Semovar and Provari would apparently share the same failing.

[Mutescream]

Did you even look at the ZNA? It's not for me, I'm happy with my ProVari, but the ZNA does fit all of the criteria you were listing. The ProtoVapor is the only other VW mod I've seen that seems to approach the ProVari/Semovar for reliability, built like a tank, etc.

Edit: but you do have to keep that e-juice off of the OLED screen. If you can't do that ('cause it will fry the screen), you might as well keep looking.

I looked at the ZNA. The box/tube hybrid is intriguing, but a bit too bulky. Once we enter this sort of pricepoint, I start being more picky. If it were half the price, and could be had for less pursuit... I might settle with it. I'm thinking the wiz evolved might be what fits the ticket for me.

 

[zapped]

So, I'm finally saving enough money buying juice in bulk to consider buying that "end all be all mod".

I ruled out the provari, because it's just become so passe as a means of stating one is a commited vaper. Besides, I hate macs, and like the mac mouse (and iphones, too), it only has one freaking button.

So, I looked to the Semovar. It looks decent. Apparently well made and regarded. It's not ubiquitous. Just "one" problem. That sob has only one button, too!

Is there a solid and awesome mod out there with more than one flippin button that isn't a box mod? I'm not thrilled with boxes, otherwise I'd be all over a reo or hanna.

Now some of you are probably wondering why that one button is such a sticking point for me. If I'm going to drop somewhere around $200+ for something, I expect it to not take over 10x as long to adjust the same number of settings as a much less expensive device. I expect the convenience of not having to hit a single button about 200 times (in a coded fashion, with a manual in my lap) to get it to the point I'm using to start and then hit that same button about 50 more times to get it where I like it.

Are quality buttons so expensive and hard to find, that it's just too difficult to place two more buttons on it? Will two more buttons weaken its design to that much greater of a degree, that it would generate a ton of waranty returns?

If these manufacturers don't want to do it, fine. Who out there makes an awesome tube style multi button mod that I could hammer nails with (and not break), has vv and/or vw, has a kick .... warranty and customer svc?

It doesnt really take 10x as long. The Semovar and Provari use a single button thats rated at 500k clicks because the less moving parts you have the more sturdy and less apt to fail they are.

Good luck but I dont think youre going to find anywhere near the build quality of either with your search parameters.

 

[SoberSnyper]

I looked at the ZNA. The box/tube hybrid is intriguing, but a bit too bulky. Once we enter this sort of pricepoint, I start being more picky. If it were half the price, and could be had for less pursuit... I might settle with it. I'm thinking the wiz evolved might be what fits the ticket for me.

It is not bulky at all. I was actually surprised at how small it is, although it is heavier than a Provari.

 

[p.opus]

Edit: but you do have to keep that e-juice off of the OLED screen. If you can't do that ('cause it will fry the screen), you might as well keep looking.

This is something that so many DNA owners are silent about. There are already reports of OLED screen burning out on DNA mods.

The thing I absolutely love about the ProVari is that the device is designed that it can be literally filled with water and dried out and have a reasonable chance of surviving. This has been demonstrated by numerous testimonials of people who dropped their ProVari's in puddles, in the sink, etc. and pulled them out, dried them off and continued using them with no consequence.

A lot of people love to "knock" the ProVari for it's "old" technology, but it was designed first to be rugged. This is something that is lost on DNA owners. The DNA chipset is not particularly rugged. It has no reverse battery protection, the OLED is susceptable to liquids.

Now if you use your device at home away from any liquid hazards, great. If your mod maker adds extra protection, great. Most Mod makers are not that "forward thinking".

Give me something that will last for years, I prefer that over something that may have the latest bells and whistles only to be brought down by an Achillies heel such as a display that burns out at the first sign of moisture.

 

[BostonVape]

OP, you might like the eVic ... it has the one button, but has the dial where you can adjust the voltage/wattage on the fly without needing to hit the button, plus the Ohm/battery readout are displayed on the LCD at all times.. you can just set the sleep timer high so it doesnt shut off right away.

 

[SoberSnyper]

This is something that so many DNA owners are silent about. There are already reports of OLED screen burning out on DNA mods.

The thing I absolutely love about the ProVari is that the device is designed that it can be literally filled with water and dried out and have a reasonable chance of surviving. This has been demonstrated by numerous testimonials of people who dropped their ProVari's in puddles, in the sink, etc. and pulled them out, dried them off and continued using them with no consequence.

A lot of people love to "knock" the ProVari for it's "old" technology, but it was designed first to be rugged. This is something that is lost on DNA owners. The DNA chipset is not particularly rugged. It has no reverse battery protection, the OLED is susceptable to liquids.

Now if you use your device at home away from any liquid hazards, great. If your mod maker adds extra protection, great. Most Mod makers are not that "forward thinking".

Give me something that will last for years, I prefer that over something that may have the latest bells and whistles only to be brought down by an Achillies heel such as a display that burns out at the first sign of moisture.

Well I have owned Provaris for over a year and have only had the ZNA for a month now so only time will tell. I can say that I love my ZNA and that it is a beautifully machined device and Evolv has been around for several years now. The OLED screen is a long way from the top of the device, in fact it is near the bottom of the ZNA so I don't really think that is a concern.

Nothing is going to replace my Provaris and they will remain in my arsenal but it is nice to have another quality device that does things that currently the Provari cannot do. Hopefully Provape will address this soon and I can start sending in my Provaris for updates.

 

[wv2win]

Sorry, but you are wrong.



NexGen Futura DNA 30

Built like a tank, (Ballistic grade Aluminum, Surgical/Marine Grade Stainless steel) takes 18350, 18500 and 18650 batteries, adjustable center pin, reverse battery protection, 22 mm diameter top cap, built, sourced and made in the USA, 1 year warranty, etc.

Like seemingly all DNA 30 mods, it can take a while to get one. They should be taking orders again in a few weeks.


Actually there's much less to remember.


I have to respectfully disagree with you. I see it as just the opposite.

With a DNA 20/30, you can check the battery, ohms, wattage and voltage with a single click. How many clicks does it take to check all of those on a single button mod?

With a DNA 20/30 you don't have to click the button several times, wait, then click again to adjust the power, you just click the button.

Plus, I don't need to learn error codes, the DNA just tells me. (Too Hot, Weak Battery, Shorted, etc).

This looks like a winner. How much does it cost?

 

[Rossum]

This is something that so many DNA owners are silent about. There are already reports of OLED screen burning out on DNA mods.

I think you may be mis-using the term "burning out".

The thing I absolutely love about the ProVari is that the device is designed that it can be literally filled with water and dried out and have a reasonable chance of surviving. This has been demonstrated by numerous testimonials of people who dropped their ProVari's in puddles, in the sink, etc. and pulled them out, dried them off and continued using them with no consequence.

I'm sure that's a very useful characteristic for those folks who drop mods in toilets. (No we'll never let you live that down).

Give me something that will last for years, I prefer that over something that may have the latest bells and whistles only to be brought down by an Achillies heel such as a display that burns out at the first sign of moisture.

I own three DNA mods, and I have a fourth on order. I've had no such issues. I don't put my batteries in backwards, and I'm not the the habit of dropping my mods on bowls full of water. But just in case, I got in on one of the DNA coops and will simply have keep a few DNA boards in stock as spare parts. Can you stock a Provari board so you can fix that Provari yourself if it does break?

 

[Mutescream]

This looks like a winner. How much does it cost?

I forgot to follow up on the Futura... I couldn't get the page to load on my phone. How does it look? I'm also interested in the price.

As for earlier praise on the build quality and the half million clicks the button is rated for on the provari from various posters... Awesome, now put two more of those half million click buttons on there, give it a more intuitive ui, and I will be all over that version. If it is that popular of a device, then hopefully they can do a little r&d for deeper market penetration. Great that it lasts forever. For that price, it should. It should also not require spending a ton of time with an owner's manual to figure out how to use it. I expect there to be at least as elegant a ui as a device 1/3 the price.

 

[Free6413]

I've been considering the SVD, also. I just want to make sure the 510 connector threads are not too soft.

The threads are just as good as any other mod. I bought mine three months ago and have had no issues. There are some inherent QC issues I have read about but mine has not had them. It works for what I need and is very durable. It is not a Provari but it does have the multiple buttons you are looking for. It also doesn't break the bank. That leaves surplus funds for other toys and juice.

Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk

 

[wv2win]

The threads are just as good as any other mod. I bought mine three months ago and have had no issues. There are some inherent QC issues I have read about but mine has not had them. It works for what I need and is very durable. It is not a Provari but it does have the multiple buttons you are looking for. It also doesn't break the bank. That leaves surplus funds for other toys and juice.

Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk

Thanks for the info. I like the Vamo due to it's features and price. The issue with the Vamo is the soft 510 connector material. That is why I asked the question as it pertains to the SVD. In other words, in one year, will the threading have degraded to the point that a new APV is needed.

 

[wv2win]

I forgot to follow up on the Futura... I couldn't get the page to load on my phone. How does it look? I'm also interested in the price.

As for earlier praise on the build quality and the half million clicks the button is rated for on the provari from various posters... Awesome, now put two more of those half million click buttons on there, give it a more intuitive ui, and I will be all over that version. If it is that popular of a device, then hopefully they can do a little r&d for deeper market penetration. Great that it lasts forever. For that price, it should. It should also not require spending a ton of time with an owner's manual to figure out how to use it. I expect there to be at least as elegant a ui as a device 1/3 the price.

I just watched the PBusardo review and he quoted a price of $229. So basically in the Provari cost range.

 

[Free6413]

Thanks for the info. I like the Vamo due to it's features and price. The issue with the Vamo is the soft 510 connector material. That is why I asked the question as it pertains to the SVD. In other words, in one year, will the threading have degraded to the point that a new APV is needed.

The entire body is made of stainless steel (including the thread package). I use numerous tanks both 510 and ego threading. I change out tanks several times daily to change flavors and have not seen any wear on either at all.

Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk

 

[FearTX]

I had a Semovar, it was a bit fussy for me. The mod needed more cleaning than my mechanicals to function well. I sold it, the menu system on it was easy to pick up. By the end of the first day I did not need to think about the settings.

I still own a Provari, the menu system was easy. About 1/2 the day and I had it down. If you need to constantly change your settings while vaping you are probably doing something wrong. I still use the Provari daily. It is my set and forget device and always has a Kayfun or Russian on it with Hawk Sauce or Peach Meltdown in them.

I do like my Hana, it always has an RDA on it. It goes everywhere with me. Remembering all the menu settings with the three buttons on it took the same amount of time as my Provari with it's one button. 1/2 a day.

It sounds like the OP is looking for a Swiss Army knife vaping device. I am sure there is a Chinese something out or fixing to come out that will meet your expectations.

 

[exnihilo]

Isn't the Futura multi buttoned?

Sent from my LG G2, using Smack-a-talk HD.

 

[Glenn_K]

...A lot of people love to "knock" the ProVari for it's "old" technology, but it was designed first to be rugged. This is something that is lost on DNA owners. The DNA chipset is not particularly rugged. It has no reverse battery protection, the OLED is susceptable to liquids....

"Rugged" is not an exaggeration. Yesterday there was a mishap in which my ProVari was literally flung across the room, leaving a big hole in the drywall. I had to bang the top cap back into place (it ended up slightly out of skew), but other than that, not a scratch, and it still functions perfectly.

-- Glenn

 

[p.opus]

I think you may be mis-using the term "burning out".


I'm sure that's a very useful characteristic for those folks who drop mods in toilets. (No we'll never let you live that down).


I own three DNA mods, and I have a fourth on order. I've had no such issues. I don't put my batteries in backwards, and I'm not the the habit of dropping my mods on bowls full of water. But just in case, I got in on one of the DNA coops and will simply have keep a few DNA boards in stock as spare parts. Can you stock a Provari board so you can fix that Provari yourself if it does break?

Yes, the toilet thing is humorous but I live in South Florida. At any time a storm can pop up that can soak you to the bone in no time. It is not a stretch to think that I could be using my device and either get soaked by a thunderstorm, or I drop my mod and it happens to find a nice newly created rain puddle.

A lot of people use their mods in "bars" and a bar is a veritable mine filed of spilled drinks.

Now I have held a ZNA, and I believe that Zen probably does mount his display sufficiently to keep moisture from destroying the device.

But I'm not so sure about other Mod Makers. It's something I think needs addressing.

The fact that I can "buy" a DNA chipset on the open market and replace it myself really doesn't apply to most people who are spending $200.00 plus for a mod.

For the little more than the cost of a DNA chipset, not only can I get a ProVari replacement board, but I can get it professionally installed by factory authorized technicians.

Add to this that the components on the ProVari board are physically more rugged in construction than their DNA counterparts. So the probability that I may need to replace the board is lower with the ProVari.

Yes, I can stock multiple DNA boards, but I shouldn't have to. And after seeing how some of the mod's are built, replacing the chipset is a little bit more work than one might think.

I must admit, the ProtoVapor XPV does impress me as it appears to be pretty easy to work on, but they are having some growing pains as well. I hope they last long enough to outgrow them. ProVape could use some competition.......

 

[Purplepeeps]

Why not hang in there until your perfect end all mod is created? Save up for it while you're waiting. In the mean time, if you're itching to buy something new, look at getting something cheaper, that's reliable.

How about a Sigelei 20W or Zmax V5? Both only have one button though.

 

[p.opus]

Why not hang in there until your perfect end all mod is created? Save up for it while you're waiting. In the mean time, if you're itching to buy something new, look at getting something cheaper, that's reliable.

How about a Sigelei 20W or Zmax V5? Both only have one button though.

I think that's the equivalent to chasing a unicorn.....I've stopped chasing.

I use my ProVari's daily. I "deal" with the things I like less about it (VW is still nice to have...10 watts for my Kayfuns...).

My MVP's are my travel mods. They travel so much easier than a ProVari. No extra batteries to haul, no extra chargers, just a micro usb wall wart that I use for my phone anyway. I just hope Innokin realizes how much a winner they have and doesn't muck it up.....

I used to criticize ProVape for not "keeping up with the times". Now I appreciate the fact that they developed a rock steady and reliable device and didn't listen to people like me and muck up what clearly was never broken to begin with.

 

[edyle]

I just read in another thread that it's $550. If that is correct, that's way over my budget. I'm sure it is "top of the line" and I like that it is VW not VV and has the three buttons. But can't justify that cost factor.

$550 and it only has VW but not VV??? For that reason alone I wouldn't buy it.
I use VW mostly, but for $500+ I think it's silly it doesn't have the option for VV; that's like a provari having 510 only when even the simple common eGo battery has 510/eGo thread giving you the option to use a large tank with an eGo base or a small cigalike cartomizer.

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Juct checked; cause I couldn't believe at $500 it didn't have VW:
as a compromise I suppose, it does have a screen that displays volts and ohms