Sigelei 213 owners thread
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I've read the same, and remember one person saying the presets were working and then stopped working.Do the presets work properly? Most say yes, some say no
That's a rip off. 80 max for this mod.
Also those of you asking about the presets (not tcr or tfr). They are working as intended.
I'm not kidding, unfortunately. The lowest price in German online shops is 109 Euro.
But thanks anyway
What about TFR? Does it work?
I read the following posts, which is why I said some people were having a problem...
Sigelei 213 owners thread
Sigelei 213 owners thread
I thought I saw another one as well, where the person said it was working, they went into TCR mode didn't work, then back to standard wire type, and then that did not work. I can't seem to find that message...I'll look and update this message...
Ok, here is the one I remembered, might be a repeat of one of above, but more detail...
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80 bucks for this trainwreck of a mod?!?
They should be paying people to take these imo. I'm absolutely flabbergasted about everything that has unfolded over the last few days and about how Sigelei is handling this.
Someone needs to sue the heck out of this company, no way they would get away with the stunts they're pulling if they were a European or American company.
All shipped units should be pulled out of the stores immediately and people that have already bought one should be given the opportunity to get their money back. That's the only decent way to handle a situation like this imo.
*shakes head in disbelieve*
According to the Sigelei calculator the TCR for wire types I have in stock are:
NI200 = 0.00333
TI01 = 0.00203
SS430 = 0.00077
(there is only room for 4 digits)
I guess I'll ether have to write their support to see if they will add the NiFe types or simply calculate a ratio from the three known types and approximate a TCR from there. Or not.
I can't seem to fathom the double speak as to how a value of "7" could possibly be more accurate than the seemingly industry standard of "138" or "14" but thermal engineering is not my field.
I spent sometime last night with 3 different Ti builds the preset would ether mostly produce a very lame vape or at times just keep feeding the coil the preheat wattage forever. The "lame vape" would start with the preheat than drop to 1-3Watts for the rest of the pull.
After just now entering "20" for the TI01 build I left on the tank last night all I get is "lame vape". It starts with the preheat and then drops to 1.8-2.0W for the remainder of time the fire button is pressed. This is Mod#2. I'll grab #1 out of the car when I get home tonight and see how badly it works.
By entering a temperature offset of +100 seems to help the "lame vape" in both the Ti01 preset and the newfangled TCR of "20" for Ti01.
I'm happily vaping on a Presa100 right now and currently have a iStick Pico and Joytech Cuboid in reach that not only function as advertised but cost a fraction as much as the Sigelei 213 did.
NI200 = 0.00333
TI01 = 0.00203
SS430 = 0.00077
(there is only room for 4 digits)
I guess I'll ether have to write their support to see if they will add the NiFe types or simply calculate a ratio from the three known types and approximate a TCR from there. Or not.
I can't seem to fathom the double speak as to how a value of "7" could possibly be more accurate than the seemingly industry standard of "138" or "14" but thermal engineering is not my field.
I spent sometime last night with 3 different Ti builds the preset would ether mostly produce a very lame vape or at times just keep feeding the coil the preheat wattage forever. The "lame vape" would start with the preheat than drop to 1-3Watts for the rest of the pull.
After just now entering "20" for the TI01 build I left on the tank last night all I get is "lame vape". It starts with the preheat and then drops to 1.8-2.0W for the remainder of time the fire button is pressed. This is Mod#2. I'll grab #1 out of the car when I get home tonight and see how badly it works.
By entering a temperature offset of +100 seems to help the "lame vape" in both the Ti01 preset and the newfangled TCR of "20" for Ti01.
I'm happily vaping on a Presa100 right now and currently have a iStick Pico and Joytech Cuboid in reach that not only function as advertised but cost a fraction as much as the Sigelei 213 did.
I just pop in to totally agree with OhTheAgony!
And I don't understand the Sigelei convertion tool on their website. It gives you 5 digits after the 0. but on the 213 you can only put in 4 digits..
I just don't get it.
And I don't understand the Sigelei convertion tool on their website. It gives you 5 digits after the 0. but on the 213 you can only put in 4 digits..
I just don't get it.
Thanks for doing this research! Not entirely sure what's going on with their tool they just posted and I find it interesting that if their TCR worked differently than what one normally would use, why it was not mentioned in the manual. I mean were they expecting us to figure out that the TCR was measuring in C instead of F?
Btw, discovered a new problem with mine: I seem to be able to only adjust the first three memory slots for TCR. In slot four I can move to different digits but I cannot change them. In the fifth spot, I can change the first digit (the one to the left of the decimal point), but I cannot move to different digits.
Pretty happyt that I didn't buy two more cuboids (or another cuboid and an IPV5) plus a tank for what I paid for this, $99.00 with two batteries. Sigelei's pretty much dead to me at this point.
I believe that if you enter the TFR value from Steam Engine for 572F it will calculate the TCR value for that wire. This might save this thing for me. (long shot!)
Ti01 = 0.00203
Steam Engine 572F = 2.02477 = 0.00203 = 0.0020
Ti01 = 0.00203
Steam Engine 572F = 2.02477 = 0.00203 = 0.0020
I'm using TFR with NiFe and it's working ok.
Like most others, TCR didn't work, can recreate the screen garble as well as the misfire, but luckily in normal operation, my vape style doesn't typically have me vaping at that 13 seconds after the last draw. I think I've had the misfire a total of 4 times since I've had it the past 5 days.
The only reason I went ahead and bought this was the listing of "upgradeable firmware" and I just confirmed it's still listed on MVS's website.
But, since mine is working via TFR, I'll probably keep it as the battery life is good, form factor is good, and I love the look of it. I'll never purchase another segelei product though.
Well 
!!!!!
With several reasons for some celebratory acquisitions, I have the 213 on its way. I've been very happy with my Sig 100+ and saw little in the Temp Control sub here, really liked the looks/size of this, so pulled the trigger. Then I find this thread resulting in another or two!
So let me see if my reading comprehension is up to snuff. If I stay away from TCR/TFR mode, the 213 will operate fine? I use mostly power mode, but just starting out with TC, I do use a TFV4 with Ti coils and a Herakles Plus with factory SS coils. Both would run in the 213's preset TC modes as I understand as would any/most other factory TC coils?
I'm still fairly new to building coils and have only used kanthal on my RBA and RTA's, so I am fine there with power mode. And should I branch out into TC wire at some point, best would be to stay with what would fire under preset TC mode, unless there is an upgrade?
I'm really that these remain on the market with this degree of known problems! Sigelei is now off my favorites list and may make it as my first entry on my never again list.
!!!!!With several reasons for some celebratory acquisitions, I have the 213 on its way. I've been very happy with my Sig 100+ and saw little in the Temp Control sub here, really liked the looks/size of this, so pulled the trigger. Then I find this thread resulting in another
or two!So let me see if my reading comprehension is up to snuff. If I stay away from TCR/TFR mode, the 213 will operate fine? I use mostly power mode, but just starting out with TC, I do use a TFV4 with Ti coils and a Herakles Plus with factory SS coils. Both would run in the 213's preset TC modes as I understand as would any/most other factory TC coils?
I'm still fairly new to building coils and have only used kanthal on my RBA and RTA's, so I am fine there with power mode. And should I branch out into TC wire at some point, best would be to stay with what would fire under preset TC mode, unless there is an upgrade?
I'm really
that these remain on the market with this degree of known problems! Sigelei is now off my favorites list and may make it as my first entry on my never again list.
blow stuff out of proportion much? for people who use power mode or presets in TC, it seems to be working. which is probably a HUGE majority. i know i've been enjoying the heck out of mine every evening in SS316 TC mode with preheat setting.
sigelei's business practice of stating the mod does TCR and TFR, but does not work is pretty shady. as far as firmware upgradeable, i don't know if that's sigelei's fault or a few websites that list that it is firmware upgradeable. but in this day and age, it should be.
i definitely wouldn't call this a trainwreck of a mod, that's for sure....unless i was a TCR/TFR user
blow stuff out of proportion much? for people who use power mode or presets in TC, it seems to be working. which is probably a HUGE majority. i know i've been enjoying the heck out of mine every evening in SS316 TC mode with preheat setting.
sigelei's business practice of stating the mod does TCR and TFR, but does not work is pretty shady. as far as firmware upgradeable, i don't know if that's sigelei's fault or a few websites that list that it is firmware upgradeable. but in this day and age, it should be.
i definitely wouldn't call this a trainwreck of a mod, that's for sure....unless i was a TCR/TFR user
So on one hand I am over-reacting according to your post, while in the second part of your post you seem to call Sigelie's business practice shady which sounds like you're basically agreeing with me on how they run their business.
Why am I even wasting time responding to your post?
I'm happy you enjoy your VW mode, but that's is clearly not everything that this unit was suppose to be about.
Have fun though.
Hug it out, friends! No need to get hacked at each other because Sigelei made a crap mod. And I'm pretty sure I saw a video with "Al" talking about the mod and I think he stated it was upgradable in that video. I could be wrong, but I don't have time to go look it right now.
I haven’t spent the time figuring out what works and what doesn’t with mine. I didn’t like the TC performance from day one. I have a lot of great TC devices so this will be a VW only device for me. I guess the good thing is that it does VW very well and the preheat function is great. I keep telling myself that anyway to feel better about my purchase. It's like having a great looking go fast car but you lift the hood and it has a 4 banger.
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