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Ok, I get it but - this is how you personally would like everyone to respond to people's questions. The thing is ...they don't have to. They don't agree with your reasoning for doing so. People really do feel they're being helpful when they quickly shout the name of whichever vendor has treated them right.


And like I said- it seems like most "newbies" asking for suggestions don't want to even read stickies or browse the model subforums or use the search feature. They simply want : an assurance it works and a link.
Later, after they've actually tried vaping they usually come back and get really into a bunch of research (which is half the fun).



Is this maybe about a few threads that irked you? Because there are tons of threads on ECF where people have discussed those features to infinity, for every model out there. I regularly tell people: First read this or that sticky. Then for a 3 piece go with the m401 or 501 (and I list links) or for a 2 piece look into the kr808 aka VaporKing (with link). A lot of folks do that.

I'm not sure why this has turned into some lesson in forum best practices. I honestly think it's maybe a personal pet peeve on your part.
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on some points, I find just shouting your favorite vendor without any hard facts (not emotional facts) to be doing a dis service to the information seeking newbie maybe that's not the best model to fit their needs..and why if they start here would you want to send them off half informed and wait for them to come back and dig and do research and possibly find out that they would have done better with another model. why not be fully informed and get the best model that suits their needs from the get go and be sure of it...and be strong in their conviction that they got the right one that they're confident that it'll help them get rid of the smokes..
I know myself personally after a cancer scare, and my trade being hit so hard by this economy that even unemployment ran out...making sure that I got the right PV was a big gamble since I had to squirrel away part of my smoke funds..it was a lot of trust and I only got one shot at it...if it'd failed I'd have been screwed with no smokes, there wouldn't have been a second try, or a it sorta works now let me dig deeper and see what else is out there..I'd have been back on the analogs ...my pet peeve if any is that anyone might unwittingly do that to a newbie by letting their love and emotion for a company rule over the facts and specs and info, and the suggestion that the newbie research what would work best for them..


Have you looked to see that it exists anywhere? Have you posted on ECF asking these specific questions? Because they all could have been answered. It almost seems to offend you that exactly what you require doesn't exist simply because "it's not too much to ask".
Actually I did ask as a newbie..and got the standard get a vapor king answer, along with the get a 510 answer, along with the get a mod answers...I'm still waiting for saw(whatever to get back to me and see f he can find that kit on V4L)..I did find something very close on another vendor (like I said I was willing to make that singular logo concession) though they dont list if theres a cutoff time or not...and of course it was harder to find because they too rebranded and are calling it an Ace


Look, I'm not rabidly defending V4L here, we could be talking about any vendor. I just find your disappointment a bit lacking in logic in some areas.

(As to people jumping on you in this thread... I think it might have something to do with you entering a V4L contest then coming into a thread in the V4L subforum and basically listing a ton of reason why you don't like them and sort of implying their customers are mean koolaid drinkers. So people got riled up.)

As I said I was responding to the original post that asked how anyone could seriously prefer the 510, and it really really struck me the wrong way, like I was simply wrong and stupid for my opinion...I was simply giving my reasons why I chose the way I did...often I don't pay attention to which sub forum a thread is on..I go to today's posts and read what I might find interesting or fun at that moment..the contest thread honestly I went to it that day (thinking it might be fun for a minute or 2) read some made 2 quick suggestions and thought no more about it til you pointed out that I'd won something (and I seriously had to go back and check my posts to see what I had entered and when)...just misfortunes of misfortunes that it happened to be after I'd already posted here but i didn't hunt out the subforum to post...
Never said straight out that I didn't like them, just that I didn't like their starter kits as there wasn't one that fit my needs (oh and I said that I didn't like the look of the multi logo batteries, that I prefer a sleeker look (hell my kid already thinks the LEDs are little flashlights and wants to play with them, I don't need my PV to look any more appealing and toylike to him)) ..as for the mean kool-aid drinkers thing....meh..


By the way can we please stop now...I stated my reasons why I chose the 510 first..and I'm sure we can agree to disagree...but I'm not going to stop defending my stance, of why I did something in the past the way I did...and it's just monopolizing a thread now..not to mention time better spent elsewhere..
 
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Exactly-
getting off analogs is the most important part.
no more 4000 chemicals per puff for me!
im sincerely hoping the few packs of marlboros i bought last night will be my last, altho i guess it depends how long it takes my VK to arrive:cool:
V-Dub amen on getting off those things..and if you did things right getting off them and onto vaping should be an almost seamless transition..I know it was for me smoked my last analog the morning before thanksgiving, luckily the mail showed early that day..
Though if you're getting cravings, you might need to play with mg strengths til you hit on what works best for you..I don't recall you saying what strengths you chose and if you got a couple different strengths
 

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After thinking about this discussion, if the new people would just read the stickies in the newbie forum then all this would be a non issue! They can learn there the differences between different models of ecigs then just use the forums to decide what vendor to buy from and tips on usage!

I mostly agree...but theres so damn many stickies...I think it should more make you go to the wonderful world of vaping (an illustrated guide) first ...and well more people should frequent the newbie forums ...when I started there it was mostly all newbies and that really was letting the blind lead the blind..
 

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V-Dub amen on getting off those things..and if you did things right getting off them and onto vaping should be an almost seamless transition..I know it was for me smoked my last analog the morning before thanksgiving, luckily the mail showed early that day..
Though if you're getting cravings, you might need to play with mg strengths til you hit on what works best for you..I don't recall you saying what strengths you chose and if you got a couple different strengths


i did get a few different strengths to play around with to see what works best for me.....ordered majority 24mg carts....also got some 18s just in case they were too strong or for times when i wanted to puff more but not ingest more nicotine, also got some 36mg in case i get a really bad craving.....ugh wish id ordered during the week instead of on a saturday lol....gives me an extra couple days to wait since sat/sun are not business days
 

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Well Drozd "saw-whatever his name is" is finally here, sorry I do have a little bit of a life outside of the forum.
No, Vapor4life does not have the kit you want, the do not have the shortie manual batteries yet, as I believe Birdy has already stated.
I am sure they are on the way, but not here yet.

When I read a post from a newbie asking about what to buy and being frustrated about finding something that works, I send them a PM suggesting Vapor4life. I explain how simple they are, how the just plain work and suggest they do their own research as I did and hope they come to the same conclusions I did.
I don't venture out in the main forum much, so that is limited to very few people.
V4L is the only ecig company I've dealt with, the only one I care to deal with. I've read and read, then read some more. When 90% of the threads on the 510 are about how to make it work, make it work better, or asking about how to make it work at all, I got turned off! When I found this sub-forum and these people are arguing what battery color is coolest and which flavor taste best, I got the idea this might be a product that WORKS?
I am sorry our enthusiasm is so overly annoying.
 

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Sorry if that sounded like I was picking on your name I was responding to someone elses post and honestly couldnt remember your full name only that it has the word saw in it so it became saw-whatever his name is (i was thinking buzzsaw, or chainsaw but just knew those weren't right)...as I was mid post.

Well Drozd "saw-whatever his name is" is finally here, sorry I do have a little bit of a life outside of the forum.
No, Vapor4life does not have the kit you want, the do not have the shortie manual batteries yet, as I believe Birdy has already stated.
I am sure they are on the way, but not here yet.
That was really my point (I wish it was different) but that began my reasoning for why I chose the 510 as my first kit. I had to make less concessions to find something that worked for me in the best hope to get off the analogs..there were kits to be had that fit all my needs and requirements (as a side note I really was cheering for you to succeed and prove me wrong and have to shell out that pack of cartos..sorry that wasn't the case)

When I read a post from a newbie asking about what to buy and being frustrated about finding something that works, I send them a PM suggesting Vapor4life. I explain how simple they are, how the just plain work and suggest they do their own research as I did and hope they come to the same conclusions I did.
Again, that's it you send them a PM that suggests V4L but suggests they do their own research...theres a fine line between suggesting a model based on facts and suggesting a supplier based on emotions..I do realize that often we cannot help but let that emotion out as it IS an emotional issue. After all, after years we've found something that we feel has saved our lives and given us hope when we didn't think there was any to be had on this issue and they make us feel better.
I don't venture out in the main forum much, so that is limited to very few people.
V4L is the only ecig company I've dealt with, the only one I care to deal with.
See here we differ, there are several round here that have reputations for awesome customer service and have some awesome products that I want to try several to make the absolute most of my vaping experience. When a newbie asks for a suggestion my response usually is simply to suggest reading the wonderful wide world of vaping thread, point out that the 510 and KR808D-1 are the 2 most popular models on ECF currently, touch briefly on the differences and what some feel are the pros and cons..and then seperately list several suppliers that have reputations of awesome customer service that carry both...and I do include V4L in that list.
I've read and read, then read some more. When 90% of the threads on the 510 are about how to make it work, make it work better, or asking about how to make it work at all, I got turned off!
And see I've seen the same threads equally as far as dissatisfaction or problems with the KR808D-1 and cartos or people just not satisfied with it as their first model..and discussions that unless you pitch the cartos after every use the so simple argument goes out the window once you start refilling them. If you really look at a bunch of tose 510 threads its more my method for this works better than your method for that and basically reinventing the whole thing and it does get rediculous. When I found this sub-forum and these people are arguing what battery color is coolest and which flavor taste best, I got the idea this might be a product that WORKS?
I am sorry our enthusiasm is so overly annoying. It's not the enthusiasm for the company..it's the rabid enthusiasm that goes to the extreme to say that opinions contrary to what you feel are somehow wrong, stupid or invalid..if it works for me, and I enjoy it, and it gets me off the analogs (which is the important part)..how can you say it's wrong or invalid (it's very much the flip-side, of you feeling I'm being down on your prefered company).. I just tried to subtract the emotion and present the logic I used behind my own personal choice..
 
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i did get a few different strengths to play around with to see what works best for me.....ordered majority 24mg carts....also got some 18s just in case they were too strong or for times when i wanted to puff more but not ingest more nicotine, also got some 36mg in case i get a really bad craving.....ugh wish id ordered during the week instead of on a saturday lol....gives me an extra couple days to wait since sat/sun are not business days
Sounds like you've got yourself a pretty good spread so you should be good..me I find I need that slightly higher strength in the morning to get going and take care of that first smoke in the morning craving ..something a little less and a less intrusive flavor for the majority of the day, and something else entirely different before bed..that's really the nice part of having multiple units..the ability to keep more than one thing ready at once..
As (oh god I have no idea how to spell her name) tarryn I think it was suggested...they are based in Chicago...you might be able to get away with calling them first thing on Monday and see if you can just arrange to pick up your order once they've filled it..if only there were a storefront eh..that might just make me a convert as I'm often traveling through there and the convienience of a store would be a HUGE selling point .
 

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I think we understand your position, can ya drop it now? Enjoy your 510. ( I have about 5 full set-ups I can sell you along with all the bells and whistles)
In respect to Sheryl, if you really feel like continuing to contest this with me please feel free to PM me and move it off thread...I agree with her that we really are beating a dead horse here (though it is amazingly on topic for the most part)..and really it's not in my nature to slink away and leave things said to me unanswered
 

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Sorry if that sounded like I was picking on your name I was responding to someone elses post and honestly couldnt remember your full name only that it has the word saw in it so it became saw-whatever his name is (i was thinking buzzsaw, or chainsaw but just knew those weren't right)...as I was mid post.


I didn't take it that way at all, I have a dry sense of humor that doesn't translate well over written word.

I am sorry that V4L does not have the batteries yet, you could howver purchase an adaptor and use your existing batts and try the cartomizers to see if that even issomething you would like to continue to persue. The adaptors are around $10 plus shipping.

I am certain the V4L isn't the only company with great service, but I rarely find it! I ussually get some jerk that wants to spend an hour on the phone arguing with me that I did something to whatever it is from the time I opened the box until I could call and tell them it was broken when I opened the box.
When I get service like that, I praise and recomend that company. Little Brown Smoke Shop being another company that has service that is close to V4L, and anyone asking me about MYO/SYO/RYO gets an earfull about them!

I see problems with the KRD8808 rarely, mainly it's failed batteries, which VK and V4L have really worked on those issues.
Perhaps it is "my mod works better, and this is how I made it beter" but as a newbie wanting to get into this, and wanting to quit with as little hastle as posible, nothing about that seemed intruiging to me! Why should you HAVE to do this or that to have a decent replacement?
But that is neither here nor there, I am happy with my choice as I hope you are.
 
A lot of practical info in this thread - thank you!

I received my first e-cig, Titan 510, two days ago. I was pretty happy to be able to 'smoke' without all the negatives associated with a cigarette. However, I somehow missed the 'minor' detail of having to top this thing off after every few puffs.

I bought one of these for my father in law too who is a heavy smoker. I seriously doubt he is going to continue to screw with this thing though.

Are there any mods to the 510 cartridge where you can use it for more than 5-6 puffs before refilling it?
 

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O.K.- I have now read this entire thread and and wondering (jenjen) why I have yet to pick up this little playmate. I am on the fence now. You've seen my stash and well, no mentioning to me it was missing something very important!!!! :( (I was looking at other mods) I think I should hold off for a little while, get the adapter to try the 808 carts on my 510 and see. Where did someone mention to pick one up? I think it was altsmoke.
 
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O.K.- I have now read this entire thread and and wondering (jenjen) why I have yet to pick up this little playmate. I am on the fence now. You've seen my stash and well, no mentioning to me it was missing something very important!!!! :( (I was looking at other mods) I think I should hold off for a little while, get the adapter to try the 808 carts on my 510 and see. Where did someone mention to pick one up? I think it was altsmoke.

Honestly, why would you put the cartos on a 510...part of my reason for wanting a KR808D-1 is because the battery lasts much longer..now getting the KR808d-1 kit, or an adapter to use a 510 atty on a KR808-1 battery I can totally see..but not so much putting a better carto on a worse battery...I don't think thats giving this device its full fair shot either..I know using the cartos on an HV device takes a 901 adapter (threads are the same) but I guess theres some airflow issues depending on new style or old style cartos and whether or not they've got grooves...
 

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I think I should hold off for a little while, get the adapter to try the 808 carts on my 510 and see. Where did someone mention to pick one up? I think it was altsmoke.

Hi HzG8rGrl-
Getting an adapter is a great way to try out cartos. You can get one really cheaply (altsmoke has the and cigtechs has one as well for $5.50).
It will allow you to keep using all those 510 batteries and with an adapter you can use cartos with any 510 mods.

Drozd
Adapters are great for people who decide to stick with the 510 as their primary device. It lets them use cartos when they're on the go, or if they aren't sure about switching to a 2 piece model without much investment.
I think they're really worth picking up. But you're right- if you do switch over to using cartos exclusively the battery life on 808 batteries is really phenomenal.
 

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DROZD- Actually I guess I left some info out-I have a xxxxxxxx (not to mention some other product) and I have tons of 510 Batteries. I know you don't have a crystal ball and can't read minds. I do however give everything and EVERYONE a full shot as you call it. I want to try the cartos. I purchased some on sale for a great price and would like to try them. I am on the fence about the full KR808D-1. Once I have my adapters I will get to enjoy trying 801/901 and 510 all interchangeable on my PV as I see fit.


Thanks BIRDY-That is what I want is to try the cartos.

It IS that time of the month and I have a 9mm. Back off buddy!!!! LOL:evil:
 

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Adapters are great for people who decide to stick with the 510 as their primary device. It lets them use cartos when they're on the go, or if they aren't sure about switching to a 2 piece model without much investment.
I think they're really worth picking up. But you're right- if you do switch over to using cartos exclusively the battery life on 808 batteries is really phenomenal.

Birdy-
I understand what you're saying...and I've picked up an adapter to use a 510 atty on a KR808D-1 battery.. what I was getting at was if you don't have the cartos or the battery it's almost more economical to pick up just a full KR808D-1 kit..putting a carto on a 510 battery is going a bit backwards as far as the performance goes...

That being said and now hearing that she already has cartos I'd amend my statement and say yeah adapter from one of the places you mentioned
 
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