Shortness of breath from e-cigs?

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Interesting? Are you kidding me bringing up that old chestnut? Typical ANTZ and BT BS again

Have no idea what you are saying here...chestnut? Typical ANTZ, BT?? Please enlighten me.

- cigarettes caused immediate changes in the airways of "healthy smokers"? ...? Compared to what?
Compared to control healthy smokers with e-cigs minus the "cartridges"

It was found out that the "immediate changes" were less volatile than getting a noseful of someone's stinky breath in your face. I'll bet that inhaling LA air has a damn sight more immediate changes in your airways than an e-cigarette.

Please post a link to the study you mention. I'd like to read it



Sorry guys, I know - Don't feed the trolls, but sometimes.....sheesh.

I'm not a troll. Just trying to find legit studies that help explain the SOB symptoms I currently have, which I got from vaping, and which hasn't gone away even after quitting cold turkey over a month ago.
 

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Fair enough, I apologize for thinking that.

"old chestnut" is just an expression - a much more rude interpretation would be crock of ****.

"ANTZ" is a social movement "Anti Nicotine and tobacco Zealots". They can occupy various positions in society, but the more vocal ones are generally backed by BP (big pharma), BT = "Big tobacco"

Please go to the CASAA site for information and education about the phenomenon of e-cigarettes.

CASAA: Greek e-cigarette study called "amateur propaganda"

And sorry for being rude. Verdict's still out on Eddie though...
 

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This is what I suspect this thread was about. Eddie has some type of anxiety disorder or is a hypochondriac. Something stressful is causing him perceived SOB. Got medical checks, including chest Xray only to be told he was fine, however he has to place blame on his perceived SOB somewhere. Remembered he purchased a gas station disposable ecig when he was getting gas one day to try it. Took a few puffs, he didnt like it because it was rubbish, and threw it away. A month later had a panic attack or something, and read a bunch of propaganda online which is why he stated "you are inhaling a bunch of chemicals" These are made in China" etc, and made the post thinking he would freak us all out and we would share his paranoia, not anticipating that we vapers have heard it all before. He wanted us to believe "OMG one vape can damage your body permanently" as he made clear was what he believed. If he was really concerned about his safety and the safety others, as i said before, he would tell us what he vaped and what vendor he bought it from so we could do a proper investigation in order to protect our own. He didnt know that we vape high quality USA made juice from reputable vendors. He thought all we had was unknown Chinese products and juice that might be contaminated etc... which is why he wont respond to the question of why he made the decision to purchase Chinese made juice instead of USA made juice. In my opinion, it was his intention to promote some type of unfounded scare tactic and paranoia to the uneducated vaper and label egics as dangerous products.
 

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Everyone who participated in that study was purposely selected because they has a pre-existing PG allergy, the participants were not randomly selected. The juice they were given to vape was pure PG. So of course they displayed classic PG allergic reactions. They should redo the study using 100% VG juice.

Where did you hear that the study selected folks with pre-existing PG allergies?
 
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I want to chime in on the shortness of breath issue. I was having the same symptoms, along with the classic PG allergies. Switched to 100% VG juice which knocked out my PG symptoms, but I was still having shortness of breath problems (also couldn't achieve a full inhale).

I switched to 100% VG juice and 100% organic and have FINALLY remedied my problems. No shortness of breath, no constant coughing, no inhalation issues. Just my two cents!
 

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It seems were all affected differently, for me vaping a high% VG juice caused pretty extreme shortness of breathe to where I could'nt sleep at night. It took about 2 weeks to get back to normal again after I stopped using the high% VG juice. I smoked for 3 decades and never had shortness of breathe like that.
 

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It seems were all affected differently, for me vaping a high% VG juice caused pretty extreme shortness of breathe to where I could'nt sleep at night. It took about 2 weeks to get back to normal again after I stopped using the high% VG juice. I smoked for 3 decades and never had shortness of breathe like that.

ditto

I have some 50/50 left and can't vape it when my seasonal allergies are active. Then I can't go over 30% VG but know I shouldn't even vape that much actually. So, not wanting to throw it out, I either DIY it to drop the VG or reserve it for winter vaping. But, along this line and having been okay with a particular DIY VG, I have researched and found that what the VG is made from may be a factor in this due to allergies. (I have a lot of trouble with glycol derived from coconut for instance.) The trouble is that most manufacturers don't say what "vegetable" they got it from on the label. And, enquiring of a vendor isn't going to help because they don't know either.
 
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Where did you hear that the study selected folks with pre-existing PG allergies?
its obvious they are displaying textbook allergic reaction. Of the thousands of people who vape, what are the chances EVERY SINGLE one of them reacted in the EXACT SAME way in this study? In order to make a factual claim based on experiment, the results must be repeatable and every variable must be included. One study was performed and based on that a conclusion was stated as fact. The study is flawed and clearly staged to get the desired results. "This is the first evidence that just one (e-cigarette) use can have acute physiologic effects" I worked in a B&M and literally saw hundreds of people vape for the first time in their life with no complaints. Yet this study gathered a small amount of people and ALL displayed the same reaction of airways constriction. It doenst add up. I would like to see the study repeated with VG. Also, I have seen this study posted several places but never any results.
 

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its obvious they are displaying textbook allergic reaction. Of the thousands of people who vape, what are the chances EVERY SINGLE one of them reacted in the EXACT SAME way in this study? In order to make a factual claim based on experiment, the results must be repeatable and every variable must be included. One study was performed and based on that a conclusion was stated as fact. The study is flawed and clearly staged to get the desired results. "This is the first evidence that just one (e-cigarette) use can have acute physiologic effects" I worked in a B&M and literally saw hundreds of people vape for the first time in their life with no complaints. Yet this study gathered a small amount of people and ALL displayed the same reaction of airways constriction. It doenst add up. I would like to see the study repeated with VG. Also, I have seen this study posted several places but never any results.

So, it's just your opinion that the participants in the study had PG allergies... pfff :)

The study looks legit to me. The results are what they are - they were measuring subtle changes in airflow and exhaled nitrous oxide, or FENO, which is a legit marker for measuring airway inflammation . Importantly, the study does not mention anything about user/participant symptoms, because there probably were none. .---they were measuring subtle changes in ariflow/inflammation, not SOB symptoms... The study isn't perfect, I'll admit that---they did not determine which ingredient, or combination of ingredients, caused decreases in airflow/Nitrous oxide, and as another forum member commented, the control group wasn't ideal since it consisted of participants smoking e-cigs without the cartridges (lol)
 

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It really sounds to me more like something else is going on with Eddie. I'll ask one more time - what was the juice you used and via what device? Let's not forget there could be a bunch of other things that occurred around that time - stripping popcorn ceilings, stripping paint off a wall older than say 1975, sawdust from carpentry on treated wood, allergy to something in the environment particularly during the summer, stress from a personal, academic or work situation, lyme disease, all sorts of things that could have triggered SOB. Here's two big ones to also consider - mold in your house,(have you had a busted pipe recently, or has the neighbor if your house is attached or semi detached?) or sweeping a dusty basement, garage or attic floor without a mask (dust from rodent droppings). For anyone who has SOB, - and as one poster has already mentioned, - it could be high sensitivity to PG- including flavorings that use it, even if the bottle is filled with 100% VG and presented as 100%VG. Heathers Heavenly Vapes has a Purity Line which is completely absent of PG. I think, Eddie, you need to look at other things you were doing or are doing in addition to that one time vape of one cartridge.
 

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It's sad that this is what we have devolved to. Arguments and insinuations revolving around the "unknown and long-term side effects" while forgetting that the whole point is that we are supposed to be comparing it to traditional cigarettes, and other tobacco and nicotine products. We know much more about the long-term and well-documented side effects of using traditional tobacco and other nicotine products and NRT products. And the comparison on that point is overwhelmingly on the side of electronic cigarettes, even despite the lack of research. Electronic cigarettes have not existed long enough to even have long-term data from which to derive any conclusions yet. And as for unknown side effects? They are just that, unknown. Until we can get more research done, and it would have to be done by us as a community to try and ensure the integrity and relevance, the only evidence we can utilize is anecdotal and correlative. Or in other words, not very scientific. The OP's stance that he is afraid that his small usage of an E-cig, one time, led to his current debilitating symptoms is gobs of both kinds of evidence.

But, to be fair. It is still evidence. Evidence that vaping is not recommended for those who have no history of nicotine use. Evidence that inhaling anything from any device, lets say, a PV or an inhaler, is likely to cause some sort of effect on lungs that have never been exposed to such compounds. And I would have to agree on that point. The next step is to compare that to the side effects of traditional methods of acquiring nicotine and compare the results between the 2 studies. As a ex-smoker of 12 years, and a total convert to vaping of nearly 2 years, I would have to disagree and point out that EVEN IF vaping is "proven" to be worse than not vaping, kind of a given IMO, it will still be FAR LESS DAMAGING than what it's replacing.

And to the OP. I don't want to come across as being really harsh against you or your current situation and concerns, assuming you are being honest and forthright with us here, I am genuinely sorry to hear that you are suffering and feel that the likely cause is E-cigs. As a community, some here would go so far as to organize and help run and fund a charity to support and help pay for the medical needs of a fellow member. And one reason for this desire and dedication is the united nature that arises from everyone having been able to get away from the financial and health burden imposed by their addiction to a product literally guaranteed to kill you sooner rather than later (and not very pleasantly I might add) and switch to a better way of sustaining their habit. People are upset because by flouting "facts" like you have been lead to misinformation, misinformation leads to people being misled into other things, like poor or harmful legislation or into blind rhetoric, or maintaining the health-care full nelson we have been convinced many of us need and are necessary to be "well".
I wish you luck and a full recovery, there was a post earlier mentioning the mind-over-matter aspect of anxiety, I'd look into something holistic like that first before you let the doctors make that SOB worse for you with their diagnosis'.
 

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Somebody else had these symptoms in 2009 /10 but he was a light vaper and it was a shortness that he couldn't quite pin down it got better when he stopped but it gave him a fright. I don't know if he got 100% again only because I stopped vaping altogether and have been nicotine free well over two years. I do credit vaping but I credit liquid nicotine nasal spray even more for stopping.
My advice would be for anyone who feels shortness of breath for whatever reason (its hard to pin it on vaping) get a CAT Lung slice xray which shows your lung doctor a specific copd related condition that chest Xrays don't pick up. It's treatable. Above all don't freak out.
Thats what happened to me. thats why I stopped and it all started with a vague feeling of breathlessness but I wont say vaping caused it, because I have no proof and it could have been caused by something else. Interestingly its a condition that NON SMOKERS get more than smokers do
What I noticed when I was vaping and was eventually diagnosed with was Bronchiectasis
 
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This is obviously a mental health issue not an e cig one. OP I sincerely hope you were able to find the help you need. I know how terrible SOB can be. Best wishes!

I apologize in advance for my next statement but I'm going to call it like I see it.

The previous poster should of said, "I know how terrible mental illness can be."

This argument is like me saying the Chinese food I had a month ago just gave me ......... Does that make sense? No, it doesn't...

Lastly, how did the OP even post in this forum? Did he stalk the newbie forum for a couple of days and troll opinions just so he could come here and ask this? As you can probably see by my post count, I'm not a long term member, I don't presume to speak for the member community here, and I expect to probably get admonished for my post. But I had to say something, this guy is just trolling.
 

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I apologize in advance for my next statement but I'm going to call it like I see it.

The previous poster should of said, "I know how terrible mental illness can be."

This argument is like me saying the Chinese food I had a month ago just gave me ......... Does that make sense? No, it doesn't...

Lastly, how did the OP even post in this forum? Did he stalk the newbie forum for a couple of days and troll opinions just so he could come here and ask this? As you can probably see by my post count, I'm not a long term member, I don't presume to speak for the member community here, and I expect to probably get admonished for my post. But I had to say something, this guy is just trolling.

Without reference to the OP, Wes, I've noticed mainly 3 "types" who post these kinds of questions: vapers who've experienced health-related problems and who post objective questions to other vapers about similar experiences; vapers who may be obsessive and/or are experiencing anxiety-related issues that they attribute to vaping; and, lastly, those we call trolls.

It's often hard to distinguish between the latter two, and in any event, neither in my experience is going to be influenced by any responses they get here. Usually, either they are simply looking for affirmation of their fears (the anxious ones) or they are simply looking to rabble-rouse and start negative sounding threads for the ANTZ to cull for their "studies." The anxious ones usually need the kind of help they're not going to find on an internet forum.

Personally, I'm always willing to assume the best at first and reply if I can. Common courtesy drives me to give them the benefit of the doubt. Up to a point. When and if I realize I can't help, I move on.
 
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