Tell me about the carcinogens that are produced by candles.....
should we be stocking up just in case
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Tell me about the carcinogens that are produced by candles.....
Uh, we can't because most of us don't stick 'em in our mouths and then inhale them, but I'm pretty sure they don't have MOAI's, arsenic, tar and nail polish remover in them.
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As Vapers, we have a thousand things working against us.
(I am not going to list the thousand things ...
)
Just a few...
There is the general public...'What is that scary looking thing...with the 'smoke' coming out of it ?'
The smokers...'That ain't a smoke !', 'Does it work ?', 'It looks like......', 'How much does it cost ?', 'Ain't seen them around'...
'O' yea, friend tried one of those.....', 'What if the battery runs out ?'.......etc.
BT: They have done the marketing studies, profitability studies, manufacturing and distribution studies...and I believe they have come to the conclusion that it would be far to costly and far to unprofitable for them to do anything but a weak showing of interest in the e-cig business.
(They may do a minor play with cig-a-likes...but as we all know, this is not just a buy em and light them up thing.)
For BT-The money is not in the initial purchase of the vape appliance...it is in 'replete' sales of e-juice.
Because of the few common ingredients in e-juice, I am sure that this is not going to be a profitable sales area for them.
I am also SURE that they are going to sit back and let big pharma, the FDA and the state taxmen and tax women squash their completion, keeping status quo- that is their best hope.
BP: In bed with the FDA, screaming that 'there are not enough studies'....but won't do any, because they might find a HUGE success rate and a VERY LOW to non-existent danger. There is no profit for them here at all, and a possible loss of hundreds of millions to billions in furture earnings.
Then, there is the taxing authorities and politicians. They are scared...and they should be. Their gravy train is coming in to the depot- where it will be retired. As usual, they did not feel the winds of change, and save up some of that tobacco settlement money. They missed the transformative power of vaping and are destined to lose trillions of dollars of tax income.
I don't think they can make up this much money in taxes...unless they go for beer, wine, liquor-coffee, tea, and soda like they have gone for cigarettes for taxes !
Vaping can...and will become 'The Game Changer' for a lot of people and 'industries'.
We, and they-can embrace it...or fight for 'status quo'...but everyone with common sense knows that never works.
"First- they ignore you...
Then, they laugh at you...
Then, they fight you...
Then, You Win"
- Mahatma Gandhi
Do your part to fight for the right to vape and be tobacco free...join and help CASAA today.
(I am not going to list the thousand things ...
)Just a few...
There is the general public...'What is that scary looking thing...with the 'smoke' coming out of it ?'
The smokers...'That ain't a smoke !', 'Does it work ?', 'It looks like......', 'How much does it cost ?', 'Ain't seen them around'...
'O' yea, friend tried one of those.....', 'What if the battery runs out ?'.......etc.
BT: They have done the marketing studies, profitability studies, manufacturing and distribution studies...and I believe they have come to the conclusion that it would be far to costly and far to unprofitable for them to do anything but a weak showing of interest in the e-cig business.
(They may do a minor play with cig-a-likes...but as we all know, this is not just a buy em and light them up thing.)
For BT-The money is not in the initial purchase of the vape appliance...it is in 'replete' sales of e-juice.
Because of the few common ingredients in e-juice, I am sure that this is not going to be a profitable sales area for them.
I am also SURE that they are going to sit back and let big pharma, the FDA and the state taxmen and tax women squash their completion, keeping status quo- that is their best hope.
BP: In bed with the FDA, screaming that 'there are not enough studies'....but won't do any, because they might find a HUGE success rate and a VERY LOW to non-existent danger. There is no profit for them here at all, and a possible loss of hundreds of millions to billions in furture earnings.
Then, there is the taxing authorities and politicians. They are scared...and they should be. Their gravy train is coming in to the depot- where it will be retired. As usual, they did not feel the winds of change, and save up some of that tobacco settlement money. They missed the transformative power of vaping and are destined to lose trillions of dollars of tax income.
I don't think they can make up this much money in taxes...unless they go for beer, wine, liquor-coffee, tea, and soda like they have gone for cigarettes for taxes !
Vaping can...and will become 'The Game Changer' for a lot of people and 'industries'.
We, and they-can embrace it...or fight for 'status quo'...but everyone with common sense knows that never works.
"First- they ignore you...
Then, they laugh at you...
Then, they fight you...
Then, You Win"
- Mahatma Gandhi
Do your part to fight for the right to vape and be tobacco free...join and help CASAA today.
I just hope new vapors can judge Stacee from his comments and how ******* they are. Whether he wishes to acknowledge it or not, the future of e-cigarettes is in jeopardy, and I'm not talking about simple regulation of nicotine e-liquid. I'm talking ALL OUT BANS.
Open your eyes, vapors. Governments are banning either e-cigarette devices or nicotine-based eliquids all around the globe.
Open your eyes, vapors. Governments are banning either e-cigarette devices or nicotine-based eliquids all around the globe.
So, I should just wait for your approval before buying any more, huh?
People like you are the reason that there will be panic when it is too late.
I have been around the block a few times....
Reasonable and FDA do not belong in the same paragraph.
Not a conspiracy nut....just know how things work when the rubber meets the road. $$$$
If the FDA were unbiased and not a political entity driven by the ever present lobbyists, I might be more accepting.
My thoughts exactly!
All these years, I thought Dee Snider would be cool in person...who'da thought??
A reasonable response !
I went to Washington last year...first time in like thirty years.
Quite a nice setup our government has there....
Doesn't look anything like the area where I live and work....???
I am beginning to realise most here aren't going to change their minds about their attitude towards pending regulations. Again i feel the need to point out that vendors ignore "basic" requirements that the consumers expect. That is the only thing wrong with the industry. You have to be blind not to see it. Take a look at the bottles of e liquid you have at home. Do you see labels similar to any other product you might buy from the supermarket stating various facts about the contents.
Why do so many people have difficulty understanding this.
Why do so many people have difficulty understanding this.
Dude, I understand that and have no issue with that. But you fail to see the big picture, my little crazy-looking friend (if that is truly you in the avatar).
If it was only about testing and regulating e-liquids, no one has an issue with that. That we can agree on.
The big picture is there are special interest groups going to testify all sorts of claims to get their way with the FDA. NONE of them favor users of e-cigarettes. The FDA has proposed banning all e-cigarettes before (check their history) which was overturned in court, and are likely to propose that ban again.
Why do you have difficulty understanding this?
I do understand !. Ive been to court often enough to know that you don't get your way first time round and the appeal process is usually where true justice is done. The courts always try it on in the first instance !.
Didn't you know that ?
What ? Look if you think that there are groups influencing the FDA with false information that's fair enough i don't doubt it.
If i were a vendor and going to be put out of business because of this then i would be there, in court, with a lawyer to dispell any rumours put forward by these groups. Perjury is a criminal offence. If these hate groups do influence the courts then, according to you, these groups would be guilty of perjury right ?. So an appeal would not just be based on the business of electric cigarette legality but would also call on those people that committed perjury in the first place. And they will be held to account. Perjury is a serious criminal offence. They have to be able to backup their claims. You say their claims are false. So what are you worried about ?.
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I don't know about other states, but AZ used the settlement money for children's health and other unrelated programs. Then raised the tobacco tax again. It's become a sizeable share of the state's income and I know many states have higher rates than ours. So of course they are going to want to tax.
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NH and VT just raised the tobacco tax again....
But this time...they aren't getting any more from me.
I predict that the big time tax income from tobacco sales is coming to an end...
and that the states are already looking for new cash cows to butcher.
"Politicians say more taxes will solve everything....and the band plays on"
- 'Ball of Confusion' , by the Temptations
But this time...they aren't getting any more from me.
I predict that the big time tax income from tobacco sales is coming to an end...
and that the states are already looking for new cash cows to butcher.
"Politicians say more taxes will solve everything....and the band plays on"
- 'Ball of Confusion' , by the Temptations
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stacee - You obviously believe very strongly about the justice and care of big government agencies, and courts and feel they're looking out for your interests and health much better than the vaping world, so my advice to you is to quit vaping immediately and go back to smoking.
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Heck in Hawaii NONE of the tobacco settlement goes anywhere OTHER than the general fund so they can all give themselves double digit pay raises.
I have a big congele, so a few litres of strong Mic base, like 4, areb't a hassle and make me, at my present dosage 40 odd litres of my juice preferred. I always DIY now, have loads of flavours, and TPA for example, will never stop selling fragrances, so ;;; YES, i'm stocking up a bit, and ill continue to do so.
I am sure that Nic base at a usable % will not be available soon. I use +/- 50mg:ml diluted down. It's the easiest way, it's marked in my recipes, and I want to use it as is. I'm not a kid, or idiot, and take the necessary precautions when I mix my juices.
So a big bra in the air to Big Brother, and Keep Cool, Vape On
I am sure that Nic base at a usable % will not be available soon. I use +/- 50mg:ml diluted down. It's the easiest way, it's marked in my recipes, and I want to use it as is. I'm not a kid, or idiot, and take the necessary precautions when I mix my juices.
So a big bra in the air to Big Brother, and Keep Cool, Vape On
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