Serious question, what would make a new vaper go back to normal cigarettes?
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I found this great multi-part blog post that recapped a long thread about issues people have had with kicking the remaining analogs:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/blogs/dvap/642-madame-psychosis-summary-pt-1.html
For others (like me) having a difficult time breaking free of analogs, you might find this helpful to understand.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/blogs/dvap/642-madame-psychosis-summary-pt-1.html
For others (like me) having a difficult time breaking free of analogs, you might find this helpful to understand.
Lack of consistently performing gear almost drove me back to the cigs at first. I tried nearly all the clearos available at the time. "You got to try the <insert recommended solution to all my issues>, man!" I bought it and tried it. All the same. Dry hits, flooding, gurgling, lack of vapor, lack of flavor, plasticy taste, vapers tongue... I could leave a perfectly working setup over night and wake up to having to fiddle and clean and fix. Changing heads or even changing the entire clearo didnt't necessarily help, and was as best a very temporary fix. Was on the carto tanks for a while, but didn't really like it. A matter or taste, vapor production and personal preferences. Still, lots more reliable than any clearo I tried.
The last thing you want to do when you crave a cig and substitute with a vape, is to have to fiddle with your gear. Not healthy for ones sanity or nerves.
Luckily, when I did succumb and lit up a cig, I found I no longer liked it at all. Only solution was to find a properly reliable setup I could simply pick up and vape without thinking about it. So, I decided to force myself to set up rebuildables with mesh wicks. If for nothing else, the only one to blame for it not working would be me. Takes a good bit of fiddling to learn, but well worth the effort for me. All the fiddling is in advance, not when you need a vape.
Now I'm one happy camper with a handful of rebuildables that "just work"; day after day, morning after morning. I have no desire whatsoever for cigs.
The last thing you want to do when you crave a cig and substitute with a vape, is to have to fiddle with your gear. Not healthy for ones sanity or nerves.
Luckily, when I did succumb and lit up a cig, I found I no longer liked it at all. Only solution was to find a properly reliable setup I could simply pick up and vape without thinking about it. So, I decided to force myself to set up rebuildables with mesh wicks. If for nothing else, the only one to blame for it not working would be me. Takes a good bit of fiddling to learn, but well worth the effort for me. All the fiddling is in advance, not when you need a vape.
Now I'm one happy camper with a handful of rebuildables that "just work"; day after day, morning after morning. I have no desire whatsoever for cigs.
Understand that cigarette addiction is not necessarily just to nicotine. There are other addictive substances in there which seem to affect some people more than others. Do a search for whole tobacco alkaloids. It sounds like you were lucky enough to be mainly addicted to nicotine, others are not so fortunate.
I'm lucky enough to not really care that much for drinking (I have nothing against it, it just doesn't really do anything for me except put me to sleep) so I don't have that association. Currently, if everything went to hell, all my batteries died, etc. I'd ride it out with one of those $8 ones from WalMart or with nic gum.
I would definitely NOT go back to smoking.
I would definitely NOT go back to smoking.
There have been a number of mentions of whole tobacco alkaloids (WTA) and MAOIs in this thread already...
But thank you for posting that link, which I would have done if you didn't.
You made me realize something insane I did. Last weekend when I had 3 clearos die and 2 i30s start to leak, I went back to analogs with not being able to use anything other than awful CE5s. Not full on but I had stopped. It was a hol weekend and local B&M were out of stock. I DID have both nrt gum & patches on hand and it didn't occur to me to use THEM rather than analogs. *sigh* now I know if it ever happens again!
There have been a number of mentions of whole tobacco alkaloids (WTA) and MAOIs in this thread already...
But thank you for posting that link, which I would have done if you didn't.
I had mentioned them in the thread as well - just thought it useful for further reference.
PS I'm in San Diego half the year and it's because of Vapure that I started vaping.
drinking. I find myself craving that harsh burn of a cigarette when drinking. I wake up the next morning each time hating myself for it too
It was my husband's idea to try to quit smoking with e-cigs. At the time I was a pack and a half smoker for 20+ years. I was skeptical that vaping would help me quit, and the first few weeks were still kind of hard (I imagine it was all the extra stuff in cigarettes I was addicted to), but I found the right device and delivery system and it finally got to a point where I started preferring vaping to smoking. It didn't stick with my husband, although he's ready to give it another try.
I've been almost exclusively smoke free for close to 2 years now. I can't imagine going back to smoking, although were e-cigs not available, I'd probably be back to smoking pretty rapidly. I'd like to say I never get cravings for cigarettes anymore, but every now and again I'll get a really strong urge. I've given in a couple times and lit up, but haven't made it through a whole cigarette, they really taste awful to me now.
I will agree that there are probably a myriad of reasons why people go back to smoking after vaping. I've read that it's as hard to quit smoking as it is to kick ......, so it's really one of the hardest things to give up. It certainly was one of the hardest things for me to do.
But, not having a smoker's cough, and not waking myself up in the night with my wheezing is reason enough for me to never go back.
I've been almost exclusively smoke free for close to 2 years now. I can't imagine going back to smoking, although were e-cigs not available, I'd probably be back to smoking pretty rapidly. I'd like to say I never get cravings for cigarettes anymore, but every now and again I'll get a really strong urge. I've given in a couple times and lit up, but haven't made it through a whole cigarette, they really taste awful to me now.
I will agree that there are probably a myriad of reasons why people go back to smoking after vaping. I've read that it's as hard to quit smoking as it is to kick ......, so it's really one of the hardest things to give up. It certainly was one of the hardest things for me to do.
But, not having a smoker's cough, and not waking myself up in the night with my wheezing is reason enough for me to never go back.
I ordered a sampler pack from five pawns, roar, and some ahlusiom juice.....if I don't like any of those I may just wait a month and try again after my taste has changed
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I have to say it's been a real eye opener all the info on this thread about the other stuff that goes into cigarettes. I suppose it would have been too simple if it was just nicotine we were replacing with vaping. 3 days in now and I'm having no issues I really hope that doesn't change but it seems almost criminal to me that they put all that other stuff into cigs which is known to breed dependencies. It certainly explains why nicotine replacement by itself isn't enough and some people really struggle.
The more I hear about the truth behind cigarettes the more glad I am I finally walked away from it, even if it took me 35 years to do it lol. Also, if I run into one of these really difficult patches where I think I'm struggling I will be half expecting it now and hopefully can get through it with a high nic vaping session.
The more I hear about the truth behind cigarettes the more glad I am I finally walked away from it, even if it took me 35 years to do it lol. Also, if I run into one of these really difficult patches where I think I'm struggling I will be half expecting it now and hopefully can get through it with a high nic vaping session.
I had quit for almost two years, then went to a warzone. The stress of a warzone, plus being a supervisor was just too much for my provari and tank w/24mg setup to handle. Sometimes the additives in the smokes are more adept at calming nerves...
Mine is easier now. A new wick, battery, bottle fill every other day.
Reo/rm2 combo. Took me a while to get here.
Thanks to my phone, I could have posted this from anywhere.
I think that's understandable, techtony, and by the way, we thank you.
Just to clarify, nicotine is one of the many whole tobacco alkaloids.
The MAOIs come from some of the other whole tobacco alkaloids that are naturally present in tobacco.
The MAOIs were not added by Big Tobacco.
Another well know effect of smoking is the ammonia, which makes the smoke more acidic.
This causes it to be far more rapidly absorbed by the lungs, and gives you a much quicker spike of nicotine.
Many claim that this quicker spike leads to a more addictive product, due to a "freebase" effect with rapid absorption and quicker elimination.
Patches, gums, inhalers, and electronic cigarettes give a slower absorption, and therefore a slower elimination.
It has been argued whether or not the addition of ammonia was done purposely by Big Tobacco.
I tend to believe the argument that it was added as part of the curing process and that the "freebase" effects were unexpected "benefits" for Big Tobacco.
My girlfriend is having this problem. We both smoked a pack a day. I smoked Marlboro Reds and she had Camel Crush, always popping that little menthol bead.
I bought myself a Vision Spinner 1100mah and a kanger T2 to start. I hated the length and how fat it was. Little did I know a week into vaping I preferred it to smoking..
I bought my girlfriend one two weeks later and she has cut down to about 5 a day. She just can't make the full transition. She's been vaping/smoking combined for about a week and a half or two. How can I get her all the way on the band wagon? I'm actually starting to dislike the way she smells! LOL
I bought myself a Vision Spinner 1100mah and a kanger T2 to start. I hated the length and how fat it was. Little did I know a week into vaping I preferred it to smoking..
I bought my girlfriend one two weeks later and she has cut down to about 5 a day. She just can't make the full transition. She's been vaping/smoking combined for about a week and a half or two. How can I get her all the way on the band wagon? I'm actually starting to dislike the way she smells! LOL
I think once you get a proper tank and power system, the likelihood of going back to analogs gets slimmer and slimmer.
I wasn't going all that great at first and I couldn't give up my cigarettes completely for a few days but that was mostly because I was terrified of letting go. I wasn't even particularly wanting to quit cigarettes but I was tired of my mother harping on it and I just wanted to try it because of my friend's success.
Now that I've happened upon what vaping can really be like, however, I can't see me even thinking about a cigarette. I even still have one left from my last pack and I keep it right there with my vaping stuff.
I wasn't going all that great at first and I couldn't give up my cigarettes completely for a few days but that was mostly because I was terrified of letting go. I wasn't even particularly wanting to quit cigarettes but I was tired of my mother harping on it and I just wanted to try it because of my friend's success.
Now that I've happened upon what vaping can really be like, however, I can't see me even thinking about a cigarette. I even still have one left from my last pack and I keep it right there with my vaping stuff.
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