I freely admit that I dont know math well... You guys need to dumb this down for me. Currently this just looks like an arguement and since I need math dumb'ed down I cant tell who is winning..
Selecting the correct juice density.
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I already did in my first reply to him.
You can't solve 1 equation with two unknowns. Solve this equation for a value of x:
10/x = y
or 10 = xy
Let me know when you find out what x equals.
You're way off Al. You may get 12 puffs from a cig, that doesn't mean that 12 puffs of vapour are the same.
I wouldn't even bother giving credibility to comparable puff counts, they are so far from sensible reality that they're not worth working out, tried that, got the t-shirt.
Feel free to keep on trying of course ... you're keeping me entertained.
I wouldn't even bother giving credibility to comparable puff counts, they are so far from sensible reality that they're not worth working out, tried that, got the t-shirt.
Feel free to keep on trying of course ... you're keeping me entertained.
Quite the contrary, based on my calculations, 12 equivalent puffs on a e-cig at the calculated density will yield the same amount as the analog. Now if you want to be a little more precise in the wording of your argument, are you claiming that the amount of vapor per puff from an e-cig is not equivalent to amount of smoke from an analog? Precision in wording is the name of the game here.
BTW, you still didn't answer my question, are you avoiding it because the answer is yes?
Very simple here Bundy, if i fill my cartridge with 1 ml of 10mg and I vape it till it is gone--I induced 10 mg--no mystery. If i refill the cartridge with another ml of 10 mg and vape that, then I have induced a total of 20 mg. If I then decide to go to bed and stop trying to figure out Bundy here anymore--then I have consumed 2 ml totaling 20 mg of nicotine which is about the average in one pack of smokes--- Sun
The only problem with his "equations" are that they are insolvable without either fixing a variable or guessing at the density.
It's just easier to determine the density based on whatever the nicotine yield per cigarette you're using times 10.
I'd like to think most people can multiply by 10 with relative ease.
You asked:
"BTW, if you vape say 2 ml of 10 mg density juice, can you some how magically determine an average density per puff if you take n puffs?"
I magically determine that 2x10=20.
'density' per puff will rely on many variables, I tried to work it out once, 23 people helped me and the results still don't have credibility.
How did you magically determine that 12 puffs of 10mg vapour is equal to a 0.1mg of nicotine? Please cite your source.
"BTW, if you vape say 2 ml of 10 mg density juice, can you some how magically determine an average density per puff if you take n puffs?"
I magically determine that 2x10=20.
'density' per puff will rely on many variables, I tried to work it out once, 23 people helped me and the results still don't have credibility.
How did you magically determine that 12 puffs of 10mg vapour is equal to a 0.1mg of nicotine? Please cite your source.
It was a question to see if based on those variables given that you could calculate a possible estimate for the puffs. You completely misread the question as a claim of mine. See the question mark?
of course, that part i get, that you don't want to increase it, which is why a lot of new users start with very low nicotine just to HAVE it instead of trying to replace the exact amount.
the other thing to consider is your body's addiction to the other thousand chemicals in analogs, that's another variable to take into consideration because you're going to have a bit of withdrawal from all that, not just the nic.
i started vaping because i enjoy the act of smoking, not for the nicotine. sure, call me crazy, but i didn't smoke for 2 weeks (literally, not once) from the day i ordered my analog to the day i got it...and then while charging it, i went through a pack
for my habits, i'd buy a pack on the weekend nights when i went out. my gf doesn't smoke and hates it, so i don't smoke around her, so yeah i'd go days with no cigs just because. when i looked into vaping, it was a no brainer. i can "smoke" with either nic or no nic, make my own flavors, start treating my body better with this new alternative, and then i don't smell and taste like an ashtray so my gf will actually make out with me.
i started with a 401 (evo and a pilot hybrid) and best estimate is that a full cart is about 4-5 cigs. as i said, i'd burn a pack a night at the bar, and then some. if i'm out with my evo, i barely use a cart and don't even notice the difference. so...no, i'm not vaping as much as i'm smoking, and that's often with low or no nic carts.
i have a range of low to high carts from my kits, and if i smoke the highs, i may take one or two puffs and put it down for hours. if i some low, i'll take a few more. your body tends to have an inner alarm for your nic, and will definitely react if you start taking in too much at a time. honestly, i got headaches when i first started, so i kept to low nic until i adjusted to vaping.
it really is quite a different experience than cigs and smoke.
maybe i missed it, but are you doing this research before you get your ecig or do you have one and have used one?
that's not a jab, but i know i did research in other areas (maintenance and such so i didn't break it) and was stressing myself out before i even had one. maybe you're not stressing, but i'm just saying sometimes you need to sit back and just enjoy it.
other thing...you're going to use it A LOT when you first get it, so best suggestion for you and anyone is to start with very low nic so you don't overdo it while you're testing it out and playing around with it. give it a week or two and let your lungs and body adjust, and THEN go back to your maths and try to work out your formula if you still find your body craving more nic. you may find that you don't want to replace your nic intake, maybe you'll just lower it and not notice.
i don't do math, not my bag, so i can't argue any of your logic or calculation as others have, but i think that's all that is going to continue happening, is that it seems like you have your logic to it and you are sticking to it, and want to counter what others say. that in itself is fine, and i'm sure most people are willing to debate it with you, but maybe you're looking for a 100% logical answer or for someone to either prove it or to help you disprove it, but it's not likely to happen, so one side or the other will just get frustrated and you won't feel like you got the answer you wanted.
or i'm way off.
i just want you to enjoy it! hah.
I see that you have confused the earlier claim with my recent question.
Assuming 12 puffs as being the equivalent to the analog on the e-cig at 10mg density juice, the 10*.1 = 1 mg analog equivalent.
My recent question was aimed at trying to get you to see the "puff" as a potential "unit".
I can see I'm wasting my time.
I'm not confusing your claim with your recent ramblings.
I'm asking you to say how you know there are 12 puffs of 10mg eliquid to 1mg of nicotine.
If you don't answer the question there's not much more that can be said ... you made it up.
I'm asking you to say how you know there are 12 puffs of 10mg eliquid to 1mg of nicotine.
If you don't answer the question there's not much more that can be said ... you made it up.
Flitz thanks for the reply.
It's just how I've been trained to think. I analyze everything to the nth degree because that's how the neurons in my brain are wired. I've already determined to my satisfaction of what density juice to start at and stay at, that was the intent. I think the higher density juices are going to end up receiving extreme scrutiny by the FDA and will be potentially banned at those levels. It's just an educated guess, but it's a reasonable conclusion for safety precautions.
Anyway, I've got a satisfactory decision for juice density and that's all I was looking for. I'll leave all the potential nicotine abuse issues to the FDA to determine.
It's just how I've been trained to think. I analyze everything to the nth degree because that's how the neurons in my brain are wired. I've already determined to my satisfaction of what density juice to start at and stay at, that was the intent. I think the higher density juices are going to end up receiving extreme scrutiny by the FDA and will be potentially banned at those levels. It's just an educated guess, but it's a reasonable conclusion for safety precautions.
Anyway, I've got a satisfactory decision for juice density and that's all I was looking for. I'll leave all the potential nicotine abuse issues to the FDA to determine.
If an analog takes you 12 puffs to consume it, taking equivalent puffs on an e-cig will be about 12. The problem is your question lacks any precision whatsoever.
Whether or not an e-cig can generate 12 puffs / .1 ml is a question of efficiency and other equipment variances.
Are you claiming that no e-cig can generate 12 puffs / .1 ml? How many ml per puff on an e-cig would you say is generated?
Bundy --I can readily see that you came in here with one mission--to make trouble. Your statement above speaks volumes as to your motives and I find you unremarkable--at best----Sun
I'm not claiming anything Al, I'm saying you are way off in my opinion and I'd like proof.
You assume that puffs are the same volume and nicotine strength for 10mg eliquid and a 1mg cig. You said 12 puffs were equal. You've been arguing that that is the truth and that puff counts can be measured. Now you are fudging the point which is how do you know that vapour and smoke are equal puff for puff?
You assume that puffs are the same volume and nicotine strength for 10mg eliquid and a 1mg cig. You said 12 puffs were equal. You've been arguing that that is the truth and that puff counts can be measured. Now you are fudging the point which is how do you know that vapour and smoke are equal puff for puff?
Trouble? I'm a smoker going on 10 years now. I'm already looked down on by society enlarge as is every other smoker here.
I'm talking about safety issues. Nicotine is a POISON that we're addicted to. I'm just trying to determine what's the safe amounts to use based on my analog usage.
I'll tell you what though, people like you are going to cause trouble because of you complete lack of judgment. You think I'm causing trouble? Wait until the anti-smoking crowd starts in on e-cigs. They're going use people like you as an example to ban e-cigs because of your careless haphazard use of the stuff.
You'd better wise up and realize the rest of society looks down on smokers and will stop at nothing to eventually ban it. If you plan your defense based on safety of use then it makes their positions that much more difficult to defend.
I assume that because when you puff on an analog, the habitual amount is a function of whatever your lungs are accustomed to pulling. If you're pulling on an e-cig, the same lung function would occur out of habit.
I didn't fudge anything, I asked YOU that question.
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