Serious question, what would make a new vaper go back to normal cigarettes?

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I've been having a h*** of a time getting off analogs 100%. Here's why:

I'm addicted to something else in analogs other than nicotine
I've had issues with not having enough backups (3 attys going in 2 days and a holiday weekend with local b&m out of stock!)

I was beating myself up because I couldn't break free, but I am taking it as a win that I've never gone more than 45% of the analogs I smoked.

Most of this^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ for me. Difference is I got more backups than I can carry.
I still believe that there are things in cigarettes that are addictive
I vape WTA most of the time, and still get the urge. Going from over 3+pad down to under 1/2 pad is a major milestone for me. Sometimes less than that. It's not the ones you smoke that count. It's ALL the ones you didn't light up that matter the most.
 

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Smoked 2pad "cowboys" for nearly 40 years.
Wife would sit at computer and chain smoke and cough.

Then found vaping and got her into it as well we both started at 18mg strength and kept them ego's glued to hand everywhere we went
and picked up same habits after dinner in the john etc.

Now at 14 mg strength wife at 12mg.
I'm a diy -make my own e-liquid with real cig flavoring and the wife menthol flavoring.
She no longer has any type of cough.

Its become sort of a hobby for me making mesh coils for my 5 DID20s useing them in rotation .
I enjoy it and now around smokers in casino etc it now has a off putting smell.

Have lifetime supply of 100mg nic in freezer along with all i ever need of mesh and kanthal so for the wife and i its now very inexpensive
and have no cravings.

I wish the best for everyone vaping and hope they dont go back and find their way such as we have
cause them cigs are much worse with the tar they create and all the chemicals they output .
In my humble opinion vaping is much much better and the brain can still get its nic signal - important as thats
what it craves the most.
 

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I won't lie, most of what you said went right over my head. 3 days with no form of nicotine, I get that from the liquid? I have 5 spare heads that came with my kit so I can replace if necessary.

I figured most would go over your head which is exactly the point.

3 days was the benchmark for when symptoms begin and that is nicotine related. As you said, you are getting nicotine but not the other chemicals. Read up on MAOI's and what happens when some people quit those abruptly because those and other chemicals are in cigarettes. The other chemicals can be just as much of an issue.

I am under no illusions this is going to be an easy ride but it's much easier than I expected so far. That 'smoke' in the morning with coffee, the one after food, the cravings if you have a beer... none of this has been an issue yet. Maybe other things will trigger the need for a cig I don't know but I haven't found any yet.

I don't think I'll ever get into the rebuilding or DIY stuff I'll just take good advice and have lots of backups for all my parts and make sure I have a good selection of liquids.

I still maintain none of the above is relevant if a) you don't believe vaping will work for you or b) you don't want to give up cigs anyway.

You asked what would make people go back. Even people who want to quit smoking and at first believe vaping is the answer run into the types of issues I mentioned.

As far as what you don't understand, you may move into all that step by step even if you say you won't now. At the very least I recommend looking into dry burning and it's pros and cons. That will make your heads last longer. As long as you are quitting you might as well save at least some money.

ETA (edited to add) - I see you went to bed. I wasn't about to hold the other thread against you and glad you won't hold it against me. I hope this post helps some.
 
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Most of this^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ for me. Difference is I got more backups than I can carry.
I still believe that there are things in cigarettes that are addictive
I vape WTA most of the time, and still get the urge. Going from over 3+pad down to under 1/2 pad is a major milestone for me. Sometimes less than that. It's not the ones you smoke that count. It's ALL the ones you didn't light up that matter the most.

You seem like my vaping twin! I had commented in another post in this thread I am addicted to something else in cigarettes other than nicotine.

I went from 50 day to anywhere from 0-20/day now. I may have had 2-3 days in the past 12 weeks over 20.

After my recent atty fail (3 clearos died right after having 2 iClear 30's star to leak), I have a dozen clearos on hand. I just need a couple ego twists as back-ups since I have only iTaste MVP & 1 ego.
 

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You know... I might never progress to better types or mods because I love this one so much. It looks so futuristic. No chance I will be the guy with the pink PV :)



2.5 pack a day wow that is just amazing. Try loads of flavours but don't worry if you are still loving the menthol it's kind of like cigs you find a taste you like and stick with it. Try out all the 10 mil samples you can get at great prices you never know when you might come across something that strikes exactly the right chord with you.

Yea it's weird how I just decided to quit...I didn't really want to quit but I just decided that I was more excited about vaping/mods/juices and just vaping in general then buying another pack of analogs!




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I'm going to try as hard as heck to never go back to analogs and haven't yet. I can't speak for the reasons why some fall off the wagon, but I do bet having hard time finding juices/flavors or having reactions to PG or VG, bad gear or for some who have vaped for a long time, I saw a thread where they talked about all these crazy things that had to go through before "the ease of vaping" like what we have now.

The Godfathers and Mothers of vaping that paved the way for us went through some crazy things. I would have fell off the wagon if i had to go thru that stuff because I have zero mechanical knowledge, no patience and can't seem to combine two premade juices without gagging let alone DIY!
 

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You seem like my vaping twin! I had commented in another post in this thread I am addicted to something else in cigarettes other than nicotine.

I went from 50 day to anywhere from 0-20/day now. I may have had 2-3 days in the past 12 weeks over 20.

After my recent atty fail (3 clearos died right after having 2 iClear 30's star to leak), I have a dozen clearos on hand. I just need a couple ego twists as back-ups since I have only iTaste MVP & 1 ego.

Don't forget backup chargers for your batteries. :)

Given the hurricane potential down here I went so far as to pick up a cheap USB charger that runs off solar from Amazon
 

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Don't forget backup chargers for your batteries. :)

Given the hurricane potential down here I went so far as to pick up a cheap USB charger that runs off solar from Amazon

Yup, that reminds me - I want to get a 2nd charger for my iTaste MVP *just in case* or maybe just get a 2nd one.
 

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I have spent a good deal of time on a thread for those people who either can't or don't want to completely quit smoking. Most of us here smoked for decades--some have major health issues because of it, some of us just know it's healthier not to smoke. We found vaping to be a great alternative. But why some of us go back to smoking, or others just can't completely quit? Different specific reasons, but what we've discovered is that most of us have some sort of health issue that smoking actually helps, or vaping aggravates. Believe it or not.

I myself started vaping at the end of March, and I could have a banner that says "I have been smoke free for....", but I don't think it would be completely honest. I used to smoke a pack a day (for 30 years), and the amount of time I've smoked since I started vaping amounts to about a month (and less than 2 packs). During my "slip-up" times I only averaged 5 a day.

I quit completely the first day I vaped and stayed that way for a month. I thought I was done! Then a setback of allergies to juice, and major stress. That lasted about two weeks. I bought some WTA liquid (a life-saver!), started taking antihistimines, quit smoking completely again and made it almost 2 months.

Then I developed a serious medical condition requiring medication. This condition is very commonly triggered by quitting smoking. Not only that, but it's believed that one of the alkaloids in tobacco is responsible for inhibiting the progression of the disease. So my histamine and internal inflammation was going crazy, and the only way to truly feel better was to smoke. This was my longest relapse, lasting about a month. I still vaped, but still smoked too because my body truly did need it. Or at least I did if I wanted to keep my sanity and to keep from blowing up like a balloon.

Now that I'm well on my way to being properly treated, I have once again quit smoking and have been smoke free for almost 6 weeks. I still have the inflammation issue (on occasion my mouth and sinuses will burn terribly when I vape), and instead of smoking when it gets bad, I use Swedish Snus. I don't expect that I will be needing to use that much once I am optimally medicated, but who knows?

There ARE actually good things in cigarettes. There are chemicals in tobacco that "medicate" a whole host of illnesses without some of the side effects (and costs) of pharmaceuticals. Unfortunately, it's the smoke that will kill you.

My point is that for me, and for those that I've been hanging out with on that other thread, these kinds of issues are what make us look to smoking for relief. Problems that surfaced as a result of quitting. Some as a result of vaping (allergies and whatnot). I know that in my case when the swelling gets bad but I'm still needing my fix, I definitely think that a cigarette would be better than vaping. So far it hasn't gotten that bad this time around, but after two attempts I'm not making any promises to myself that this is it.
 
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There's so many interesting posts in this thread. A day and a half after getting my EVODs I put down the analogs. I have within easy reach the last pack of cigs I opened with 16 left in the pack. There's also a lighter nearby. It was so easy to stay away from them I still can hardly believe it.

My wife's success is a different story though. Still smoking a few of the analogs each day although she did go a couple of days without. My guess, after reading these posts, is that she may also have a need for something besides the nicotine provided in the cigs. She also start vaping with 12mg liquid. I started and continue to use the 18mg. I estimate I was smoking in the neighborhood of 45 analogs per day. She was at about a pack a day. She vapes on and off during the day. As for myself I'm vaping almost ever waking moment.

I suppose that just helps to confirm how different we can be with our addictions. I might add that I'm not at all insistant that she totally quit smoking and I don't rag on her a bit for what she want's to do. She's a big girl who can make her own decisions. Besides, she has tended to be quite, umm, witchy which I tend to blame on the lack of nicotine she's experiencing and I try very hard not to piss her off.

That said, I'm happy for my accomplishment and for what she's accomplished.
 

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If it does happen I will fight it with everything I have. I never want to go back to cigarettes again.

This is the attitude you need to quit. Good for you! When the tough days come (and they will) when you are tempted to light up, remember how you feel today.

There are as many reasons for success and failure with vaping as there are people. But I think the ones who do succeed often have a level of commitment to make it work for them. I am not saying that those who don't succeed lack commitment. Quitting smoking is incredibly difficult. But in order to succeed at vaping one does need a certain level of sticktuitiveness. It's just always going to be easier to grab a pack and light up.
 

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Only thing that would turn me back to cigarettes is if all my batteries suddenly gave up on me (have enough clearos so those I'll not run out of), or... if getting eliquid with nicotine is impossible to get. That's a very real danger here in Sweden, even with the recent EU legislation to not regulate vaporizers an nic-liquid as medicinal products. The ANTZ reign strong, the media is nearly without exceptions jumping on that bandwagon, and the police even raided ecig-stores in southern Sweden recently (not legal to sell eliquid with nicotine here). It's still possible to order nicotine eliquid from abroad, but I do worry that that'll change...

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I found out about vaping after stumbling a crossed some grimmgreen videos and decided to buy a apollo ego kit and some clearos. I vaped and smoked for about a week, and the only juice I could vape was apollos menthol which is basically a strong mint juice.

I finally gave up on vaping and continued smoking analogs. :(

I've been a 2.5 pack a day smoker for about 5-6 years and yes I said 2 and a half pack a day smoker.

Finally 3 days ago I decided I'm done with smoking and I'm vaping! I quit cold turkey and I've Been vaping non stop! I haven't even wanted a analog once:)
But for some reason the only thing I can vape and enjoy is still the strong mint/menthol.

I've bought a few flavors that everyone else seems to love and I just can't stand them at all:/ so hopefully that changed soon!


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I was like you in the beginning. I couldn't bear to vape anything that wasn't mint or menthol. On a whim I ordered a sample pack from a popular vendor, and found that magical flavor that didn't make me miss the mint or menthol at all. So I bet the same will happen for you, just keep trying if you like. On the other hand there are some great flavors out there with mint and menthol, so you still have lots of great choices.
 

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I get that you need a goodish PV (not a cigalike, no offense to people who have found them of use but to me psychologically you feel you're still smoking) and some good liquids and of course, crucially, the right nicotine content.

Sorry, thinking aloud... any thoughts?

Seems to be different for everybody. Mixture of physical biology and of course, mind-set and pyschology. And also, how much people *enjoy* the hobby aspect, fiddling and trying out new and different stuff.

I REALLY did not want to smoke anymore so I was very motivated. After the 1st 2 weeks I refused to ever buy another cigarette again, and didn't. I quit smoking using an ego twist with a clearo (and evods and better clearos were not avialable back then) and then moved on to a bottom feeder Vmod and I was off cigarettes in the first 3 weeks for good. I used 12mg nicotine juice.

I run into plenty of veterans all the time who are still using their non-VV egos after 3 years. I also run into newbies who went immediately for high powered mods and vape at high watts. Then there are many people who quit cigarettes using Blu, and yes, cigalikes. (yes, it can be done and they did it). Some are still using cig a likes.

I guess my thoughts are, keep trying to get off cigs and whatever vaping devices you have to try to get you to the point where for you, you have reached some satisfaction. Bigger is not necessarily better for *everyone*. My brother quit smoking using non VV Ego T batteries with a low ohm top coil bauway non-replaceable coil clearo. (cheap clearos!)
 
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