Scalping Vape gear on ECF needs to stop

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RippleInStillWater

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Rip,dont focus on the price part of the discussion,its mainly about dudes that looks like they are making a living out of the classies (not that I care much,just pointing out the OP main reason for this thread) and last time I checked,ECF is purty much international,not just USAUSAUSA

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Hey, bud, we both have made a profit on GG sales, mainly from euros, I know that and am fine with it, its what they wanted and we gave it to them.....:)

Yeah, vdrum, thatick, and a couple others seem to have made it an occupation......:laugh:
 

martinc

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Verified is a must to buy i guess, people can buy and just file a claim and get the money back :( atleast if its "verified" theres something on record?


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Whatever verified mean....

I bought something last spring from a dude in USA and never received it...had to file a claim with paypal 1 day prior to deadline and he kicked and moaned about it...

Then listed the item back a week later.

Yet he got his verified status a short while AFTER.

DOH!
 

martinc

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Hey, bud, we both have made a profit on GG sales, mainly from euros, I know that and am fine with it, its what they wanted and we gave it to them.....:)

Yeah, vdrum, thatick, and a couple others seem to have made it an occupation......:laugh:

Compulsive buyers are we :laugh:

But I'm much better now,only own 4 APVs......












.....but a dozen rebuildables :laugh:
 

siampumpkin

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Used ferraris are actually really cheap, i dont drive one because it will be pretty useless in these island :) people act like these mods can be compare with antiques lol as far as i know theres no mod out there that is even 10 year old....

By supporting these profit people you actually are pimp slapping the maker :) go ask Del if he love the idea that others make more money out of him and Van....


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It's all about profit and demand. There is demand with no supply so the price goes up. Simple economics. If the supplier cannot meet the demand there are lots of unemployed people in Greece who would love to work and learn a trade.

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If the concern is the possibility of new vapers getting fleeced, then educate new vapers. Post a sticky note in New Members and/or For Sale or Trade warning them about scalpers and advising them to do their research, especially with high demand or hard to find items. Personally, I don't have a problem with occasional, private sellers charging a premium for a highly coveted piece of hardware - that's the way a free market operates. Scalping is another matter, and I agree that it is classless and contrary to the purpose of this forum, but trying to regulate it out of existence is not a workable solution, in my opinion. Scalpers respond to the market, too - don't buy from them. Educate newbies and report obvious abuses to the moderators so that they can enforce the rules that are already in place.
 

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I have to disagree a bit with the OP. I posted this in another thread, I'm going to put it out here also, tweaked slightly.
I understand in a general sense not liking what you are calling scalping. .I also understand the general sentiment against "profiteering", and in general I think it's a nice thought. But what you are trying to do is get a rule to make supply and demand go away. I suspect no rule you could put into place will make this happen. .Could you push it off of the ECF? Maybe, but just look at government's ability to control black markets, the reason that never works is because the law of supply and demand keeps working just like gravity, wether you like it or not, whether you believe it or not and even if you pass some rules or laws against it. At worst it will have no effect, at best it will be slightly harder and more expensive to buy your high demand items. .For example if you levied a $50 fee on scalpers, the new inflated price for items in high demand would be : the old inflated price plus $50..

At the fundamental level the highly inflated prices demanded and paid are a result of not enough supply. If you feel better blaming them on evil profiteers and bad people who will pay the profiteers price, um ok. Forget limited edition, one of a kind's and collectibles. Those don't count. But, if for instance you are talking about a current attomizer, or device, that has been, is being, and is planned on being made and sold in the future, the ONLY SOLUTION to distorted pricing is to MAKE ENOUGH TO AT LEAST COME CLOSE TO MEETING DEMAND!! I absolutely promise you that if people were able to buy what they wanted at the retail price, very very few would pay 3X that in the classifieds. I could be wrong about this, but I don't think so;)

If a product in demand continues to be produced in quantities that only meet a fraction of the demand for it, nothing you wish, say or do is going to prevent the distortion of price. No more than if you deny gravity, you will just float away. I suppose it could be argued otherwise but I suspect some vendors know full well that they are ordering a run of 200, when they could easily sell double that. They want to control demand to keep it high, and that is their prerogative, but to then be upset if price gets inflated in secondary markets is just baffling, since their decision caused the inflation!

If you want to argue that it shouldn't be allowed on the ECF, ok fine. That won't make it stop, or go away but I guess it could make it go happen somewhere else so you wouldn't have to see..

Supply and demand in relationship to price is not capitalism, or American, or global, or an opinion it's just a mathematical equation. Unless you can effectively set a price, legislate its adherence and have the ability to enforce it (impossible). It will continue to be so..
 

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This thread is absolutely pointless. As such I'm closing it with a challenge to the OP.

Make a searchable database that is updated daily with the current retail price of every e-cigarette (standard and APV) in existence from every manufacturer and every reseller on the internet. This database must include all prices and calculate average retail price (pre-shipping) and provide the standard deviation. Of course the hundreds of thousands of entries must be checked daily for price changes and whoever maintains the database must be watching 24/7 for new websites and removing ones that have closed.

This is the scope of what you are asking. Be careful what you wish for...
 
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