should we be stocking up just in case

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Baditude

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@baditude I've done everything CASAA has suggested, DEA, reps, signed petitions and sent money. This is the most active that I've been on any issue in my life.
I applaud your efforts! :thumbs: Every member on ECF should do the same.

Instead of being ignorant or apathetic to the situation, everyone needs educate themselves to the facts and to be active to insure our right to use e-cigarettes and advanced personal vaporizers. This can be as little effort as signing up for CASAA membership. If you can, do more in the form of a donation(s) to help out our only advocate who is working hard on our behalf.

Instead of planning only on what to do should worse come to worse, consider doing what you can to help make e-cigs more acceptable and mainstream.

I don't want to be associated with a product that is considered illegal. I want to see the day where e-cigs are commonplace for ex-smokers and a safer alternative for those people considering taking up smoking because of peer pressure or whatever.
 
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I disagree. Businesses, small and large, are started for the purpose of earning a profit. When did success become a sin in America?

The problem is with the collusion of some businesses and government, when government gives unfair advantage to those same businesses who are willing to line their bureaucratic pockets with payola.


you just reinforced my point, dear. success is no sin....but unabated greed is. big business is in cahoots with PACs and lobbyists who work to assure their agendas are realized, no matter what the human suffering factor. i would surely hate to see all the small vaping businesses squeezed out by the tobacco companies taking over the industry. but that is what usually happens to many small businesses. look at how few barber shops, restaurants, etc that are individually owned anymore. almost everything is owned by mega corporations.
 
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you just reinforced my point, dear. big business is in cahoots with PACs and lobbyists who work to assure their agendas are realized, no matter what the human suffering factor. i would surely hate to see all the small vaping businesses squeezed out by the tobacco companies taking over the industry. but that is what usually happens to many small businesses. look at how few barber shops, restaurants, etc that are individually owned anymore. almost everything is owned by mega corporations.

To a point, though, larger is efficient. Larger companies can purchase in bulk, secure better contracts, and so on.

Size comes with its own disadvantages, such as a lack of ability to move quickly when the market changes. In a stable market, that's not an issue--which is why you don't often see radical innovations from larger companies. They start small, and only get adopted by the larger companies once they mainstream.

Mainstreaming tends to push smaller companies out of the mix. They can't compete with a larger company, even if less nimble, when dexterity isn't a survival characteristic. Not all the small companies disappear as some will still offer an innovative and unique product that has a niche.

Vaping is doing the same thing most other industries have. The companies are getting larger, some regulation is required to keep companies from putting whatever-all they want in their liquids, and the little guys are going to be absorbed, combine themselves, or die as the product mainstreams.

That's a natural progression. The government can assist, decelerate, or do nothing in these cases. Regulation tends to assist, but I don't necessarily view it as a bad thing. I kind of like knowing that "USP grade" actually means "USP grade" not "Well, it's close enough and we won't get caught--and that level of arsenic is mostly harmless."
 

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    I can see it now .... DEA busts home e-liquid lab .... :lol:
    I really don't want a huge amount of 100mg nic sitting around for years waiting for the FDA to decide what they are going to do. There is always lag time between when new regulations are passed, and when they take effect.

    Nicotine will end up costing what it costs when regulations take effect. That is the only thing that effects me personally. Everything else I can make myself. It's the folks that still want to quit smoking that will get hurt (or killed) by all this.
     

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    I can see it now .... DEA busts home e-liquid lab .... :lol:
    I really don't want a huge amount of 100mg nic sitting around for years waiting for the FDA to decide what they are going to do. There is always lag time between when new regulations are passed, and when they take effect.

    Nicotine will end up costing what it costs when regulations take effect. That is the only thing that effects me personally. Everything else I can make myself. It's the folks that still want to quit smoking that will get hurt (or killed) by all this.

    Good points BUT, you are also assuming that the average consumer will still be able to easily acquire nicotine. That may or may not be the case.
     

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    I can see it now .... DEA busts home e-liquid lab .... :lol:
    I really don't want a huge amount of 100mg nic sitting around for years waiting for the FDA to decide what they are going to do. There is always lag time between when new regulations are passed, and when they take effect.

    Nicotine will end up costing what it costs when regulations take effect. That is the only thing that effects me personally. Everything else I can make myself. It's the folks that still want to quit smoking that will get hurt (or killed) by all this.

    The positives...Vendors of hardware and flavorless Nic juice just recorded record sales. Expecting some awesome sales in the near term IMHO :D
    As far as CASAA...joining and donating was one of the very first things I did when I began vaping...it was a no brainer and we in Canada could only dream of having a non profit org working diligently to protect our rights. You guyz and galz are soooo lucky.
     
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    Do you know what to do to help stop anything? Because you probably should.
    The country that your living in was once the most liberated country on the planet.
    Now our resources, our gold, our industry, we've depleted it, outsourced it, forgotten about it.
    And now we sit on the promises of paper bills and a central bank that follows global governing.
    The woman didn't have to work, they were able to stay home and take care of the family.
    The men fought in bars over politics every evening after a hard days work.

    And that was my clue to stop the torture/reading futher.
    :facepalm:
     

    jazon1

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    I can see it now .... DEA busts home e-liquid lab .... :lol:
    I really don't want a huge amount of 100mg nic sitting around for years waiting for the FDA to decide what they are going to do. There is always lag time between when new regulations are passed, and when they take effect.

    Nicotine will end up costing what it costs when regulations take effect. That is the only thing that effects me personally. Everything else I can make myself. It's the folks that still want to quit smoking that will get hurt (or killed) by all this.


    dont really see any reason not to stock up in case of a ban,its not like it wont get used anyways and saves a ton of money on shipping a few bottles every coupe weeks:)
     

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    Membership is free and takes less than a minute. If you are not yet a member, please sign up. Time is of the essence.

    Following Baditude's advice got me off a 29-year PAD addiction in under 2 weeks. Now, I have followed his advice again. I suggest everyone do the same.
     
    I think stocking up is a good idea in any case, at least a good 3 month's supply. Shoot, more would be great. Even with no large scale action the supplies of the particular products I like to use go out of stock all the time, and i always feel like I should get them while I can. As for Liquid, I'd love to have a cellar devoted to it...
     

    Baditude

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    badatitude should be banned for misspelling attitude.

    oops. wrong thread. :blush:

    good job spreading the word, bad. i just joined too :thumb:
    :evil:

    Seriously, I've known CASAA existed and was an advocate of e-cig users for some time, but I had not reviewed their website to see just how active they are in protecting our rights.

    In the last couple of weeks I began taking note of e-cigs being banned in countries such as Maylasia and Singapore. Nicotine e-liquids being banned in Canada. Ecigs being banned in counties in the United States. And now the FDA will be making its decision on e-cigs for the entire country.

    Am I alarmed? Yes, I am. Like many here, I just assumed that the worse things could get would be regulating e-liquids using nicotine and a steep tax addition. But the potential for far worse exists. E-cigs could be totally banned unless we as a group fight for our right to vape.

    As stated previously, your support need not be more than just signing up as a member of CASSA. It's free and takes 1 minute. Support them with a donation if you can. They are a non-profit volunteer operation fighting for our right to vape. Links to join and donate are already in this thread.

    This is the real deal, fellow vapors. Don't be apathetic. Do your part.
     
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