You say that now, but P4U is not known for their firmware upgradeability. I would hold out for reviews.
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The Fuchai 213 was coming anyway. They didn't make the Fuchai 213 to fix the issues of the Sig213. But since they aren't firmware upgradeable, they were able to implement the fixes to the Fuchai before it went out to vendors. While I agree that the Sig 213 has issues, I don't think annihilating them like it was a conspiracy is warranted either.
If you say so. It definitely has not been confirmed if the issues will be fixed in the Fuchai 213, but it has been confirmed by Sigelei that the release of this product under this name and price tag has something to do with the Sigelei 213's non-functioning TCR. See Sigelei's notice.
Umm.. how do you know this? Last time I checked the product is still in preorder and no reviews have popped up for the device, nor has Sigelei confirmed which chip will the new device have, let alone which issues will be fixed.
Sure, you have a good point and I wholly agree. I'd hate to annihilate anyone, but promises were made and not delivered upon, then they were not tended to swiftly and in an appropriate manner (and truthfully with the exclusion of firmware upgrade their hands were tied (however, does not justify for another promise not fulfilled)); however, the issues highlighted by the owners of the Sigelei 213 were, and still are, real faults to the mod, some faults which are not important to all but faults nonetheless, and due to the thorough investigation of some these owners TCR issues were highlighted and brought to the manufacturer's attention, which resulted in the manufacturer's public admission of the fault and a workaround solution for it, which in turn was made available to the public to benefit the entire community.
This is an owner's thread. The issues are real. Owners speaking of these issues should not imply annihilation of the manufacturer. The manufacturer's own mistakes should speak for itself. And should an owner choose to voice blame on the manufacturer, then it is their right to do so. Sometimes companies don't listen, sometimes they do. I hope for the latter, still.
If they fix all the issues in the Fuchai 213, then I will rock it. Whichever the result, I will not be in a hurry to throw another AUD$150 in Sigelei's direction.
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@Carnage9270 Sorry if it came out a bit too harsh, it certainly appears that way. Time to achieve some balance and show my 213 some love; after all I chose to buy it and keep it.
Nice. How do you like the Avocodo? Looks good together man.@Carnage9270 Sorry if it came out a bit too harsh, it certainly appears that way. Time to achieve some balance and show my 213 some love; after all I chose to buy it and keep it.
I like it a lot, thanks for asking ken. It is the Avo 24 which I have sitting on top of the 213, and I also have an Avo 22 which calls a Cuboid it's home:
I get a dense, warm and flavourful vape out of my Avocados; however, find myself refilling often when I chain vape the small tank empty. A small price to pay.
I was recently torn between the avocado 24 and the griffin 25. The griffin won only because I've had my eye on it longer. Of course I plan on getting an avocado 24 eventually, but I really really want a tsunami 24 now.I like it a lot, thanks for asking ken. It is the Avo 24 which I have sitting on top of the 213, and I also have an Avo 22 which calls a Cuboid it's home:
I get a dense, warm and flavourful vape out of my Avocados; however, find myself refilling often when I chain vape the small tank empty. A small price to pay.
I use my Griff 25 more often, purely because it holds more juice; I still get a warmer and flavourful vape on the short profiled Avo. I do not have a Tsunami 24, but I do have the 22. I haven't given it much use though so I can not comment on its performance. I have seen the reviews and the Tsu 24 looks to be very good, but as of late I have been mainly using tanks and ignoring my RDAs.
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How tricky is the avocado to wick? Is there a certain length the wick needs to be to leech the tank dry, or do you just fill it when the liquid drops to a certain level? I've never used a genie style like that.
It's trickier than most RTAs that aren't genie style...actually its also harder to wick than the Theorem & iJoy limitless IMO.
You fill it like you would on a regular RTA. Even when the liquid lvl is below the wick you will get juice in there by doing the genie tilt.
AFAIK theres 2 ways to effectively wick the avocado24.
1. Like a regular RTA, don't stuff the cotton into the wick holes. Never tried this method, but its been mentioned by fellow members. Just make sure you tilt your mod so juice hits the cotton when vaping.
2. Extend the wick into the wicking holes. Less is better in this case. I find 3-4mm of wick showing below the deck to be suffice. I also taper and trim my cotton so its very thin at the ends. I also make sure theres space between the cotton and the wick hole. The ends of the cotton expands when juiced up. If you don't trim/taper it you'll end up choking your wick leading to burnt taste/dry hits.
I had trouble with the avocado at first. Always had a slight burnt taste. Tried #2 and its working flawlessly right now.
It's not tricky at all. It's important to remember wick expands once it soaks in e-liquid, and thus trimming/tapering the tails helps against too much wick choking the JF holes. As for the length: It all (tails to bottom of the tank, halfway down, just below the deck, or none at all (rest the wicks on the deck as you would in an RDA)) works. The shorter the tails are the more you'll have to tilt the atty. I like to have the tails run either halfway down or to the bottom so I don't have to tilt and refill that much. This way I can vape the tank dry when I want to. In dual coil mode, changing hands between vapes helps in changing the orientation of the tilt. When the liquid level is lower than half: One vape you'll tilt the atty in one direction and wick one half of deck, then change hands and the next vape you'll tilt it the other direction and wick the other half of the deck. Really helps especially when you're chain vaping.
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A bit of background: I co-own a small vape shop (no online presence). We don't deal direct with many companies, but our supplier just put out a notice that the Fuchai 213 is now available for order. At the end of the notice it also says "Buy your firmware upgradable Sigelei Fuchai 213 and experience a truly powerful device."
Is there anyone who can confirm or deny this? Personally, I'm a bit skeptical at this point.
Is there anyone who can confirm or deny this? Personally, I'm a bit skeptical at this point.
Hmm.. and with good reason. You may have to query it directly with the supplier and/or the manufacturer.
There are older posts in this thread leading to Sigelei's facebook where the manufacturer did not confirm the Fuchai 213 will be firmware upgreadable. And going on prior reviews, website and youtube, and vendor listings, everyone was saying the Sigelei 213 was firmware upgradeable. As we now know, upon Sigelei's "lazy" confirmation, this was a false promise. On the Sigelei's website firmware upgradability is not listed in the specs for the Fuchai 213. I am surely not going to be one of the first buyers just to find out for myself.
Do you remember your supplier informing you that the Sigelei 213 was going to be firmware upgradeable? Answer if you feel comfortable to do so.
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I also couldn't find info from any official Sigelei sources on the Fuchai being up-gradable. I was rather hoping someone here may have one in hand by this time.
I can't remember specifically if the newsletter mentioned firmware being up-gradable for the carbon fiber 213 and my deleted emails don't go back far enough.
Still have no regrets about snagging the original one for myself, but I vape in power mode. But I am glad we didn't bring in a pile of them on release.
Edit to add: Just sent an email to our rep. We'll see what they have to say about it.
I can't remember specifically if the newsletter mentioned firmware being up-gradable for the carbon fiber 213 and my deleted emails don't go back far enough.
Still have no regrets about snagging the original one for myself, but I vape in power mode. But I am glad we didn't bring in a pile of them on release.
Edit to add: Just sent an email to our rep. We'll see what they have to say about it.
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I seriously doubt the fuchai is firmware upgradeable.
Has sigelei put out mods that have firmware upgrade capabilities in the past? (legit question not sarcasm).
And as KayP mentioned. 99% of the reviewers, online vendors, had firmware updateable advertised for the sig213 prior to its release.
For those that say the blame lies with the consumer, how else were we supposed to confirm this information when everything out there (almost everything) claims this?
Has sigelei put out mods that have firmware upgrade capabilities in the past? (legit question not sarcasm).
And as KayP mentioned. 99% of the reviewers, online vendors, had firmware updateable advertised for the sig213 prior to its release.
For those that say the blame lies with the consumer, how else were we supposed to confirm this information when everything out there (almost everything) claims this?
Even Sigelei's warranty service center was confused about the firmware upgrade ability of the device:
"We are in the process of compiling a list of issues that will be presented to the engineering team and management team at Sigelei regarding the 213. Hopefully, most issues can be fixed via firmware upgrade. That's what the meeting will be about. Right now, that's the only answer we have to address your issue. We are aware and am trying to fix it.
Best regards,
Sigelei Warranty Center"
While I replied to this email from them I've not heard another peep from them about these issues or anything else. While I commend their initial fast response the lack of follow through which is likely similar for other OEM's does not impress me.
"We are in the process of compiling a list of issues that will be presented to the engineering team and management team at Sigelei regarding the 213. Hopefully, most issues can be fixed via firmware upgrade. That's what the meeting will be about. Right now, that's the only answer we have to address your issue. We are aware and am trying to fix it.
Best regards,
Sigelei Warranty Center"
While I replied to this email from them I've not heard another peep from them about these issues or anything else. While I commend their initial fast response the lack of follow through which is likely similar for other OEM's does not impress me.
I just got off the phone with our rep. He hasn't seen the Fuchai personally (and they don't actually have them in stock, yet). He personally doesn't believe that they will have firmware upgrades and won't change his mind until he sees a firmware update released from Sig. He also didn't seem too happy that they (the supplier) put that statement in the newsletter.
If the rep is on the forum, he probably now knows who I am. Hi!
If the rep is on the forum, he probably now knows who I am. Hi!
I have seen reps on Sigelei's Facebook state that it is not firmware upgradable, but I have also seen the same reps contradict themselves in other statements.
I believe it was rice that posted some screenshots from Sigelei's Facebook page showing a rep saying that the Fuchai 213 used a different chip that the original 213, then in another post say that it is the same chip. The posts are in this thread somewhere.
Anyway, I'd take anything they say with a grain of salt at this point and err on the side of caution. I would just assume that it is not upgradable unless direct owners of the device can confirm that they have plugged it in and upgraded it.
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I e-mailed them and got a response saying that it was not, so they can't even be consistent with their info.
"Hi Cory,
Sigelei has informed us that it is NOT firmware upgradeable. We don't have an answer on what plans they have to address some of the known bugs.
Best regards,
Sigelei Warranty Center"
I think what is lost in translation from Sigelei's initial response that most issues can be fixed via firmware upgrade is that the upgrade can't be done by users, but can be done by Sigelei. They can fix the issues moving forward, but you're stuck with what you purchased. So when they responded by saying it can be fixed via a firmware upgrade, that was true, just not what people interpreted it as. But it is 100% confirmed that the Sig213 and the Fuchai 213 ARE NOT firmware upgrade-able, no matter what the distributor says.
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