Don't be fooled. I know a number of them. They are doing much hoping and praying and getting as much profit as they can before it is too late. Most make 90% of the money from their online sites and take short term leases on their B & M's.
should we be stocking up just in case
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Don't be fooled. I know a number of them. They are doing much hoping and praying and getting as much profit as they can before it is too late. Most make 90% of the money from their online sites and take short term leases on their B & M's.
If they get banned, it will mean a serious change in all of our lifestyles. How, and where we obtain our juice will change drastically. Prices will rise of course, and we very likely could end up being limited to things like prefilled cartomizers, instead of being able to refill our own with juice, like we can today. They could also impose a law that all juice manufacturers and sellers will be forced into becoming "certified" which could be extremely hard or expensive for many of our juice vendors, and, a lot of them could end up being forced out of business. If bottled nicotine solution is still legal, or even able to be obtained here in the united states, it MAY have to come from certified vendors. The prices will obviously skyrocket and the government will probably want a cut on the prefilled cartomizer sales, sales of things called e-cigarettes, and (if they allow it at all) the sale of bottled nicotine solution/flavored juices. What will I do to stockpile? Probably nothing. I've done my best as it is. I have rebuildable dripping atomizers which are the most economical thing you could buy that is able to be reused and repaired, but even those cost money. At 10-20 a piece, the three RBAs I own have cost me over 50 dollars. The two RBA or Genesis tanks that I own have cost me over 50 dollars together as well. I've been struggling to gather supplies for regulations for a year. It wont do much good if its impossible to find or purchase nicotine juice in bottles in the united states. We'll all be forced into using prefilled cartomizers, which makes the FDA happy, and the tobacco lobby happy, because they'll have an easy "IN" to our pockets when the masses scramble to switch from whatever they are using to the new prefilled cartomizers. If I have to, I'll add snus to supplement my nicotine intake next to the expensive prefilled cartos, and I'll vape DIY flavored PG/VG, but I would rather this not happen. And I'll fight it along side you all to see that it does not happen.
I don't think that a lot of people will do anything illegal but some will. I believe the best thing is to stock pile while you can or just stop altogether.
I personally don't foresee them banning e-cigs, but then again i've been wrong before.
I'm not against stock piling but stopping altogether is not an option for many hardcore former smokers. I'm disappointed that more people in this thread are not stating that we need to take steps to protect our right to vape. It seems some are more inclined to just roll over and do little to nothing.
I'll tell you 1 thing though. I give up on stockpiling mods and vivi novas and all that. I'm sick of it.
I'm sick of stockpiling for these damn regulations, or to save money. I'm not saving any money.
I've been using a damn Volt cig-alike for the past 2 days and I've been happier than I've ever been vaping.
I'm going to start living on the fringes. I don't care if I have a stockpile of rebuildables and mechanical mods.
I'm going to buy more cartos and a huge bottle of RY4 and live out my days as long as I can.
I'm getting tired of all this crap. You don't NEED this or that to be happy with vaping. It all makes it more complicated.
All you need is a good throat hit and some nice vapor. let the apocalypse come. I'll fight. I'll deal.
Till then, my $1000 in mods and tanks sit on my stand and a volt battery with a teeny little super shorty carto is in my pocket. It might have an 8 second cut off and a short battery life, but its more relaxing than holding a damn log in my hand worrying if its wicking well, wanting to switch from the taste of silica to the taste of carto to the taste of mesh back to the taste of silica. Its all getting too damn complicated and its a direct result of capitalism and a commodified consumer society and all the negatives that come with that system.
I'm sick of stockpiling for these damn regulations, or to save money. I'm not saving any money.
I've been using a damn Volt cig-alike for the past 2 days and I've been happier than I've ever been vaping.
I'm going to start living on the fringes. I don't care if I have a stockpile of rebuildables and mechanical mods.
I'm going to buy more cartos and a huge bottle of RY4 and live out my days as long as I can.
I'm getting tired of all this crap. You don't NEED this or that to be happy with vaping. It all makes it more complicated.
All you need is a good throat hit and some nice vapor. let the apocalypse come. I'll fight. I'll deal.
Till then, my $1000 in mods and tanks sit on my stand and a volt battery with a teeny little super shorty carto is in my pocket. It might have an 8 second cut off and a short battery life, but its more relaxing than holding a damn log in my hand worrying if its wicking well, wanting to switch from the taste of silica to the taste of carto to the taste of mesh back to the taste of silica. Its all getting too damn complicated and its a direct result of capitalism and a commodified consumer society and all the negatives that come with that system.
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This shouldn't come as a surprise. Look at what we have allowed our government to do for decades.
I myself have only been vaping since Christmas of 2012. I truly enjoy it, but don't see what I can do to help stop a ban.
Do you know what to do to help stop anything? Because you probably should.
The country that your living in was once the most liberated country on the planet.
Now our resources, our gold, our industry, we've depleted it, outsourced it, forgotten about it.
And now we sit on the promises of paper bills and a central bank that follows global governing.
The woman didn't have to work, they were able to stay home and take care of the family.
The men fought in bars over politics every evening after a hard days work.
Are you asking for permission to NOW get mad? Because you are past turning point.
We're all being conditioned on a mass scale to forget our history and bend over to liberal globalization.
This e-cigarette thing should honestly be the least of our worries but we're so wrapped up in the matrix that LIFE has become that we don't have time to worry or fight against what we need to be fighting against, and worst of all, this matrix masks the pressing issues from our eyes before we even have a chance to decide that we don't care. The most open minded kids in our schools are drugged up, and the smartest kids are lead down a path of complete & total institutionalization. Every human on this planet owes his paycheck to the federal reserve, and what little money they have left become tied up in loans and liabilities so you can travel in your car to your job the next state over. So you can buy that 5 bathroom 6 bedroom house for your wife and your two kids. If you didn't feel hopeless before you can start feeling hopeless now. The political system is full of career politicians that go to school to learn to play the slot machine. Have you ever met a politician that spent his free time making long thought out speeches on public telivision, or in the streets of his city? Hell no. They didn't pay 120k a year to learn to hold the world on their shoulders, they went to school so the we'd hold them up.
EVERYTHING is past due. Everything. No where is safe and nothing is sacred. And the federal government is there to keep their shady jenga game from tipping over completely. They don't want us to wake up. They want to continue operating behind a safe curtain. Figuratively slipping us opium, arsenic and lead every year until our elderly are too mad to speak out, our adults have too high a tolerance and our children are too weak and apathetic to learn of the corruption at all. There is a reason the spiritual teachers of the world speak against gluttony, lust, greed, pride, envy, wrath, sloth, all of it has ruined civilizations when they were small and they will ruin our civilization as it grows past it's already mammoth size. Its all poison to our political system.
Does anyone really believe there is nothing shady going on when it comes to our possible e-cig regulations? You really think MONEY is involved? Or internal interests? You think the board members of the FDA aren't called out to lunch with big tobacco lobbyists, or TRICKED into believing one thing over the right thing by those fighting for money, monopoly, greed? If we don't fight this, we will lose the lubrication we have in e-cigarettes and we'll be paying our dues to the big dogs when they do regulate them. Its all about money, and the ability to brandish power in a political sector. Whether an individual fda member knows it or not, manipulation is the web that drives our government today. Very rarely do the people fight, very rarely do the people win, but we can influence other people, we can manipulate just like the politicians and lobbyists can. But we believe our manipulation is JUST and righteous, yeah?
The country that your living in was once the most liberated country on the planet.
Now our resources, our gold, our industry, we've depleted it, outsourced it, forgotten about it.
And now we sit on the promises of paper bills and a central bank that follows global governing.
The woman didn't have to work, they were able to stay home and take care of the family.
The men fought in bars over politics every evening after a hard days work.
Are you asking for permission to NOW get mad? Because you are past turning point.
We're all being conditioned on a mass scale to forget our history and bend over to liberal globalization.
This e-cigarette thing should honestly be the least of our worries but we're so wrapped up in the matrix that LIFE has become that we don't have time to worry or fight against what we need to be fighting against, and worst of all, this matrix masks the pressing issues from our eyes before we even have a chance to decide that we don't care. The most open minded kids in our schools are drugged up, and the smartest kids are lead down a path of complete & total institutionalization. Every human on this planet owes his paycheck to the federal reserve, and what little money they have left become tied up in loans and liabilities so you can travel in your car to your job the next state over. So you can buy that 5 bathroom 6 bedroom house for your wife and your two kids. If you didn't feel hopeless before you can start feeling hopeless now. The political system is full of career politicians that go to school to learn to play the slot machine. Have you ever met a politician that spent his free time making long thought out speeches on public telivision, or in the streets of his city? Hell no. They didn't pay 120k a year to learn to hold the world on their shoulders, they went to school so the we'd hold them up.
EVERYTHING is past due. Everything. No where is safe and nothing is sacred. And the federal government is there to keep their shady jenga game from tipping over completely. They don't want us to wake up. They want to continue operating behind a safe curtain. Figuratively slipping us opium, arsenic and lead every year until our elderly are too mad to speak out, our adults have too high a tolerance and our children are too weak and apathetic to learn of the corruption at all. There is a reason the spiritual teachers of the world speak against gluttony, lust, greed, pride, envy, wrath, sloth, all of it has ruined civilizations when they were small and they will ruin our civilization as it grows past it's already mammoth size. Its all poison to our political system.
Does anyone really believe there is nothing shady going on when it comes to our possible e-cig regulations? You really think MONEY is involved? Or internal interests? You think the board members of the FDA aren't called out to lunch with big tobacco lobbyists, or TRICKED into believing one thing over the right thing by those fighting for money, monopoly, greed? If we don't fight this, we will lose the lubrication we have in e-cigarettes and we'll be paying our dues to the big dogs when they do regulate them. Its all about money, and the ability to brandish power in a political sector. Whether an individual fda member knows it or not, manipulation is the web that drives our government today. Very rarely do the people fight, very rarely do the people win, but we can influence other people, we can manipulate just like the politicians and lobbyists can. But we believe our manipulation is JUST and righteous, yeah?
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step 1) build bunker, stock with nic & learn to DIY
step 2) ????
step 3) profit
step 2) ????
step 3) profit
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First thing I would do is join CASAA. Then start writing the letters to the senators and congress people of your state.
At least that way I can honestly say. "Well at least I tried". If you do nothing then you have no room to complain. Just my
Oh, I thought you were talking about the FDA. Because I consider them a hate group. They hate my individual liberty and want to stomp it out.
I agree with so much of what you say, but the above. Would you rather have a system where the government makes all the decisions about what is produced? A variety of countries tried that in history and it didn't work out too well, as you recall. It led to shoddy products, no choice, and mass shortages.
We haven't had real capitalism in our country for a very long time. What we have is crony-capitalism, where the special interests buy off our "public servants" to give them special favor. You can't just blame the special interests for this. If our "public servants" weren't crooked they wouldn't be for sale. In the end, it is the citizenry who is really to blame. Because if not for our unadulterated laziness, we would not have allowed our government to grow beyond the boundaries of the Constitution. Because it is that fact that allowed our "public servants" to have special favors to hand out at all.
That said, the e-cigarette industry is the closest thing to true capitalism that I have seen for awhile. Notice how many small businesses cropped up overnight. Because of the infancy of the industry, there are a variety of different choices being offered to customers. That's a good thing, as one-size does not fit all. And as the industry matures, the good ones will survive and the bad ones will fail due to simple supply and demand. Given that the government keeps their big nanny-state nose out of it.
Each and every one of those small businesses, be it those who create custom drip tips to those engineering better juice delivery devices, employ people. None of us should forget that it is small business who employs the vast majority of people, at least in America. It's not corporations; it's small businesses. So, I say bring on the choices. The more the merrier. And while you're at it, perhaps bring on the equivalent of the Good Housekeeping Seal of Approval for vaping supplies. I remember a day when all companies wanted that for their goods. Amazing, isn't it. And it didn't require the almighty government to do it.
Yes. I've noticed & don't know what to make of. I asked couple of them & got no reply. Nothing.
Joined and supported. Hopefully it's not too late but,we will find out.... :/
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