'm vaping at around 40 watts and I think you vape much lower than that. If so, that could be significant. I move more juice per second which could really accelerate wick break in and maybe affect the cotton too. Details, the
is in the details 
Yes, I very much am a low wattage/voltage vaper. I like a cooler vape.That hybrid wick is interesting, I've never heard of anyone doing that. I have found with Koh Gen Do that I can stuff a lot of cotton into a coil and be OK. So much that it's as tight as a good rayon setup. This isn't my idea, I saw a video of someone doing it, tried it and was amazed that it actually worked without choking. I use less cotton now but I don't worry about using too much.
OTOH, I'm vaping at around 40 watts and I think you vape much lower than that. If so, that could be significant. I move more juice per second which could really accelerate wick break in and maybe affect the cotton too. Details, the
It could very well be why I do have that break in period.
I'm not saying don't use organic but some, I repeat some things labeled organic are no better than non organic. Cotton should follow the same rules as batteries, buy from reputable well known companies and suppliers.
Organic just means no man made chemicals were used as fertilizers or pesticides. There are many natural alternatives to both however. Think cows, horses and chickens, lol.
Sterilized can be okay but how is it sterilized? High temp sterilization is best but I'm sure most are chemical bath.
To be honest I think cotton is more of a crap shoot than buying batteries. One thing to think about though is, what cotton does cigarettes use. Did anyone really worry about an organic cotton cigarette ....?
I'm not saying its the same thing but finding any cotton chemical free is impossible. Even if the cotton is organic, the junk in the rain and ground water is not.
I also don't believe the double boiling technique works as well as people think but it doesn't hurt I guess.
I just look for the purest, cleanest cotton I can find. I use muji mainly and cotton bacon (had a bunch given to me).
Truth is no matter the package, no one really knows where the cotton comes from. I live in Alabama and watch them pull it to the gins. Once it is weighed it all gets shipped out. The markings on it (paint) is to label the field it comes from for payment.
The best you can do is look for non-worsted, unbleached, and undyed.
Organic just means no man made chemicals were used as fertilizers or pesticides. There are many natural alternatives to both however. Think cows, horses and chickens, lol.
Sterilized can be okay but how is it sterilized? High temp sterilization is best but I'm sure most are chemical bath.
To be honest I think cotton is more of a crap shoot than buying batteries. One thing to think about though is, what cotton does cigarettes use. Did anyone really worry about an organic cotton cigarette ....?
I'm not saying its the same thing but finding any cotton chemical free is impossible. Even if the cotton is organic, the junk in the rain and ground water is not.
I also don't believe the double boiling technique works as well as people think but it doesn't hurt I guess.
I just look for the purest, cleanest cotton I can find. I use muji mainly and cotton bacon (had a bunch given to me).
Truth is no matter the package, no one really knows where the cotton comes from. I live in Alabama and watch them pull it to the gins. Once it is weighed it all gets shipped out. The markings on it (paint) is to label the field it comes from for payment.
The best you can do is look for non-worsted, unbleached, and undyed.
Cigarette filters are made not from cotton but from cellulose acetate, same thing as in old-styled photo film. And purity of cotton is the last thing I am worried about. Especially with organic cotton.
I used plain regular cotton balls at first; had a nasty taste for the first few minutes. Switched to organic cotton balls and that taste went away.
ehhhh go with Rayon... no pesticides no bleach, no peroxide, wicks better, not expensive, no wet T-shirt taste.....
but if you want the ultimate in wicking.... natural sea sponge picked by red headed mermaids during the high tide and full moon in August on the north shore of Hawaii.... really rare stuff.... very hard to find and extremely expensive....
but if you want the ultimate in wicking.... natural sea sponge picked by red headed mermaids during the high tide and full moon in August on the north shore of Hawaii.... really rare stuff.... very hard to find and extremely expensive....
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