yup the country is in sad shape, it dont help that its run by money mongers and special interest groups,ecig supply's aint the only thing people should be stocking up on right now.
should we be stocking up just in case
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yup the country is in sad shape, it dont help that its run by money mongers and special interest groups,ecig supply's aint the only thing people should be stocking up on right now.
To stock up or not stock up- that is the question.
Any other rants- political or otherwise, we have sections for that. Lets try to keep this open for information.
Any other rants- political or otherwise, we have sections for that. Lets try to keep this open for information.
Just ordered a couple MTBAKER 236ML - $35.99 w/free shipping and 10% discount. Should tide me over till the dust settles. I've been considering vaping without nicotine anyway.
A good scout is always prepared. The knee-jerk reactions I am seeing from other countries/institutions concern me.
i foresee people selling 10ml bottles of juice in the classifieds for $25-$30 each should something happen to our supply,or do you think they will make personal sales of nic illegal?
amen to that. see thread- beating up on poor people, and old people
Well I as said think I will be buying an extra 2-3 bottles every week and few more attys and so on. It can do no harm and I have only not smoked for 7 days but already never want to go back so I'm a buy more now guy ;-)
so I'm a buy more now guy ;-)
I did some minor overstocking, but only on nic solutions. In the freezer, those will last longer than it'll take to use them, so no harm no foul even if nothing happens.
Everything else will be available. I can see "510 connector flashlights" being sold. Remove flashlight head and you happen to have a vaporizer. Oops.
The 808 connector is a standard one available at Radio Shack for other purposes. So nothing will change there. And only very basic soldering skills are required to build your own manual box mod. It's nothing but a horn switch (or whatever you like), battery, and 510 or 808 connector. Plus a master switch if you wish for additional safety.
While atomizers/cartomizers may be the sticking point, it's beyond me to RBA with my vision. I'm at least capable of re-wicking most atties with a 2 in 3 success rate. That's the best I can do.
Everything else will be available. I can see "510 connector flashlights" being sold. Remove flashlight head and you happen to have a vaporizer. Oops.
The 808 connector is a standard one available at Radio Shack for other purposes. So nothing will change there. And only very basic soldering skills are required to build your own manual box mod. It's nothing but a horn switch (or whatever you like), battery, and 510 or 808 connector. Plus a master switch if you wish for additional safety.
While atomizers/cartomizers may be the sticking point, it's beyond me to RBA with my vision. I'm at least capable of re-wicking most atties with a 2 in 3 success rate. That's the best I can do.
Sounds like what might be needed is catching up not just on news, but how U.S. Congress, Senate, lobbyists are playing this. I see many predictions and assumptions here but few links as to how exactly these things will be accomplished by the government on this thread ("legislations and latest news" has some but not all).
Not enough of us are supporting our own rights groups enough, such as the CASAA and some of these studies going around. If we want more agreeable legality, it is up to us to participate more.
And stocking up doesn't hurt either.
My main point is this: we must do our homework. Research. Find out what is being voted on, by who, and if possible, why. And support those who support us in this endeavor. Not always possible I know. We do need to do what we can.
Not enough of us are supporting our own rights groups enough, such as the CASAA and some of these studies going around. If we want more agreeable legality, it is up to us to participate more.
And stocking up doesn't hurt either.
My main point is this: we must do our homework. Research. Find out what is being voted on, by who, and if possible, why. And support those who support us in this endeavor. Not always possible I know. We do need to do what we can.
I would say there's no need to panic. After all, all that can be banned or restricted is nicotine-based liquid.
I really don't see a reason to stock up anything else, unless you really like to collect/own a huge amount of atomizers or mods (which, by the way, is a real addiction itself)
Not sure about how long you can safely keep those nic-liquids, say couple years maybe? But after that?...
I really don't see a reason to stock up anything else, unless you really like to collect/own a huge amount of atomizers or mods (which, by the way, is a real addiction itself)
Not sure about how long you can safely keep those nic-liquids, say couple years maybe? But after that?...
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I stocked up in bits and pieces over the last three months. I wasn't particularly pushed but just kept deciding a little more wouldn't hurt until it all started to get pretty aggravating. Like, come on, is there no end? Well, it's done now. I'll tell you one thing. Not a dime of my money is going to greediness in any department that offers vape supplies for sale. First we have the treasure chest then all the Vendors then the resale groups. I sent my no longer wanted barely used not right for me things too "Krash" because it was convenient no hassle, no rules deal. I've given away a little nut frankly nobody I know vapes except my renter and he does it totally weird, not like ecf enthusiasts. I'll go weird myself if prices and availability and hassles make this
" no longer enjoyable". I hate being ripped off and I'm not an especially cheap person at all. Messed me up money wise the last three months and that's all I'm going to tolerate. On a bright note. I don't believe in doomsday. Except concerning nicotine.
" no longer enjoyable". I hate being ripped off and I'm not an especially cheap person at all. Messed me up money wise the last three months and that's all I'm going to tolerate. On a bright note. I don't believe in doomsday. Except concerning nicotine.
I would say there's no need to panic. After all, all that can be banned or restricted is nicotine-based liquid.
I really don't see a reason to stock up anything else, unless you really like to collect own a huge amount of atomizers or mods (which, by the way, is a real addiction itself)
Not sure about how long you can safely keep those nic-liquids, say couple years maybe? But after that?...
Unknown, actually. Stored at room temperature, 2 years is a reasonable statement. I haven't seen a hard and fast limit for refrigerator or freezer-stored nic liquids in amber glass. 3 years minimum is probably a good starting point for freezer storage, but it's only a guess.
At worst, they lose potency and the nic levels drop, which doesn't happen quickly.
Flavored e-liquids will degrade faster (the flavorings aren't as durable), which is why most of us DIY people store the unflavored PG or VG version. Neither solidify in the freezer (and if they did, the solid is smaller than the liquid and won't burst the container).
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There is certainly some degree of truth to both the possibility that nicotine liquid base may become more strictly regulated and also that many retailers would like YOU to think that because it increases sales based on the "panic" hypothesis. I know I fell for it myself back in 2009. There were few, if any brick and mortar stores in the USA and ordering even liquid was often a sketchy process that might get held up (or rejected) at customs for weeks or months, etc. Things are MUCH better now than they were four years ago. Vastly improved.
As for shelf life? I have several 30mg bottles of juice (imported 100% PG) that date back to spring of 2009. I threw away the ones that were open and kept only the sealed bottles, two of which I opened recently. There is no noticeable color change, flavor change that I can detect, or (noticeable) lessening of nicotine strength either. These have been stored in a darkened (closed) cardboard box in a cool, dry environment.
You can "prep" for anything but in the most extreme scenario I can imagine the best "prep" is simply to stop using nicotine altogether... or be prepared to find it in gum or patches. I still keep some nicorette gum around, just in case.
As others have said, at least in the USA the only thing that could even be legally regulated is the nicotine base itself. I don't worry about availability any more, neither should you.
There is certainly some degree of truth to both the possibility that nicotine liquid base may become more strictly regulated and also that many retailers would like YOU to think that because it increases sales based on the "panic" hypothesis. I know I fell for it myself back in 2009. There were few, if any brick and mortar stores in the USA and ordering even liquid was often a sketchy process that might get held up (or rejected) at customs for weeks or months, etc. Things are MUCH better now than they were four years ago. Vastly improved.
As for shelf life? I have several 30mg bottles of juice (imported 100% PG) that date back to spring of 2009. I threw away the ones that were open and kept only the sealed bottles, two of which I opened recently. There is no noticeable color change, flavor change that I can detect, or (noticeable) lessening of nicotine strength either. These have been stored in a darkened (closed) cardboard box in a cool, dry environment.
You can "prep" for anything but in the most extreme scenario I can imagine the best "prep" is simply to stop using nicotine altogether... or be prepared to find it in gum or patches. I still keep some nicorette gum around, just in case.
As others have said, at least in the USA the only thing that could even be legally regulated is the nicotine base itself. I don't worry about availability any more, neither should you.
Has anybody here considered that absolutely nothing will happen regarding any bans or fundamental regulations on nicotine products for electric cigarettes in the eu and us that apply to the use of nicotine liquids by the consumer. Is there any one particular person that is employed at the food and drugs administration that has said there is going to be a ban or regulation to this end ?. Or is the information coming from people that are not even connected to the food and drugs administration ?.
The way is see it is that the government is serious about regulation on a product that is regarded as toxic and is taken orally. So any regulation that could be imposed would be to ensure all vendors that do supply nicotine products comply with safety standards. A vendor should be registered as a supplier of nicotine products and may require a licence to do so. These are the regulations that are important. Other issues like measurements e.g 30ml "e" should be clearly shown on bottles of nicotine liquids. Health warnings should be compulsory on all bottles containing nicotine liquids. A list of all the ingredients of the contents should be displayed on the labels of bottles of nicotine liquids. A use by date or expiry date should be included on bottles of nicotine liquids along with the date the contents were manufactured. Even the location of where the contents were manufactured should be displayed on bottles of nicotine liquids. In fact even where the ingredients were sourced should be displayed on bottles of nicotine liquids. And lets not forget nutritional information is something that consumers look for on a label of a product they are going buy. So let that be a regulation too.
The above list of requirements is standard for all consumable products. Most vendors don't seem to bother with any of these requirements. So if there are to be regulations imposed on nicotine liquids then an educated guess tells me that the regulations will be imposed on nicotine liquid vendors to comply, by law, to adhere to regulations put forward by the food and drugs administration.
Any other regulations that are rumoured to be put in place are just heresay. The list that i have compiled above is what the consumer expects to find on a product they are to consume.
Edit : In the last sentence of the first paragraph of this comment i wrote "Or is the information coming from people that are not even connected to the food and drugs administration ?". I should have written "Or is the information coming from people that are not even "employees" of the food and drug administration ?".
The way is see it is that the government is serious about regulation on a product that is regarded as toxic and is taken orally. So any regulation that could be imposed would be to ensure all vendors that do supply nicotine products comply with safety standards. A vendor should be registered as a supplier of nicotine products and may require a licence to do so. These are the regulations that are important. Other issues like measurements e.g 30ml "e" should be clearly shown on bottles of nicotine liquids. Health warnings should be compulsory on all bottles containing nicotine liquids. A list of all the ingredients of the contents should be displayed on the labels of bottles of nicotine liquids. A use by date or expiry date should be included on bottles of nicotine liquids along with the date the contents were manufactured. Even the location of where the contents were manufactured should be displayed on bottles of nicotine liquids. In fact even where the ingredients were sourced should be displayed on bottles of nicotine liquids. And lets not forget nutritional information is something that consumers look for on a label of a product they are going buy. So let that be a regulation too.
The above list of requirements is standard for all consumable products. Most vendors don't seem to bother with any of these requirements. So if there are to be regulations imposed on nicotine liquids then an educated guess tells me that the regulations will be imposed on nicotine liquid vendors to comply, by law, to adhere to regulations put forward by the food and drugs administration.
Any other regulations that are rumoured to be put in place are just heresay. The list that i have compiled above is what the consumer expects to find on a product they are to consume.
Edit : In the last sentence of the first paragraph of this comment i wrote "Or is the information coming from people that are not even connected to the food and drugs administration ?". I should have written "Or is the information coming from people that are not even "employees" of the food and drug administration ?".
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The reality is that regulation compliance will be too costly for small vendors and will add to the cost of those remaining, reducing availability and increasing price. Should nicotine liquid sales over the internet be made illegal, availability would decline further. Limits on nicotine percentage, combined with limited availability, will make it harder for those of us who have enjoyed these few golden years of vaping. Of course we're stocking up on nic liquid - it's our lifeline.
It's the millions of people who smoke today who will suffer most. I started at 24mg to kill the cravings, and if only 6 or 8mg was available I may not have been able to make the switch. Low nic and higher prices will cause more people to continue smoking should tight regulation come to bear.
It's the millions of people who smoke today who will suffer most. I started at 24mg to kill the cravings, and if only 6 or 8mg was available I may not have been able to make the switch. Low nic and higher prices will cause more people to continue smoking should tight regulation come to bear.
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