You may be in a minority on this forum but that doesn't mean you are not with the majority of e-cig users in the larger world. Does anyone have any actual facts or evidence about this?
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You may be in a minority on this forum but that doesn't mean you are not with the majority of e-cig users in the larger world. Does anyone have any actual facts or evidence about this?
Please, I know the feeling! These topics boil my blood daily! Every time I think I've seen it all........I agree.
And I aLso now realize it was gently pre-covered. My bad. Sometimes my emotions ... anyway, thanks!
Even my doctor was quoted as saying that 3 to 4 cigarettes a day simply can't hurt you (he's a realist and tends to be highly empirically oriented). Less than that--like your one to less than one--piffle.
He's also over the moon that I quit and went with the e-cig. Per him, given the choice, he'd much rather see me vape for the rest of my very long life.
Looks like you did a pretty good job! Congrats!
The one thing I might've added is that CASAA is industry-UNaffiliated. Sadly, many of our allies such as the Nat'l Center for Public Policy Research are not only industry-affiliated, but also refuse to disclose their funding. In a political context, an industry-funded org may speak with a louder voice - since politicians do pay attention to orgs that can move money and/or votes. Cub reporters are aware of the funding issue as well, but have the reverse attitude, since they live in a world in which so many industry-funded orgs "pretend" to be "grass roots" - AKA "atroturf." (The media is slower to catch on, when it comes to BP-funded or BP-influenced researchers or parts of gov't.)
But ultimately our issue is merely one of many matters that any given media person such as a reporter or a producer may deal with on a given day. If they've mischaracterized things, or even reported outright falsehoods to the public, this is not going to bother them - unless they think that there will be some consequences.
Clearly this reporter/producer didn't know much about the subject, but felt that this particular item in their inbox was properly handled by consulting the "experts." Put concisely: "due diligence was [supposedly] done." And that's basically what you saw in the reply: "I've done my job, so don't be upset!"
The subtext is: "I was working on many other stories that day - about which I also knew absolutely nothing. Unless and until you can tell me that I didn't follow the correct procedures, I couldn't care less about whether you liked the result."
Reporters and producers spend most of their time creating paragraphs or video frames. They're not responsible for the underlying validity of the substance - other than ensuring that the results meet certain requirements. So if there are three people with letters after their names who insist that two plus two is five, this "fact" is dutifully reported. Headline: UC Professor discovers that Two Plus Two Really Is Five. (Or that the earth truly is flat, etc.)
Besides, most local media people have little time to take that kind of responsibility, even if they wished to do so. Their job (as they see it) is to "paint by the numbers," regardless of whether the impact of their reporting actually serves the public interest.
Another way to effectively combat this problem in the short term is to hit back in an arena such as the comments section, or to have credentialed (or local) people respond in (say) a missive to the editor/producer. It's interesting to observe that the comments sections in the "hit job" pieces are filled with vapers who are doing just that. This may also help to explain why the reporting in the larger outlets is more balanced and better thought through. Frankly, I couldn't see either (say) the NYT or the WSJ doing a "hit job" like this (not now, anyway) ... their people are just too savvy, and they have the time to think through what they're actually doing - in part because they don't have to churn out ten or twenty stories a week.
In the long run, I believe public opinion will eventualy shift. But in the years and perhaps decades to come, we should anticpate frequent frustrating events of this nature, especially when we're dealing with local media.
Excellent, elegant reply, DC2!
And now, warning, slightly
but I want to get this out of brain and on to keyboard before I suffer a senior moment and lose the thought:
Re Slantzz and his "dual use" hypothesis: He and anyone else who moans that dual users are actually increasing their nicotine intake conveniently ignore the established fact that nicotine users self-titrate. Each nicotine user establishes his/her own "comfort" level.** This is why some of us smoked 5 cigarettes a day and some smoked 2 packs. By this established fact of self-regulation, every time a smoker vapes, that's one less cigarette (on average) smoked and that much less tar and other harmful chemicals ingested. Let's be sure to debunk Slantzz's dual use hypothesis whenever it comes up in the media!
**As I see it, either intentionally or un- he is implicitly equating nicotine with addictive drugs {MODERATED} where the user builds up tolerance and has to increase dosage over time to achieve the desired reaction.
Okay, back to our regularly scheduled program....
And now, warning, slightly
but I want to get this out of brain and on to keyboard before I suffer a senior moment and lose the thought:Re Slantzz and his "dual use" hypothesis: He and anyone else who moans that dual users are actually increasing their nicotine intake conveniently ignore the established fact that nicotine users self-titrate. Each nicotine user establishes his/her own "comfort" level.** This is why some of us smoked 5 cigarettes a day and some smoked 2 packs. By this established fact of self-regulation, every time a smoker vapes, that's one less cigarette (on average) smoked and that much less tar and other harmful chemicals ingested. Let's be sure to debunk Slantzz's dual use hypothesis whenever it comes up in the media!
**As I see it, either intentionally or un- he is implicitly equating nicotine with addictive drugs {MODERATED} where the user builds up tolerance and has to increase dosage over time to achieve the desired reaction.
Okay, back to our regularly scheduled program....
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That's a good idea.
Anything that can shut up Stanton Glantz would be welcome.
Well, welcome at least by anyone that cares about people's lives.
I think you are being too kind when you label him as "an embarrassment to the profession".
I have much harsher words I would use to describe him.
Read this whole thread with great interest. For me, its a local news story, and affects me directly ...
Two things occur to me on reflection:
Local news media people love to meet with informal gatherings of residents to relate their story, makes for interesting interviews, the kind that generate catchy teasers and draw in viewers. Probably wouldn't be hard to get a number of San Diego area vapers to sit down in a restaurant with the 10 News reporter, or even another one from a competing station ...
My story is simple, 46 years of smoking, no intention to quit, switched to vaping and left tobacco behind, much improved health, NO "dual use", never even considered that ...
Secondly, my first degree was in broadcast journalism, and I do remember some of what I learned. In my opinion, the really sensational story here is not some junk science and the continuation of smoker persecution, that's old stuff. The reporter who has the gonads to follow the evidence, and expose the reasons why vaping bans are suddenly popping up like mushrooms, over a device that only contains benign substances, that guy will have a real scoop ...
Either way, any responsible news report should conclude with the obvious fact that vaping is here to stay, the internet makes it impossible to suppress the knowledge necessary to build PVs, and will provide sources for the juice, despite corruption and greed ...
As a good friend of mine says, "They didn't "Tucker" it soon enough." ...
Two things occur to me on reflection:
Local news media people love to meet with informal gatherings of residents to relate their story, makes for interesting interviews, the kind that generate catchy teasers and draw in viewers. Probably wouldn't be hard to get a number of San Diego area vapers to sit down in a restaurant with the 10 News reporter, or even another one from a competing station ...
My story is simple, 46 years of smoking, no intention to quit, switched to vaping and left tobacco behind, much improved health, NO "dual use", never even considered that ...
Secondly, my first degree was in broadcast journalism, and I do remember some of what I learned. In my opinion, the really sensational story here is not some junk science and the continuation of smoker persecution, that's old stuff. The reporter who has the gonads to follow the evidence, and expose the reasons why vaping bans are suddenly popping up like mushrooms, over a device that only contains benign substances, that guy will have a real scoop ...
Either way, any responsible news report should conclude with the obvious fact that vaping is here to stay, the internet makes it impossible to suppress the knowledge necessary to build PVs, and will provide sources for the juice, despite corruption and greed ...
As a good friend of mine says, "They didn't "Tucker" it soon enough." ...
I think it's a disease effecting many of the Cal. tobacco researchers as well as a few in Kentucky.
I agree, and I'm sort of surprised and not surprised at the same time that nobody has delved much into this in the media yet. I hate to think that investigative journalism is dead, but it sort of seems that way. Are the reporters not wanting to do the work, are the stations/outlets not approving the stories, has tobacco control got everyone so brainwashed that they just can't see this side of the story, has it become too taboo to question tobacco control? It's hard to believe that people who should interested in digging for details are glossing over the whole money aspect of this issue.
That's exactly right--vaping started outside the U.S. and it flew under the radar for too long. So, the Tucker method won't work, now, they have to rely on other methods.
This particular link was too dreadful for me to post today in my round-up (besides I had bigger fish to fry) ... Center for Tobacco Control Research and Education
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In other words, Dr. Glantz believes that your local vape store which might sell Blus (even if it doesn't sell tobacco products), is at minimum not a "legitimate business," because it's associated with the "criminal enterprise" known as Lorillard.
Is he also talking about "criminal enterprises" such as Johnson Creek which go to great lengths to sell safe and high-quality e-juice?
Even if he doesn't believe the latter (and I wouldn't put it past him), it looks like everyone who works for Green Smoke is now part of a "criminal enterprise," since GS is now owned by PMI.
Hard to see Blu and GS employees as "Goodfellas," isn't it?
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Almost like everyone is under the spell of some sort of collective hypnotism.
There's an enormous irony in the fact that the very people who promote this lunatic witch hunt against nicotine users are doing so with technology and devices developed in the last century, by inventors, scientists, and engineers who nearly all smoked tobacco ...
They need to study their own history a bit more, and recognize the fundamental hypocrisy of demonizing a substance while using the very tools to which it contributed ...
Another angle for a clever and creative reporter to pursue ...
They need to study their own history a bit more, and recognize the fundamental hypocrisy of demonizing a substance while using the very tools to which it contributed ...
Another angle for a clever and creative reporter to pursue ...
The Slantzz says:
I find it a terribly sad reflection on our society that he considers himself civilized.
I find it a terribly sad reflection on our society that he considers himself civilized.
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