Should ALL reviews be compared to the Provari?
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If you change watts, you do so by changing volts. If you change volts, you change watts. It really is that simple. Why the "variable" part of VV or VW is lost on those who have grabbed hold of the VW idea as being different and/or revolutionary is beyond my understanding. If with my VW devices I want to change the temperature, I turn a wheel or push a button to do so. If with my VV devices I want to change the temperature I turn a wheel or push a button. If you are chaging attys or carots 20 or 30 times a day, then you simply vape much differently than I do and I find it a little odd. I'm glad you enjoy so much hassle of changing attys and carotos so often, but I still think it's a little strange.
I think that because the circumstances where electricity behavior does not comply to ohms law are very rare and very specific. In fact, there are only three circumstances and I listed two of them. What's interesting is that you somehow think that a regulator of any sort changes the behavior of electricity and somehow creates an existence of a situation where PVs may be behaving exactly as if they were in use (at very very high voltage) at zero kelvin and therefore behaving outside ohms law. It simply isn't true, but you seem to believe it is. That, my fellow-ecf-er is fascinating. It appears I was right. You have crossed the rubicon.
Well that sort of brought back a memory. One of my husbands students (he is a speach therapist in an elementary school) when shown a picture of kitchen tongs and asked what they were popped out with "Chicken wings gitters!"
Lemme break it down for you.
E (voltage) = I (current) * R (resistance) = 1 of the 3 variations of ohms law. ( I=E/R, R=V/I)
Watts and Voltage are NOT interchangeable becasue
P (power or watts) = E (voltage) * I (current)
Watts is what determines how hot your coil burns.
If you have a 1.8 ohm atomizer and put 4 volts on it, it is going to draw about 2.2A and produce about 8.9 W. Now if you change your atomizer to a 2.4 ohm on the same 4 volts, it is going to draw about 1.7A and produce 6.7 W which will produce less vapor and be a cooler vape compared to the same volts on the 1.8 ohms. Which is why when you change to higher resistance atomizers you need to increase the volts.
Now if you have a 1.8 ohm atomizer and set your mod to 12W, your going to draw about 2.6A from the battery at 4.6V.
2.4 ohm atomizer set at 12W, you are drawing 2.2A from the battery at 5.4V.
So by setting the voltage, your experience should be relatively consistent as long as you don't change resistances. By setting the wattage, your experience should be relatively consistent regardless of the resistance as long as your mod can handle the draws to provide the determined wattage. And I say relatively consistent, because things like the surface area of your coils and how much juice is in your mod will make a difference to a certain extent as well. But on a strictly formula/numbers basis, this is how it works.
So yes, by demanding an increased wattage from the same circuit, your going to have to increase your voltage, and yes by increasing your voltage on the same circuit, your watts are going to increase. But wattage is a measure, voltage is the electric pressure. Your battery supplies voltage at whatever you set it to, and the power being produced is measured in watts. When you set the watts, your circuit supplies voltage based on your resistance and amperage to obtain the desired wattage.
Or you can combine ohm's law and the electrical formula for power to get P(watts) = V2(volts)/ R(ohms) and see that V≠P
You adjust voltage to achieve different wattage. You dont adjust wattage, your voltage adjusts to achieve the wattage you set.
I guess my point is. If you change atomizers and have it at in VV mode, you are going to have to change your voltage to get your desired vape. If you change atomizers and have it in VW mode, you shouldn't have to adjust anything to get your desired vape.
You adjust voltage to achieve different wattage. You dont adjust wattage, your voltage adjusts to achieve the wattage you set.
I guess my point is. If you change atomizers and have it at in VV mode, you are going to have to change your voltage to get your desired vape. If you change atomizers and have it in VW mode, you shouldn't have to adjust anything to get your desired vape.
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I use one bottom feeding RDA all day, everyday. Now you can relax knowing there is one less strange thing out there to be confused about
So....
Why can't you understand that wattage is the measurement we are perceiving as "temperature" in the vaping experience?
The whole idea is you set it to a "temperature" you like, and never have to adjust it ever again. Variable Wattage is like setting a thermostat that regulates the heat your furnace pumps out (voltage) to maintain a specified ambient temperature (wattage).
The ironic thing is I don't even use a regulated device... I control my temperature by being in control of the resistance of the coils I build, knowing that my voltage is going to be a constant straight off the battery, and I like my "temperature" (wattage) much higher than most all regulated devices can offer.
Three ways to skin a cat. VW wins for ease of use concerning most users. The Provari don't have it.
Regardless, I'm just here to have fun with Provari fanatics and pimp waffles. (or was that chew bubble gum and kick ...?)
My fault. Yes, I did say based on Performance but, I did not define performance. Reviews say, by the people loved in this forum, that the Provari delivers a consistent, smooth vape that does not stop until the battery is dead. I guess that is what my criteria was. Of course it ended up with a few folks dragging it into the bathroom, pulling down their collective pants and daring each other to compare weenies. After all, once the thread got down to that level it seemed many were willing to participate. I don't know all the cool names to call devices but I thought in simple terms the Provari is like my evic in that, you are able to screw on tanks and cartridges and vape. I just wanted to know if your friends on youtube say it is the best or whatever they agree on the best for that type, shouldn't the SAME types be compared to each other? I'm gonna take full blame for most not understanding me. After all, it is the third time I've tried. I'm old and it is after 5am on Sunday.
How about this...I wanted a Provari very bad until I read and watched how ridiculously cumbersome the menu system is. So, what is as good, with a great menu and has years of proof behind it because of it's great build AND support? Fair?
How about this...I wanted a Provari very bad until I read and watched how ridiculously cumbersome the menu system is. So, what is as good, with a great menu and has years of proof behind it because of it's great build AND support? Fair?
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BAM beautiful example. Im done now lol. I personally prefer sub ohm mechs as well anyways.
and @ OP, dont stress it, you just poked a sleeping bear lol, dont take what everybody says to heart. In response to your original question, in my opinion, you could compare the provari to other vv/vw mods like the VAMO, Sigelei Zmax, or the evic, but I would not compare it to a mechanical mod or a standard ego. Just my straigtforward, not immature bull.... opinion to your question
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Well you did title your thread "Should ALL reviews be compared to the Provari"
Not much room for misunderstanding there.
The Provari is a great mod by most accounts, if you want one buy one, but to say it is the best for ALL isn't correct.
Your own concern about the menu is a good example, if you want a mod with a 2/3 button menu system what use is having EVERY SINGLE REVIEW you look at comparing to a Provari.
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Breakfast Time!!Waffles.
Old Man keels over............my heart......my heart.........Syrup?
This is just another example of how we get emotionally attached to our "stuff".
We always need validation for our choices. What we buy or what we don't buy. We always want someone to tell us we made the right decision.
Thus we have fanbois and haters.
Personally, I chose "not" to buy a ProVari. Came really close. But several things swayed me at the final analysis:
1. ProVari is not variable wattage. I set my battery to 7.0 watts and forget it.
2. ProVari does not have Ego threads. All my tanks are Ego threaded. I don't want to buy an adapter.
3. For less than the price of a single ProVari without batteries I picked up 2 MVP 2.0's and a iTaste vv3.
Do I think they are "better" than a ProVari? No. Do I think they are a better "value"? Absolutely. If I drop or lose an MVP, I don't have to dig up another $180.00. For me the MVP and VV3 have a more convenient form factor as well.
I can deal with the "lower build quality" of these "disposables". I get satisfactory performance at a much lower price point.
Like so many people have said on this thread already. It's not important what is "best". It's important with what's best for you.
We always need validation for our choices. What we buy or what we don't buy. We always want someone to tell us we made the right decision.
Thus we have fanbois and haters.
Personally, I chose "not" to buy a ProVari. Came really close. But several things swayed me at the final analysis:
1. ProVari is not variable wattage. I set my battery to 7.0 watts and forget it.
2. ProVari does not have Ego threads. All my tanks are Ego threaded. I don't want to buy an adapter.
3. For less than the price of a single ProVari without batteries I picked up 2 MVP 2.0's and a iTaste vv3.
Do I think they are "better" than a ProVari? No. Do I think they are a better "value"? Absolutely. If I drop or lose an MVP, I don't have to dig up another $180.00. For me the MVP and VV3 have a more convenient form factor as well.
I can deal with the "lower build quality" of these "disposables". I get satisfactory performance at a much lower price point.
Like so many people have said on this thread already. It's not important what is "best". It's important with what's best for you.
Isn't this what Makes all these Provari vs ___________ Threads kinda Silly?
So what this boils down to is "I don't need it, therefore nobody needs it".
There are a whole load of people who think automatic focus is pointless on a camera as well. Mostly they just say "I'd rather use manual focus", instead of "automatic focus is exactly the same, there's no difference, here are some laws of optics to prove it..."
You're Right Stosh.
I think People who eat French Toast are Sissies.
There, I said It! Let the Flame War Begin.
To the OP. The answer my friend is blowing in the wind. The answer is blowing in the wind.
Bite my French toast!
No........wait.........I want it.........and the Waffles/Syrup........Bacon and sausage links and a side of scrambled eggs and bowl of Grits.
Can someone catch the bill?
No........wait.........I want it.........and the Waffles/Syrup........Bacon and sausage links and a side of scrambled eggs and bowl of Grits.
Can someone catch the bill?
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