Sigelei 213 owners thread

[TechnoGeek]

Ahhhh... @TechnoGeek with 39 posts on ECF is reading this thread. Maybe he can get to the bottom of all of this.

Nope, I'm not having any luck. I emailed Sigelei on the 9th of May to get an official response as to whether the Sigelei 213 supported firmware updates, not surprising, but no response......Which is what started me down this rabbit hole.....I was attempting to learn all I could about the Sigelei 213, and Sigelei the company as far as reputation as part of my decision making on whether I wanted to buy one. I wanted a small, light, nice looking dual 18650 mod that worked well with TC. The Sigelei 213 initially seemed to fit that bill. Support for TCR, TFR, Pre-heat, 2 amp balanced charging. All advanced features, TFR, Pre-heat, and balanced charging not usually found in many mods except dna(yes, some mods like smok do something like preheat with their min,norm, hard, max settings).

If I don't buy anything in the meantime, and Sigelei get everything fixed, then I'll re-think buying it......

 

[GeorgeS]

Granted -

if there are people the world over that have fully tested and functional units then something not so good happened during production, ether the hardware changed or the software changed or both. (or quite possibly one factory was turning out wonderful units while another factory was turning out duds)

Which ever the case consider Support101:

• 1st we've heard of the issue, nobody else is experiencing it
• Are you sure you read the manual - what settings are you using?
• Try using "zzz" settings and get back to us if that fixed the issue
• You still think you have issues? We don't believe you. Please photograph or video it for us

Given the wording of the email I got from Sigelei, they are aware of and are investigating if any or all the issues could be resolved via a firmware update. (otherwise, I would of likely gotten a canned response as outlined above)

What a very comical and complex community we have.

 

[Aaron Peik]

Don't worry guy's, they're releasing a fuchai version at the end of this month and they specifically mention a new Celsius TCR setting, so they're fixing it, just not for us apparently? check sig's facebook page.

 

[Aaron Peik]

I wish i was trolling... In comes the snow wolf V 1.5 to fix the issues of the original.

 

[Aaron Peik]

Also go to sigelei's website, there's a popup about TCR not working.. but they have a workaround coming.. no mention of a firmware update.

 

[JLR9]

Yeah, I just saw something on Reddit about the new Fuchai 213w. It's the same mod as the current 213 just with an alloy casing instead of the carbon fibre.

 

[JLR9]

Here's the notice from the Sigelei website:

Feedback

The TCR temperature mode with Sigelei 213 is not working.

The Cause:

As Sigelei we have designed a more accurate way to temp control in which the functions is similar to the TCR on other product. Our liner temperature control is based on Fahrenheit units which in form has a higher level of precision compared to the common TCR which is celsius unit based.

Solution:

1.We have created a tool to do the conversion for you to turn the celsius based TCR values to our Fahrenheit based TCR ( Liner Temperature Control) values.The tool will be available on the Sigelei official website.


2.To meet market demand of some of the consumers,we will launch the Fuchai 213 version of the device which uses the more common Celsius based TCR calculation.

3.With the reduction of precision down to the current TCR market standards we will be able to launch the Fuchai 213 at half the cost of the Sigelei 213 model.

 

[Aaron Peik]

no carbon fiber, but half the price as well. That blue.. they need to make the original 213 right so i can get the blue one and feel great about it

 

[TechnoGeek]

Don't worry guy's, they're releasing a fuchai version at the end of this month and they specifically mention a new Celsius TCR setting, so they're fixing it, just not for us apparently? check sig's facebook page.

Just go to their website, you get a pop-up overlay message. I'm not an expert on temperature control, but their explanation sounds like non-sense. I can't see how using a TCR value based on Fahrenheit is going to achieve greater accuracy..... it still just a mathematical formula, regardless....

I don't know, so their story is, they implemented TCR using Fahrenheit as opposed to the standard accepted Celsius, because somehow it's better and more accurate? and... they did this and didn't tell anyone, nothing in the manual? Here's the kicker though, Item 3 above --> just changing the formula allows them to cut the cost in HALF!!!! Yeah, sure....Do they actually think ANYONE would buy into this?!?! Nothing to do with the aluminum body as opposed to carbon fiber, and whatever else they did to change the new model?

Wow, they already have an announcement, and pictures of the NEW Fuchai 213, on the Sigelei website!?!?!
Looks exactly the same, BUT frame of body looks black and no carbon fiber.....BUT one spec states :

Made by Alluminum alloy

while another states :

Material: Carbon fiber &Zinc Alloy

Doesn't look like carbon fiber to me....
Can you say, copy and paste...On FB they say it's aluminum...
I wonder if these are pictures, or rendered? I can't tell... but guessing rendered....

Fuchai 213_Box Mod_SIGELEI Electronic Cigarette -


How's this :
Fuchai 213


To meet market demand of some of the consumers, sigelei launch the Fuchai 213 version of the device which uses the more common Celsius based TCR calculation



Specs:



Outstanding points :
Made by Alluminum alloy
Colors : black, silver, orange, blue 4colors.
Favorable price


Size: 88*44*29mm

Material: Carbon fiber &Zinc Alloy
Screen: 0.91〞OLED
Wattage Range: 10w-213W
Temperature Range:100℃-300℃/200℉-570℉
Input Voltage: 6.4V-8.4V
Output Voltage: 1.0V-7.5V
Output Max Current: 35A
Battery: 2*18650
Operating Mode: POWER/SS/TI/NI200/TCR/TFR
Resistance Range: 0.1Ω-3.0Ω
Coils: Kanthal/TI/NI 200/ SS(304/316/317)TCR/TFR
USB: DC 5V/2A

 

[drugarth]

Yea not to happy about this, so basicaly we payed twice the price for the carbon? (nobody believes that changing the TCR formula makes a difference in price).
Also the fact that they had to make a special tool to fix the Sig 213 TCR indicates to me that there is indeed no firmware update capability.

 

[Aaron Peik]

It's pretty disappointing drugarth, spend 100 bucks on a sleek device with a few flaws, then a month later they sell basically the same thing possibly fixed for half the price. Im more bent about the firmware updates being a lie that was spelled out everywhere practically. I guess when you own a bunch of wismec/joytech mods you get spoiled with actual real firmware updates.

 

[GeorgeS]

It also does not explain how/why the "fixed" menu options randomly work. (there is no user entered values here, simply select Ni200 or Ti01 and read/lock the resistance).

(sigh)

 

[Aaron Peik]

Ya it doesn't explain much. I don't want anyone to think i dont love my 213.. my last few posts have been pretty negative and im realizing this and im sorry. I do love the form factor, the fact that it's sexy, and light. Just a bit disappointed in the way this is not/being handled when they're pushing thousands of these out the door every day only to go oops.. were making a new one for half the cost at the end of the month that will have all the features this one was supposed to have. We have all spent alot of money on these mods.

 

[MegaVap]

I've tried everything testing TC TCR TFR nothing working. I will be sending mine back. What the heck! Half the price with working features?? Their explanation is nonsense.

 

[f1vefour]

Come on guys, there's no problem...It's FUD....

Another Sigelei fail, what happened to this company.

 

[TechnoGeek]

Yea not to happy about this, so basicaly we payed twice the price for the carbon? (nobody believes that changing the TCR formula makes a difference in price).
Also the fact that they had to make a special tool to fix the Sig 213 TCR indicates to me that there is indeed no firmware update capability.

I agree 100% as far as price! I do NOT understand the need for a tool though.... The only thing you really need is to change the standard formula for TCR....Yeah, I'm not the guy for that without some time to sit down with a good calculator...But --> TCR formula explanation -->

How does TC work and what is the Temperature Coefficient of Resistance


The TCR is relative to the starting resistance, meaning that the higher the starting resistance of the coil, the greater rate of increase in resistance with temperature. So a 0.10Ω coil heated hundreds of degrees will only increase in resistance by a few 0.1's, whereas a 1.0Ω coil heated the same amount will increase by multiple ohms.

The TCR of pure Nickel is approximately 0.006. This means that for every °C hotter a Ni200 wire gets, its resistance rises by (0.006 * )Ω. So for a coil that starts at 1.0Ω, every degree °C of heating will increase its resistance by 0.006Ω (0.006 *1). For a coil that starts at 0.1Ω, each degree will increase resistance by 0.0006Ω (0.006 * 0.1).

Examples:

• A coil is at 0.10Ω at room temperature (20°C / 68°F)
  • You vape and the chip sees its resistance is now 0.22Ω
    • So it knows its resistance rose by 0.12Ω
  • Then it calculates using the coefficient of 0.006 that a resistance rise of 0.12Ω equals a temperature rise of 200°C (392° F)
    • And therefore the coil temperature is now 220°C (428°F)
    • (0.22Ω - 0.10Ω) / (0.006 * 0.1Ω) = 200°C (392°F)
    • + 20°C (68°F) [starting temp] = 220°C (428°F) [coil temp]
• A coil is at 0.5Ω at room temperature (20°C / 68°F)
  • During vaping the resistance rises to 1.136Ω
  • This is a temperature rise of 212°C / 413°F, from the following calculation:
    • (1.136Ω - 0.50Ω) / (0.006 * 0.5Ω) = 212°C (413°F)
    • + 20°C (68°F) [starting temp] = 232°C (450°F) [coil temp]

 

[Aaron Peik]

Also notice the 213 does TFR by celsius.(vaping on it right now and it's working). Kinda hard to believe TCR is anything but celsius as well.

 

[GeorgeS]

So the standard TCR numbers everyone uses from Steam Engine are for "F" and the device works in "C"?

Humm..... (WTF)....

 

[Aaron Peik]

They are saying the standerd TCR numbers everyone uses are in Celsius, and the 213 does TCR in Fahrenheit. Also they are claiming this causes the device to be way more expensive than normal...hah.

 

[Darthtanien]

Ok....Update from Sigelei. They are aware of the issues. I got an email late last night. this is a quote from part of the email. They are aware of the issues and want to know if any more are found.
"we are compiling a list of issues that will be presented to the engineering team and management at Sigelei. We spoke with the designer of the mod and he will be video conferencing when this meeting takes place. If you are aware of other issues that need immediate attention as far as a firmware upgrade goes, please give us any input"
I will update with info as I get it.