Research Isn't Cutting It...

[Ciele Edward]

Hello guys,

I'm new to this whole process, but have been researching e-cigs for a little over a week. I have purchased a Firelight Micro which I believe runs on an M-402 or M-401 battery. It works okay, but its nothing compared to actually smoking. If anything, its making my desire for a cigarette worse. I've searching these forums and others for my problem, but I can't really find anything.

My concern is not solely throat hit, but lung hit as well. When I inhale from a cigarette, warm smoke fills my mouth. I then breathe the smoke into my lungs and can feel the warmth in my chest. Then I exhale. When I smoke an e-cig I have to suck like crazy just to get some warm vapor into my mouth and when I go to inhale it...nothing. No warmth, no vapor in my lungs..NOTHING.

This is frustrating to say the least. I'm wondering if all e-cigs are like this? I want something that I can smoke like a cigarette. That's the whole point. I could care less about flavor, cost, cartridges, atomizers, cartomizers...none of that matters. I'll buy whatever I need to to get the inhalation fix. It isn't even the nicotine for me. I just want to inhale warm smoke. Crazy, I know, but everyone has their jones and that happens to be mine.

So...what smokes like a cigarette, warmth and draw wise? Anything? Or am I doomed to a life of Camels forever?

 

[CaptJay]

Joye 510 eGo - get one and be happier.
I havent smoked in almost 7 months after being a PAD (at least) smoker for 25 years.
I havent been this free of cigs since I was a non smoker..which I sort of am again now huh?

Actually the minis arent horrible units but I dont know this brand although Ive heard of it - it might be better juice you need if youre using the carts it came with, (almost all the carts that come with PV seem to suck on the flavor/TH etc front) but my advice is rather than throw good money after bad to get a unit that has a good track record.

 

[RedRamen]

3.7v doesn't cut it for me at ALL. You may want to get a big battery mod (if you don't care about size) and try out 6v. The worst thing that will happen, is 6v will be too harsh for you, and you can just get a big 3.7v battery. PM me if you'd like more info, though I see you have PMs disabled.

 

[zbasspro]

I went to 5V for the same reason. I still use 3.7 1/2 the time, but higher voltage sounds like what you're in need of.

 

[Madmann]

I don't know much about that brand you have but im using a smoke relief e-cig and 24mg cartridges and don't even want to touch a cigarette, i get plenty of vape and am satisfied. Someone just told me to check out a brand by eGo which i am just about to look into here in a minute he says the battery lasts long at around 10 hours of vaping constantly and im assuming good vapor as well. I bought the one i have without really knowing much about it because the guy at the smoke shop talked me into it but like i said i have no complaints and if i did i have a 30 day money back guarantee on it.

 

[zbasspro]

Madmann if finances allow don't hesitate. The Ego takes away one of the biggest ecig hassles battery changing. They aren't as big as most people think, and they vape like champs! When not using 5V you will find an ego on my hand.

 

[Kimberlou]

I have been using the 510 for a month now and have been very happy. My ego should here tomorrow and I will be even happier Good luck on your search.

 

[Automaton]

You know, if I were you, I'd skip the stock batteries all together, and go for a high voltage mod.

Get a 5v mod, some high-nic juice, and try that out for size.

Even at 3.7v (which is what the eGo is, as well as my Kr8), you will get plenty of throat hit, and some lung hit (plenty for me, anyway), but the vapor is still cooler than cig smoke, to me.

If you really want that warm vapor, you're going to have to pump up the voltage. As far as well-like mods (keeping in mind, I haven't tried any of these, just telling you what I see), the GLV, the Buzz (adjustable voltage), and the Chuck (6v) all get thumbs up pretty consistently.

It will be more expensive, but if that's what it takes to get you off cigs, it may be worth it for you.

 

[paulispuffin]

and you might try a kick ... juice like atomic cinnamide from tasty vapor

 

[Drozd]

I'd skip the 5V mod....

I'd get a big battery mod that allows for different batteries that you can do 3.7V, 3.7V with a low resistance atty, 6V, 7.4V...or 6 or 7.4V with high resistance atties so you can get back down to 5V...

why you'd get a 5V mod and have a one trick pony is beside me...

failing that I'd say an eGo...maybe a LR atty or 2 to go with it...and some nic juice in the 24-36mg range...more PG than VG too...like an 80/20 mix..

 

[Ciele Edward]

I didn't mean to disable private messages. Not sure what I'm doing just yet. Still figuring things out here.

That being said, I should just buy an eGo? Are they all 510s or are there different ones? That being said, I'd ideally like something cylindrical. It doesn't have to be the same size as a cigarette. I don't care how long it is, I just would *prefer* it to be the same shape throughout.

I know nothing about mods. I did order some juice for my e-cig. I'm hoping that putting some juice into these cartridges will up the power. I quit smoking 11 days ago and got my e-cig 3 days ago. It's odd because, up until that e-cig arrived, I was okay. Now I want a cigarette worse than I have since I quit.

I don't want to increase the nicotine since the goal here is to ultimately rid myself of nicotine, and I can work down to nothing, provided I've got plenty of throat and lung hit. I'll hook the thing up to a car battery if I need to. I don't care.

So...just buy a 510? I was a very hardcore smoker, so I'm a bit afraid it wont' satisfy me. Anything stronger that's still cylindrical?

 

[Automaton]

If you want warm vapor, I honestly don't think you're going to get that from anything 3.7v or under. The standard 510 is only 3.1v, and the eGo is 3.7v. If warm vapor is your must-have, I don't think you're going to find it there.

My Kr8 is 3.7v, and the vapor cools by the time it gets to my lungs, and is cool on my skin by the time I exhale. I don't mind that, but it sounds like you would. And that's what 3.7v is like.

 

[Ciele Edward]

Hmm...so a 901 then? I know the models but not the batteries/mods. I'm willing to buy whatever I need to, I just don't want to find myself stuck with a dud again.

I appreciate these responses immensely. I love the fact that this product is out there for people like me. It's a lifesaver...literally.

 

[VPDownunder]

Actually I believe the Ego is only 3.2v with a higher Mah battery, still with an LR atty it's pretty good. I'm going to suggest a variable voltage device, the little sister if size and price is a factor and the Buzz if you can afford more.

 

[mistinthewoods]

Ciele, Here's a list of the mods that are available if you're interested. e-Cig Mod Database | e-Cig Battery Tube Mods
The difference between the regular ecig batteries and the batteries that mods use is that a regular ecig batt only reaches 3.2 or 3.3 volts fresh off the charger. The "3.7 volt" batteries that most mods use come off the charger at 4.2 volts. That makes a noticeable difference. 3.7V Mods that use an 18650 battery are best because that particular battery lasts more than a day before it needs a recharge. Most mods that use the 18650 can also be fitted with 2, RCR123A 3.0 volt batteries giving you 6.0 volts. I suggest using a high resistance atomizer with anything over 5 volts however. 6 volts can make a lot of juices taste a bit burnt and burn out a regular atty pretty fast.
Confused yet?
Good luck with whatever you decide. Ask as many questions as you like and we'll give you more answers than you want.

 

[Ciele Edward]

LoL. Yes, a bit confused, but excited too.

Would a high resistance atomizer be available for any model e-cig? It seems the one I have now isn't customizable, which is frustrating. I want to be sure that I purchase something I can mod later on, if need be.

Does number indicate power? For example, the 801 stronger than the 501, the 901 a step up from that, etc? I'll go ahead and order tonight if I can get a good idea of what to purchase.

I understand that some of the forum members here sell mods, flavors, etc. I've already ordered juice from one guy here. I'd prefer to order other items from real people as well as opposed to random online companies. It just feels safer to me. So if there are those here who sell those things, please direct me to them to make purchases and I'd be happy to "buy local" so to speak.

 

[CaptJay]

Number does NOT indicate power - its just a brand if you will - a 510 an 801 a 901 are all atty types that operate a slightly different resistances. I use a 901 for more subtle flavors like fruits as it runs a little cooler than a 510 which can really put out some heat (and does well with the stronger flavors like coffees n tobaccos). I use them all on 510 threaded batteries though (with adapters).

 

[Automaton]

As far as I'm aware, no, the model number doesn't indicate power. But like I said, none of the stock batteries are very powerful.

VPDownunder's suggestion of a Little Sister or a Buzz variable voltage mod is a good one I think. That way you can find your own voltage that works best for you.

Pretty much all mods are made by small "mom and pop" companies, which may be as small as one or two people.

Here's the Little Sister:
Box Mods

...and the Buzz
Welcome to NotCigs

 

[Icoth]

One other thing to consider is ensuring the atty is staying wet. This won’t increase the temp of the vapor, but will sure impact the quantity, quality and help give that full lung feeling. I did not have much luck with the standard cartridges, tried some of the cartridge mods, and ended up dripping.

Biggest issue is the power. Go with a LR atty or higher voltage as everyone has recommended. You’ll also need to get a better method of juice delivery. Dripping is simple enough, just takes a little while to get the hang of it. There are plenty of YouTube videos that show how to do it.

I’m new to vapping myself, started with a 510 and ended up with a Buzz and dripping. Very happy with both. I plan to give cartomzers a try as well. Hope you find something you like. Vaping is not as simple as smoking, but if you experiment a bit, you should find something that works.

 

[Drozd]

for the most part the numbers do not indicate power...

I say for the most part because the model numbers seem to actually go backward in reality....

with a few exceptions... the model #s seem to corespond pretty well with the resistance of the atty and the lower the resistance the warmer the vapor because the more watts it's putting out... (like I said there are a few anomalies)

you got:
1.5Ω 510, 306, atties...
1.8Ω 510 atties....
2.0Ω 510 atties....
2.2Ω 510 (joye) atties....
2.5Ω 306 (joye) atties...
2.5Ω LR cartomizers (KR808 and 510)
3.0Ω standard cartomizers (KR808)
3.1Ω turbo cartomizers (and coolcarts too)
3.2 -3.5Ω slb and other knock off atties, the L88 (blu)...
3.5Ω 801 atties...
3.7Ω 901 atties...
4.5Ω HV atties...
5.2Ω HV atties....


so on a 3.7V battery the wattage they put out which translates to amount of vapor and warmth go in that order...the 510 and even the eGo batteries are 3.1V..which is where the anomaly comes in...being that a 510 atty on it's native 3.1V battery will be slightly cooler than the KR808 LR carto or standard carto on it's native 3.7V battery...

to further complicate things...some flavors do better at slightly cooler temps and some better at slightly warmer temps...

percentage of VG versus PG will also contribute to ammount of vapor....

for my money the best is a mod running a 3.7V high drain battery with a 1.5Ω low resistance atty (preference to the 306)....with a quality juice that's about 50/50 mix of PG/VG...followed by 6V running a 3.2Ω KR808 turbo cartomizer (on an adapter from a 510 fitting)

Cheapest route to tweak things (a KR808 battery and a 808/901 to 510 adapter, and a 510 or 306 atty)
slightly more expensive but with the bonus of long battery life (eGo or riva type battery with a LR atty)
most expensive....but gives you way more options... (a mod that runs the 18650 battery (so it can also be used with stacked batteries for 6V or 7.4V) ...with a higher resistance atty or cartomizer)