Rise In E-Cig Explosions Sparks Call For Regulation.

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So i read this on Skynews this morning : Rise in e-cig explosions sparks calls for regulation. Clearly a constant discharge in the guys pocket made this happen. Shame they can't add more details like this into the news item. It would help vapers become more informed. Instead just another negative story about how dangerous E-Cigs are.
 

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"Mr Bennett insists he did purchase the device from a well-known shop but still his product was faulty."

"Michael Bennett received treatment in hospital for 10 days in February after his device exploded in his pocket whilst roller skating with his son.

Faulty in what way? Was the device a mech mod with a bottom firing button? If so, that's sort of a user error. The majority of mech mods are bottom firing, and because of this should never be transported in a pocket where the fire button can be accidently fired. Over discharge of a battery due to accidental prolonged compression of the fire button will cause a battery to vent or explode.

Did the mod have ventilation holes
in case the battery vents? Most mech mods have inadequate ventilation holes, thus if a battery vents the mod becomes a pipe bomb. How many vapers are aware of this information? Whose responsibility is it to educate vapers? I believe a fair amount of responsibility falls upon the consumer to educate themselves, but manufacturers and vendors are also responsible by designing and selling gear that is designed to be safer. If your mechanical mod doesn't have vent holes, then maybe you should consider finding a machine shop to drill press vent holes in your mech.

It is common belief in the vaping community that most of the mod explosions in the last couple of years have occured to twenty-something males using an incompatible atomizer with a direct battery mechanical mod (incorrectly known as a hybrid mod). This sets up a situation where the battery will hard short and explode. Whose responsibility is it to warn consumers about this? Certainly vendors should, but again a fair amount of responsibility falls upon the consumer to know their equipment.

In a mechanical mod with a metal piston switch and no wiring, your weak link is the battery. This is not a link you want to break while it is in close proximity to your hand or face. Over taxing a battery in a mech can create a little pipe bomb.

There are risks with lithium-ion batteries if misused or short-circuited, and there have been several incidents and some injuries. But this is a common challenge across many types of battery-powered devices. We've all seen the media reports of cell phone batteries exploding or catching on fire.

Too many people are jumping into mechanical mods without understanding what they are getting into and not realizing it is not a care-free device like an eGo or Provari. It requires more attention to details and a better understanding of all the variables. Too often people on forums say, " Mech mods are easy, just drop a battery in and go. I don't understand why others say it is not for beginners." Because if you don't understand all the things you need to watch for there is a serious chance of something possibly going terribly wrong down the road.

Mech mods are not learning devices. They need to be understood before you begin to experiment with them. So far most novices have been lucky. However, some people don't check the batteries they use, don't know what resistance their coils are, don't know how to work an Ohm's Law calculation, etc, and nothing has happened, giving a false sense of security to others to try the same things, but all it will take is one bad coil or one bad battery to change someone's face forever.

I've been a safety advocate on this forum for over 4 years. I attempt to educate and inform vapers concerning battery and mod safety. Manufacturers of mechanical mods have a long way to go to make their products safer for uninformed users. Using recessed side fire buttons instead of bottom fire buttons, and placing vent holes in the top area of the mod (where batteries vent) are just two designs that would drop the number of mod explosions. Vendors must do a much better job of educating new vapers as to safe vaping practices. Battery re-wrappers must stop over-rating their battery specifications to lure consumers to buy their batteries; perhaps the battery industry needs to be regulated for truth in advertising.


When it comes to advanced mass marketed systems like cell phones, laptops and hybrid electric cars the system designers of those products have taken appropriate steps to make them "safe" for uninformed end-user use. Purely mechanical unregulated ecig battery mods and uninformed end-users is a dicey proposition.

Most consumer battery operated devices are no where near the limit of the batterys operating limits. The high-end flashlights and ecigs and RCtoys come to mind as applications that really push the limits. With the RCtoys the device is physically far removed from the person so a mishap is inconsequential. With ecigs a mishap is literally in the persons face.

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Exploding devices are hot right now (pun intended) but it's not mods that are front ant center. Samsung just had to recall a cellphone this month, not once but twice! The second time it completely had to take it off the market.

Stories about these phones exploding are all over the net:

We’re up to seven reports of “safe” Galaxy Note 7s exploding [Update #3]
Two more Galaxy Note 7 replacements caught fire (update: carrier responses)

Will these stories help us? Doubt it, but when people try to tell you mods are dangerous you only have to tell them to open a web browser. We've talking not just an incident here and there but dozens upon dozens of phones blowing up.
 

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Baditude hit the nail on the head. The vast majority of these issues are due to USER ERROR!
User error is not a good answer because it doesn't tell people how to avoid the hazards being reported. A better answer is don't carry loose batteries with unprotected terminals and don't use mech mods.
 

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User error is not a good answer because it doesn't tell people how to avoid the hazards being reported. A better answer is don't carry loose batteries with unprotected terminals and don't use mech mods.
It would be ideal for news outlets to provide as much info as possible (and they really should provide more information along with the mention "user error", but they could care less and just want to grab your attention then move on to the next story) but IMHO, I actually think user error is a great answer. It should prompt the user stop and think, "As a user, maybe I need to research all I can to avoid an error." For me, I can read all of peoples thoughts and opinions on what should and should not be done here and there. But the best way I learn is to inform myself. Sad that many people getting into ecigs don't understand this.
Oh and that comment about mechs needs to be edited. As a mech user, I can say that I feel more comfortable with my mechs then my reg devices (most mech users will agree). Echoing Bad's advice from above, Mech devices should be used only if you are aware of your battery capabilites, your device capabilities and your atomizer capabilities. Faux hybrid top cap mods should be the most scrutinized and understood before using.
 
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The news should also report, due to new FDA regulations, vape shops are not allowed to show a customer how to use a device they just sold them.
And that is just crazy. The B&M I go to has a sign on the counter saying pretty much the same thing.
 

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The news should also report, due to new FDA regulations, vape shops are not allowed to show a customer how to use a device they just sold them.
And this alone reveals that the FDA does not have our best interests to heart - what a ridiculous rule!! If the FDA prohibits vendors from showing customers how to use a vaporizer safely, then how is that protecting consumers' interest, which I believe is the purpose of the FDA? The onus then falls upon the consumer to educate themselves to protect themselves by doing their own research.

ECF is an excellent resource to educate new vapers. Unfortunately, how many new vapers are even aware of ECF? In addition, there is a lot of misinformation and mislabeling of batteries currently on the market, so the researcher must practice due diligence to find accurate and reputable information. Thankfully, ECF has Battery @Mooch to use as an excellent resource on batteries.

Mooch's Blog on Batteries
 
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Samsung just had to recall a cellphone, and it's in the news. Just yesterday I was in a Walmart and happened to be in the customer service area for a time. They had a bulletin board of recalls...one for three different flashlights, one for four different laptops, and one for a hover-board...all recalled for battery problems.

The problem isn't all user error, much is the fault of poor engineering and pushing a battery technology past any sane limitations. With mech mods both problems come quickly into play as users assume the product is safe regardless of usage...stupidity by the user and companies involved.
 

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I guess I'm a little tired of all the who's to blame, what's to blame, how to fix it stuff.

Some things that I do know are...
If you're expecting the average consumer to understand battery safety.
You're wrong.

If you think it's common knowledge...
You're delusional.

If you think they have a responsibility to learn and understand...
You're misguided.

It's not common knowledge, and most do NOT understand.
The fact is, most don't even know there IS something they need to understand.

So in light of that, where does the burden fall?
It's an easy answer, but it seems most people still aren't getting it.

Or maybe they just don't want to.
 

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Mech's do pose a problem for the new user, if a battery is defective, yikes, no protection there at all. I had a recent problem with a Kayfun base, I built it, had it on my coil tester, read 1.3 ohm, tested on Provari, 1.3 ohms, wicked it, added juice, took a few hits and got a major error message, replace atty, high current, etc etc. When I took the base off to inspect, and the metal piece below the coil was turned and must have shorted, it must have been ok while testing, but still off and I didn't notice it, but something went wacky while using it. I fixed the metal base so it was all lined up and it is working fine now. But made me think, holy moley if this happened on a mech, yikes!!!!
 

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User error is not a good answer because it doesn't tell people how to avoid the hazards being reported. A better answer is don't carry loose batteries with unprotected terminals and don't use mech mods.
The first part of your answer is COMMON SENSE and the second part of your answer doesn't make sense. I've been using Mech mods for 5 years and I've never had ANY problems. The problems that arise from Mech mods are primarily due to User ERROR, which is the same for those who carry unprotected batteries in their pockets.
 

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So i read this on Skynews this morning : Rise in e-cig explosions sparks calls for regulation. Clearly a constant discharge in the guys pocket made this happen. Shame they can't add more details like this into the news item. It would help vapers become more informed. Instead just another negative story about how dangerous E-Cigs are.

Media has a %20 approval rating... The "news" is all about ratings it's not about reporting anymore. I tried watching CNN, NBC and Fox news to see what that hurricane was doing all I got was that the usual anti-trump bull crap. Disclaimer; I'm not voting for Trump or Clinton.
 

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Media has a %20 approval rating... The "news" is all about ratings it's not about reporting anymore. I tried watching CNN, NBC and Fox news to see what that hurricane was doing all I got was that the usual anti-trump bull crap. Disclaimer; I'm not voting for Trump or Clinton.
:offtopic::) reminds me of the movie I watched last night...
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If you're expecting the average consumer to understand battery safety.
You're wrong.

If you think it's common knowledge...
You're delusional.

If you think they have a responsibility to learn and understand...
You're misguided.

It's not common knowledge, and most do NOT understand.
The fact is, most don't even know there IS something they need to understand.

Completely agree and hard to swallow all at the same time. Crazy to think society has become this way.
 
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I used to work tech support for bell Canada... I came away from that job with the idea, for some people a cave wall and a stub of charcoal is too much, people are idiots. considering how much tech influences our lives from the littlest things... here I was train to diag, fix devices, establish if it was something I could fix on my end, if it was an internal or external wiring issue, send a truck out... aka I was trained, but I still got calls like this...

cx " yeah so like I forgot my email pw and can't check it, and like I don't have a pen, can't you like just email me my new pw?"
me " yeah, umm no..."
cx " you're being obstructive, I want your manager!"
me "sure!" took my manager 20 mins to explain to the woman, if she already couldn't open the email, sending her the pw that way wasn't going to work.

people who didn't understand why things wouldn't work with the power out, because their computer was on... me having to explain it's a laptop... gods there's a reason that "is it unplugged" question is asked, because yeap a lot of the time it is... people who call for help like "my tv isn't working" or "my computer wont turn on" and you establish, yes their tv/computer is busted, and they scream at you to send a repair tech when you're only their service provider... I've had people call about their tv and net not working, I can hear their fire alarms going off, and they demand we fix it... while there's a fire IN their building... or "my tv singal isn't working and the receiver is smoking, I don't know what's wrong" and when I tell them to immediately unplug and remove the receiver "why?"...

what the fda is doing with hiding and lack of education is asinine, people are stupid and will not educate themselves, the more they hide things.. the more user errors we're going to see... Darwin runner ups and awards incoming *sigh*
 

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I used to work tech support for bell Canada... I came away from that job with the idea, for some people a cave wall and a stub of charcoal is too much, people are idiots. considering how much tech influences our lives from the littlest things... here I was train to diag, fix devices, establish if it was something I could fix on my end, if it was an internal or external wiring issue, send a truck out... aka I was trained, but I still got calls like this...

cx " yeah so like I forgot my email pw and can't check it, and like I don't have a pen, can't you like just email me my new pw?"
me " yeah, umm no..."
cx " you're being obstructive, I want your manager!"
me "sure!" took my manager 20 mins to explain to the woman, if she already couldn't open the email, sending her the pw that way wasn't going to work.

people who didn't understand why things wouldn't work with the power out, because their computer was on... me having to explain it's a laptop... gods there's a reason that "is it unplugged" question is asked, because yeap a lot of the time it is... people who call for help like "my tv isn't working" or "my computer wont turn on" and you establish, yes their tv/computer is busted, and they scream at you to send a repair tech when you're only their service provider... I've had people call about their tv and net not working, I can hear their fire alarms going off, and they demand we fix it... while there's a fire IN their building... or "my tv singal isn't working and the receiver is smoking, I don't know what's wrong" and when I tell them to immediately unplug and remove the receiver "why?"...

what the fda is doing with hiding and lack of education is asinine, people are stupid and will not educate themselves, the more they hide things.. the more user errors we're going to see... Darwin runner ups and awards incoming *sigh*

Lol what's funny is I was having issues back when we had Directv, rather than being on hold for 15 minutes+ and then running through the unplug this, unplug that, and is your' tv on the right input? I decided to trouble shoot it myself. Took me 10 minutes to discover that the ground fell off my service entrance, it took me 2 minutes to fix.

These same people who have batteries exploding in their PVs are the same kind of people that never change their oil, have their engine blow and then complain because the dealer won't fix it for free. It's said world that when somebody does something stupid the companies get blamed for not putting a warning label.
 
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