Sigelei Zmax V3 and V5 Telescopic: User's Group

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VapieDan, you probably missed the initial post that started this "Noalox" conversation, but we were attempting to help with a similar product that might be locally available in Australia. There aren't any Home Depot's down there, however Gato makes a good point regarding the fact that there is in all likelihood an equivalent product available there locally that does the same thing that Noalox does.

According to the MSDS, OxGuard contains conductive zinc particles (also found in Noalox) which "should" do a similar job of improving conductivity in the threads. I have no idea if that particular product can be found for sale in Australia, but it would be worth researching for those that are hunting for something similar to Noalox.
 

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VapieDan, you probably missed the initial post that started this "Noalox" conversation, but we were attempting to help with a similar product that might be locally available in Australia. There aren't any Home Depot's down there, however Gato makes a good point regarding the fact that there is in all likelihood an equivalent product available there locally that does the same thing that Noalox does.

According to the MSDS, OxGuard contains conductive zinc particles (also found in Noalox) which "should" do a similar job of improving conductivity in the threads. I have no idea if that particular product can be found for sale in Australia, but it would be worth researching for those that are hunting for something similar to Noalox.

FWIW, I use Ox-Gard (because that's what my small town hardware store had) and it seems to work fine.
 

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VapieDan, you probably missed the initial post that started this "Noalox" conversation, but we were attempting to help with a similar product that might be locally available in Australia. There aren't any Home Depot's down there, however Gato makes a good point regarding the fact that there is in all likelihood an equivalent product available there locally that does the same thing that Noalox does.

According to the MSDS, OxGuard contains conductive zinc particles (also found in Noalox) which "should" do a similar job of improving conductivity in the threads. I have no idea if that particular product can be found for sale in Australia, but it would be worth researching for those that are hunting for something similar to Noalox.

Noalox & Ox-Gard are basically the same thing..


The main thing for both is the zinc dust/powder, which is important for the electrical conductivity..

The difference lies in the recipe for the petroleum-based carrier for that zinc.. but both formulas consist of lubricating ingredients, per MSDS.. Whether it's silicon or graphite, does it really matter? Not to my eyes, for this particular application..

The important thing is that they're both lubricants containing zinc, which helps the threading work in tandem with the conductivity smoothly, properly & efficiently...


Another group that uses these two is the model train guys.. You'll see them having debates over which is better, too, LOL..

Honestly, whatever is available...


As for Australia (or anywhere else).. How about eBay?


ProVape (of ProVari fame) also carries it.. I'm assuming they ship to Australia? I wouldn't see why not.. It's not like it's North Korea or something...

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It's about 2 yrs old.
Not sure what happened, the light was blinking so I changed the batt & it just died. I think the contact pin may have gone bye-bye.
I've dropped it twice on concrete but my Phyniac tank held up well though.

You might want to swing by the ProVape forum here at ECF..

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Long-time/experienced customers there can help troubleshoot any issues..

Also, there are a few ProVape reps there who lurk about sometimes, since it's a Supplier Forum...
 

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Noalox is available at very good price from Home Depot

I couldn't find it there at all, I had to drive down the road and get mine at Lowes. But, neither of those stores may be in Australia, I really couldn't say, but yeah, there would nearly have to be some congruent product in Australia, they do have electrical stuff down there.

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VapieDan, you probably missed the initial post that started this "Noalox" conversation, but we were attempting to help with a similar product that might be locally available in Australia. There aren't any Home Depot's down there, however Gato makes a good point regarding the fact that there is in all likelihood an equivalent product available there locally that does the same thing that Noalox does.

According to the MSDS, OxGuard contains conductive zinc particles (also found in Noalox) which "should" do a similar job of improving conductivity in the threads. I have no idea if that particular product can be found for sale in Australia, but it would be worth researching for those that are hunting for something similar to Noalox.

There use to be a product with copper in it that I usedorro lubing light sockets on autos to prevent corrosion. I am sure it is not around now due to the price of copper.
 

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There use to be a product with copper in it that I usedorro lubing light sockets on autos to prevent corrosion. I am sure it is not around now due to the price of copper.

Now that you mention it VapieDan, I recall using something similar while I was in the military that was used on the threads for antenna connections. It would come in the packaging along with the antenna hardware when it was purchased (small little tube with just enough for the installation).

The copper based products are still available, but they are more expensive. They also come in different variations of conductive metal particles, such as copper, aluminum, nickel, bronze, etc. The different mixtures of metal particles are designed for specific types of metal-to-metal connections in the threads (or other types of mating surfaces). This is because when you mate dissimilar metals, it can cause an electro-chemical type of corrosion called "galvanic corrosion" (especially at much higher electrical currents). Different mixtures of anti-oxidant conductive grease are formulated with these dissimilar metal mating surfaces in mind to eliminate or reduce galvanic corrosion. For example, a zinc-based compound is recommended when aluminum-to-aluminum or aluminum-to-copper connections are used. I've read that a compound of nickel, copper, and bronze particles is often used when steel-to-steel mating surfaces are used to reduce galvanic corrosion.

These anti-oxidant conductive compounds are often used in the Telecommunications industry when an electrical connection is made that will basically be permanent and ensure a lasting, corrosion-free, reliable electrical connection. Since the threads in our Sigelei's are not a permanent connection, galvanic corrosion is likely not much of a concern for us. Those threads get moved around and cleaned often enough that it likely isn't an issue (electrical current is also relatively low). However, making a good electrical connection can be a concern, as many of us have already experienced first-hand.

Without much evidence to back myself up with, I'd be willing to go out on a limb and say that a copper-based compound would be the best type to use since copper is a better conductor than zinc. It probably isn't the best choice where galvanic corrosion is concerned (the Sigelei is steel-to-steel), but again I don't see that type of corrosion as a threat on these PV's. Having said that, it doesn't mean I'm going to toss my Noalox and order a $20 bottle of copper-based compound. My Noalox seems to do a good enough job of improving my electrical connection so that my device works reliably, and that's good enough for me. Once my Noalox runs out, I could consider buying a copper-based compound, but the added expense just doesn't seem to justify it over the much cheaper Noalox (or any other cheaper zinc-based compound for that matter).

Here are a couple of additional links I came across for purchasing anti-oxidant conductive compound if anyone is interested:

Georgia Copper (Copper or Zinc based)
Morris Anti-Oxidant (Zinc based)
The Wire Man (Multiple formulations of copper, aluminum, nickel, and bronze)
 
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I keep a tube of Permatex Dielectric Tune-Up Grease in the toolbox to waterproof light bulb and other electrical connections on the boat. It's a little more toxic than Noalox so I don't use it on the Sigelei.

Permatex Dielectric Tune-Up Grease

I use it to waterproof and moisture-proof navigation light bulb and LED connections, spark plug connections, 12VDC connectors on the solar panels, etc. Available from Ace Hardware.
 
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In other online shopping news the V5 remains available in colors. As always, expect to shop around more and don't expect much of a discount on V5 colored models.

Sweet Spot Vapor has been selling V5 in colors for several months, including rainbow. Rainbow is a heat-treated stainless steel and the rainbows we have seen on this thread are a heated treated brushed stainless steel, not polished steel.

Sigelei Zmax V5 - SweetSpotVapor

Purplepeep's great photo of a V5 with rainbow brushed stainless steel.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-telescopic-users-group-103.html#post12888071
 

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I keep a tube of Permatex Dielectric Tune-Up Grease in the toolbox to waterproof light bulb and other electrical connections on the boat. It's a little more toxic than Noalox so I don't use it on the Sigelei.

Permatex Dielectric Tune-Up Grease

I use it to waterproof and moisture-proof navigation light bulb and LED connections, spark plug connections, 12VDC connectors on the solar panels, etc. Available from Ace Hardware.

Permatex is good stuff Yzer. I keep a tube of that around as well. I think you can buy it in just about any automotive store such as AutoZone, O'Riely's, etc. I think the last time I used it was around the inside of my spark plug rubber boot connections. Like you said, it works well to keep water and other contamination out of electrical connections. No handyman should be without a tube of it who likes to work on his own car (or boat in your case :)).

Just so we don't confuse anyone regarding these products, we should probably mention that dielectric grease acts like an insulator to electric current (as well as electric fields to some extent), whereas conductive greases such as Noalox or OxGuard allow current to pass through them due to the metallic particles they contain.

So the next logical question someone might ask about dielectric grease is "Why would anyone use it on electrical contacts if it acts like an insulator?" As I'm sure you already know, the answer is that the dielectric grease is squeezed out of the way when the metal mating surfaces are forced together, such as when a wire connector is compressed under a threaded nut or when a bulb is screwed down firmly into a socket. Enough metal-to-metal contact takes place to make a good electrical connection while the surrounding grease shields it from air, water, and other contamination.

So for the sake of argument (and aside from the disturbing toxicity issue you mentioned), dielectric grease probably wouldn't cause any conductivity issues or create any additional problems if used on the Sigelei threads. However, we can probably agree that it might not be the best solution if the intent is to "improve" the poor or imperfect electrical connection the threads already seem to have. That's where the conductive grease will likely give us the best results due to it's metallic content (Noalox, OxGuard, etc.).

By the way, thanks for mentioning that that Permatex was a bit toxic. I was not aware of that. That should hopefully be enough to caution anyone from using it on their PV. :unsure:
 

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In other online shopping news the V5 remains available in colors. As always, expect to shop around more and don't expect much of a discount on V5 colored models.

Yeah. *grump* There's a gunmetal v5 flattop that keeps calling my name, but it's $84 at vividsmoke, and $62 at sweet-vapes. I wish I could just find an iTaste vv3 in gunmetal, or a gunmetal wrap for it, but that keeps not happening, so I may end up getting that v5 gunmetal flattop. Later... $62 is a lot more than I've spent on other mods so far.

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Yeah. *grump* There's a gunmetal v5 flattop that keeps calling my name, but it's $84 at vividsmoke, and $62 at sweet-vapes. I wish I could just find an iTaste vv3 in gunmetal, or a gunmetal wrap for it, but that keeps not happening, so I may end up getting that v5 gunmetal flattop. Later... $62 is a lot more than I've spent on other mods so far.

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If you can wait for shipping.............

$44.37 Authentic Sigelei Zmax V5 Telescopic Variable Volt/Watt Mod - gunmetal at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping
 

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Yeah, I've seen that, and yes, I think that may be my best option, if I do decide to go for the gunmetal v5. I mean I already have a sigelei, 2 vv3s and an ARO Winder, so I'm not exactly hurting for mods, so that may be a case where the savings actually warrants the long wait and I wouldn't be standing on my head in impatience, given the other mods I already have.

But I'm still hoping for either a gunmetal vv3, or a gun-metal *look* wrap for it, which is why I keep dithering about the gunmetal v5.

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Yeah, I've seen that, and yes, I think that may be my best option, if I do decide to go for the gunmetal v5. I mean I already have a sigelei, 2 vv3s and an ARO Winder, so I'm not exactly hurting for mods, so that may be a case where the savings actually warrants the long wait and I wouldn't be standing on my head in impatience, given the other mods I already have.

But I'm still hoping for either a gunmetal vv3, or a gun-metal *look* wrap for it, which is why I keep dithering about the gunmetal v5.

Andria
I'd go the FT route for the gunmetal V5 rather than wrap.
 

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This may solve problems some people have with the gap between the flat top version of the Sigelei V5 top cap and atomizers. Slotting the top cap was recommended by people on this thread months ago and some have actually done it with a cutting wheel. Air slots on the 510 connector have been there forever. To make these slotted top caps really work the top cap should be at the same height as the top of the 510 connector. On my V5 and second generation V3 the top cap is 1mm shorter than the 510. Same goes for first gen V3 with non-removable top cap. I have yet to see this top cap modification on V5s sold in the US but that doesn't mean it isn't here already. This won't help if the 510 connector on the atomizer is longer than standard length, which happens.
 
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