should we be stocking up just in case

[Daryll]

Knowing the UK, I can't see them banning e-cigs... they'll just tax them.

Despite the gov'ment saying they'd like people to stop smoking, if the whole country gave up tomorrow the Uk would be bankrupt in a month through loss of taxes.

If they see a lot of people moving to e-cigs, they'll just start adding tax to juice.

 

[wv2win]

It's great that so many new members who have been reading this thread have joined CASAA.

Please do one more thing (other than also financially support CASAA): add the CASAA banner to your signature like the one below my and Baditude's posts. The more new members who see the CASAA banner, the more they will check it out no matter what part of ECF they are reading. You can get the banner on the CASAA web site and add it to all of your posts. We need to make joining CASAA second nature for everyone who vapes.

 

[Baditude]

It's great that so many new members who have been reading this thread have joined CASAA.

Please do one more thing (other than also financially support CASAA): add the CASAA banner to your signature like the one below my and Baditude's posts. The more new members who see the CASAA banner, the more they will check it out no matter what part of ECF they are reading. You can get the banner on the CASAA web site and add it to all of your posts. We need to make joining CASAA second nature for everyone who vapes.

I agree. I'm not a political-type person by nature and up until the last couple of weeks I shyed away from making such posts. But realizing the incredible world-wide impact the upcoming FDA rulings will have in the future of e-cigarettes across the globe has encouraged me to get people to learn the facts and not be ignorant on heresay or rumors.

You can stock up on supplies all you want, but you can only obtain a finite supply for yourself. Why not also become an active member and support the one organization that supports your special interests? Ignorance and inactivity will be the downfall of e-cigarettes worldwide. Knowledge and positive activity will be their saving grace.

FIGHT FOR YOUR RIGHT TO VAPE!

 

[Mountain_Rain96]

Even though I've only been vaping for a few months, I started stockpiling a couple of months ago, when I read about the uncertain future this industry is facing, at least here in the States. It really makes my blood boil, too. All my adult life I've heard people harping about quitting smoking, and when 'we' do finally quit, they (non-smokers) want to tax us into oblivion or take vaping away from us altogether. The very thing that HELPED us quit!

 

[XeniaMike]

Bad: I signed up. Just imagining people being forced back to cigarettes is scary in itself.

 

[ryantherobot]

Ban away, I'll be vaping for the rest of my life no matter what. Big tobacco has had its run for decades, its time we take a stand as the vaping community and raise the middle finger (as we take a vape of course)....

 

[grandmato5]

IMO creating a stash is a good idea as a hedge against possible difficulty in getting vaping supplies IF the FDA does make that difficult and/or as a hedge against possible increased prices because of high taxes or even state enacted laws limiting our ability to get our vaping supplies BUT you could also be wasting a lot of money IF for whatever reason you don't end up using the items you've put into your stash.

The toys in the vaping world change quickly. Yesterdays new great toys quickly become old when the next new toy comes on the market. If you can be happy with your "old" toys even if our vaping world doesnt take a huge hit via the FDA or taxation or state enacting laws that's great but if you haven't been vaping for long OR are the type of person that is always looking for the next best thing you could find yourself with a stash of no longer wanted items.

If you are going to create a stash, choose carefully

Joining and supporting CASAA is the BEST thing everyone can do right now. BUT joining CASAA and then sitting back and doing nothing personally to keep our vaping world a reality won't save the vaping world. We each as individuals have to do our part to educate others as to the truth about vaping and why its important to keep vaping an option for those that need it. We have to be willing to stand up and be proactive and not just reactive for what is important to us in each of our own little worlds and the world as a whole.

 

[Baditude]

IMO creating a stash is a good idea as a hedge against possible difficulty in getting vaping supplies IF the FDA does make that difficult and/or as a hedge against possible increased prices because of high taxes or even state enacted laws limiting our ability to get our vaping supplies BUT you could also be wasting a lot of money IF for whatever reason you don't end up using the items you've put into your stash.

The toys in the vaping world change quickly. Yesterdays new great toys quickly become old when the next new toy comes on the market. If you can be happy with your "old" toys even if our vaping world doesnt take a huge hit via the FDA or taxation or state enacting laws that's great but if you haven't been vaping for long OR are the type of person that is always looking for the next best thing you could find yourself with a stash of no longer wanted items.

If you are going to create a stash, choose carefully

Joining and supporting CASAA is the BEST thing everyone can do right now. BUT joining CASAA and then sitting back and doing nothing personally to keep our vaping world a reality won't save the vaping world. We each as individuals have to do our part to educate others as to the truth about vaping and why its important to keep vaping an option for those that need it. We have to be willing to stand up and be proactive and not just reactive for what is important to us in each of our own little worlds and the world as a whole.

Thank you Grandamato5 for finally speaking up on this issue. I probably admire and respect your comments more than any other member here, and had been hoping for you to voice your commentary on this subject.

 

[ryantherobot]

i think we will be okay as long as these petitions get signed. The people have the power!!

 

[indyceo39]

I predict with the amount of information out there right now, the direction this community will move in, when and if e-cigs are regulated, will be DIY. Long lasting mods, DIY flavoring for juices and concentrated nicotine liquid are the things i have stocked up right now. Even if the FDA bans ecigs completely, i will still be vaping away.

Thanks for the information. Where can we find this type of information in the event this ban is indeed going to happen? Thanks again.

 

[brooke2775]

It will be here Im sure, there is a diy thread

 

[dsy5]

Dont know how they will/can tax nicotine as almost everyone buys it online.

Tax will be be charged to the main suppliers and the increase will be passed on to the consumers.

The easiest way to ban smething is to make it so expensive, no one will buy it.

 

[stacee jaxx]

I really feel as though people don't take any notice of what is actually going on at all.

I mentioned in an earlier post that any regulations imposed will be to keep vendors in line. One or two people have agreed with me but why anyone would take my comments out of context and repeatedly say that the FDA is out to get everyone, and sounding pretty paranoid is a mystery to me. Every "supposed" reason under the sun has been used in this thread to try to explain why the FDA are taking action. Doesn't anyone here think there will be a reasonable outcome ?.

You all buy supermarket products right ?. Well mainly women do the groceries don't they. Let me tell you that certain requirements are expected by the consumer. I've mentioned all of it in an earlier post. The FDA is going to come down "hard" on the vendors. It is that simple !. And a good thing too !. So what if you find you can't get supplies ?, then your vendor hasn't complied with the new regulations !. And will not be allowed to trade until they do. This really isn't a difficult paradigm to come to terms with.

Oh while we are on the subject of conspiracy theories.

.........................It was lee oswald that shot john kennedy.........Not bingo the clown or jack the hat or the FDA.

 

[Baditude]

Dont know how they will/can tax nicotine as almost everyone buys it online.

That's not hard to figure out. US vendors regulated to sell nicotine liquid will simply add on the cost of the nicotine tax when you purchase it. Of course, that's assuming that nicotine liquid is not banned altogether.

Customs can seize nicotine e-liquid purchased from other countries not affected by US regulations. This is happening in Canada now.

The tobacco companies will want to sell nicotine only in the cigalike pre-filled cartridges such as Blu e-cigs, as that is how they can control the market best. Not only will it be highly taxed by the government, but your options of DIY will be effectively stymied as Big Tobacco will be pushing for bottled nicotine to be outlawed for sale by e-juice vendors. This will not get any love from people who would rather use other juice delivery devices such as atomizers, cartotanks, vivi novas, clearomizers, or RBA's.

 

[Baditude]

I really feel as though people don't take any notice of what is actually going on at all.

I mentioned in an earlier post that any regulations imposed will be to keep vendors in line. One or two people have agreed with me but why anyone would take my comments out of context and repeatedly say that the FDA is out to get everyone, and sounding pretty paranoid is a mystery to me. Every "supposed" reason under the sun has been used in this thread to try to explain why the FDA are taking action. Doesn't anyone here think there will be a reasonable outcome ?.

You all buy supermarket products right ?. Well mainly women do the groceries don't they. Let me tell you that certain requirements are expected by the consumer. I've mentioned all of it in an earlier post. The FDA is going to come down "hard" on the vendors. It is that simple !. And a good thing too !. So what if you find you can't get supplies ?, then your vendor hasn't complied with the new regulations !. And will not be allowed to trade until they do. This really isn't a difficult paradigm to come to terms with.

Not trying to pick a fight, but I think it is YOU who hasn't taken notice of what the FDA has tried to do with e-cigarettes in the past.

Have you even read the The FDA & Deeming Regulations of E-cigarettes? Paired up with the FDA's past attempts to effectively outlaw e-cigs entirely, you have the special interest groups who either want e-cigs banned (anti-smoking groups and Big Pharmacy) or regulated to suit their own needs to gain a monopoly on the market (Big Tobacco).

Playing like an ostrich with its head in the sand will get you nothing but regret that you didn't become more active in protecting your basic right to vape should the FDA cave in to the special interest groups, who all have strong lobbyists in Washington.

Believing that the FDA and government is only concerned about consumer safety issues is foolhardy and ignorant of the past. If you somehow still believe they are, how do you explain the continued existance of tobacco cigarettes with all of their proven health issues? How do you explain away the fact that there are counties that have already banned e-cigarettes in your United States of America? Our governments and the FDA are driven by political lobbyists and big money and NOT by idealistic consumer needs.

 

[Hulamoon]

With all due respect, have you read any of the legislative forum? Show me any state in the country that isn't being led by the nose from completely lunatic ANTZ lobbyists and politicos who are in turn paid by big pharma. This isn't even much to do with the FDA anymore.

How about reading about the very recent FDA 6-7 month cover up of Chantix, - yes, good ol' "All Hail Chantix, cigarette killer" where they KNEW the bigger doses did NOT work in the same way as half the doses, because they didn't demand that pharma run the tests, and didn't let the public know.

Then come back and tell me you still have a credible argument.

I really feel as though people don't take any notice of what is actually going on at all.

I mentioned in an earlier post that any regulations imposed will be to keep vendors in line. One or two people have agreed with me but why anyone would take my comments out of context and repeatedly say that the FDA is out to get everyone, and sounding pretty paranoid is a mystery to me. Every "supposed" reason under the sun has been used in this thread to try to explain why the FDA are taking action. Doesn't anyone here think there will be a reasonable outcome ?.

You all buy supermarket products right ?. Well mainly women do the groceries don't they. Let me tell you that certain requirements are expected by the consumer. I've mentioned all of it in an earlier post. The FDA is going to come down "hard" on the vendors. It is that simple !. And a good thing too !. So what if you find you can't get supplies ?, then your vendor hasn't complied with the new regulations !. And will not be allowed to trade until they do. This really isn't a difficult paradigm to come to terms with.

Oh while we are on the subject of conspiracy theories.

.........................It was lee oswald that shot john kennedy.........Not bingo the clown or jack the hat or the FDA.

 

[stacee jaxx]

Not trying to pick a fight, but I think it is YOU who hasn't taken notice of what the FDA has tried to do with e-cigarettes in the past.

Have you even read the The FDA & Deeming Regulations of E-cigarettes? Paired up with the FDA's past attempts to effectively outlaw e-cigs entirely, you have the special interest groups who either want e-cigs banned (anti-smoking groups and Big Pharmacy) or regulated to suit their own needs to gain a monopoly on the market (Big Tobacco).

Playing like an ostrich with its head in the sand will get you nothing but regret that you didn't become more active in protecting your basic right to vape should the FDA cave in to the special interest groups, who all have strong lobbyists in Washington. Believing that the FDA is only concerned about consumer safety issues is fool hardy and ignorant of the past. If you somehow still believe they are, how do you explain the continued existance of tobacco cigarettes with all of their proven health issues?

I can see why you say what you say. But how many vendors sell their fluids in packaging that is similar to every single product on the shelves thoughout the civilised world ? None , none of them do. And it seems to me that any regulations would be ignored by vendors. Don't ask me why ?. What ?, imported nicotine fluids are being seized by customs. Well maybe those bottles should have a label on them that says what's in the bottle. Or maybe customs do have all the time in the world to test hundreds of thousands of bottles of nicotine fluid. If you want to blame anyone for a ban or regulations being imposed blame the cowboy vendors. Blame the vendors !!.

 

[Greg Gieler]

Being new to the forums and to vaping all together. My opinion will not matter much so I wont put it out there until I have fully researched this topic. I do think its hilarious that they are trying to ban them though. Why? Because one of the complaints is "we dont know how harmful it is to be inhaling pure nicotine" But its ok for us to smoke Analogs?

Some of the more popular ingredients:

Arsenic - Poison
Stearic Acid
Ammonia
Methanol
Butane
Hexamine
Carbon Monoxide
Cadranium
Methane
Benzene
Formaldehyde
Lead-210 (Pb-210) and polonium-210 (Po-210) - RADIOACTIVE METALS
Hydrogen Cyanide

Thats just a few things.... So, should people really worry about what inhaling pure Nicotine will do or should we really worry about what the government thinks is ok to tax so they get their cut?

 

[Hulamoon]

What? What on earth....? Ummmm....? You do know the world is made up of more than just North America and this universal banning and deeming and other assorted b-s has nothing to do with the Hail Almighty US FDA and that they're just another agency at the bidding of the power brokers in pharma and politics....

don't you?

I can see why you say what you say. But how many vendors sell their fluids in packaging that is similar to every single product on the shelves thoughout the civilised world ? None , none of them do. And it seems to me that any regulations would be ignored by vendors. Don't ask me why ?. What ?, imported nicotine fluids are being seized by customs. Well maybe those bottles should have a label on them that says what's in the bottle. Or maybe customs do have all the time in the world to test hundreds of thousands of bottles of nicotine fluid. If you want to blame anyone for a ban or regulations being imposed blame the cowboy vendors. Blame the vendors !!.

 

[Scoop224]

I really feel as though people don't take any notice of what is actually going on at all.

I mentioned in an earlier post that any regulations imposed will be to keep vendors in line. One or two people have agreed with me but why anyone would take my comments out of context and repeatedly say that the FDA is out to get everyone, and sounding pretty paranoid is a mystery to me. Every "supposed" reason under the sun has been used in this thread to try to explain why the FDA are taking action. Doesn't anyone here think there will be a reasonable outcome ?.

You all buy supermarket products right ?. Well mainly women do the groceries don't they. Let me tell you that certain requirements are expected by the consumer. I've mentioned all of it in an earlier post. The FDA is going to come down "hard" on the vendors. It is that simple !. And a good thing too !. So what if you find you can't get supplies ?, then your vendor hasn't complied with the new regulations !. And will not be allowed to trade until they do. This really isn't a difficult paradigm to come to terms with.

Oh while we are on the subject of conspiracy theories.

.........................It was lee oswald that shot john kennedy.........Not bingo the clown or jack the hat or the FDA.

I'm a man, and I do the grocery shopping for my family.

Your theory on Kennedy is amusing. Completely wrong, bit amusing that you buy that story the Warren Commision pooped out. I'd talk to you about e-cigs all you want, but you're on another planet concerning your politics.