Sigelei Zmax V3 and V5 Telescopic: User's Group

[yzer]

The proof. The Zmax V5 has been vaping this stock 1.5ohm dual coil iClear at about 6 watts and *just* dropped as I hit 600 vapes (a full 10 seconds each!) on one charge of the Orbtronic SX30 18650 high Drain 30A hybrid which is (only) rated at 2100mAh. People, that's 6000 seconds total button time!!!
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That's sounds great. Why is it rated only 2100mAh?

 

[69CamaroSS]

That's sounds great. Why is it rated only 2100mAh?

I don't know for sure. Possibly since it's a "Ultra High Drain" 30A. Either way, I'm loving the Orbtronic. My Zmax now runs WAY better (higher wattage/voltage) than with the junk batteries that came with the starter kit....as well as lasting CONSIDERABLY longer. It now lasts more that I can vape in two nights (and I'm vaping A LOT). It's my understanding that these are re-wrapped Pannys but I haven't tried those for comparison purposes

 

[Flush1]

Purple Efest 18650 30A 2500mAh is at 101 Vape but out of stock, natch. I'll look into the Panasonic NCR18650PF for sure. With my vaping at 6.5 watts the 10A is more than enough headroom for me. More capacity suits me better.

Orbtronic.com has them rewrapped, pd2900 is their part number. Come with a case.

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[Gallant]

Out of these 3 batteries that I tested:
Efest 18650 30A 2100mAh
Panasonic IMR High Drain HYBRID CGR18650CH 3.7V 2250mAh
Samsung ICR 18650-26F
The best cycle I got so far (4.2 to 3.4) is the Samsung went through 10 ml of juice @ 8 watts 2.2 BDC clearo the other 2 batteries went through 6ml of juice only.

 

[JeremyR]

Just checked my fairly new 3 month old efest 18650 10 amp 2000mah battery that was on my efest SODA charger over night at 1 amp charge rate. Voltage off the charger = 4.15 . I'm thinking this is a great charger. Chargers anything in about an hour safely. And only costs 11.00 from vapingcraze. (Use 1/2 amp setting for anything below 18650, still about an hour)

Nothing lasts me longer than stacked batteries. Even these little joyelife 16340 750 mah last me 4 times longer than a single 2000 18650. With no drop in power till the very end.

However that Samsung sounds very good for a single.

 

[69CamaroSS]

Hi all. I have a question about my new Segelei Zmax V5. It's rated at a possible output of 6v or 15w. While I do realize the stacking two 18350 batteries (controversial) is required to achieve these max output levels, I'm confused about it's output with one 18650. I received a Segelei 18650 ICR 2200mAh battery with the MOD and thought this may have been limiting the unit's (regulated) output. I purchased 2 IMR 18650 30A Orbtronic SX30 2100mAh Ultra High Drain Hybrid batteries assuming that the Segelei ICR batteries didn't have enough continuous capable Amp output. Even with the Orbtronic's, capable of THREE times the Amp output and CONSIDERABLY less internal resistance, I'm getting the EXACT same output from the Zmax!?!? Really confusing When set at it's max 15w, I'm only getting 8.1w on an iClear16 with a 1.5 ohm dual-coil atty, getting 6.4w with a PT3 BDC 2.0 ohm and 5.4w with the Vivi Nova 2.4 ohm with either battery installed and fully charged to 4.2v. These outputs are 1/2-1/3 of the Zmax's advertised capabilities and WAY less than the 30A the Orbtronic batteries can continuously output. I have tried changing the Zmax back and forth between it's RMS and Mean setting which made no difference whatsoever in the output. If I switch to the volt setting and set the Zmax at 6v, I get 3.6v with either the iClear16 1.5ohm or the PT3 at 2.0 ohm and the Vivi Nova (2.4 ohm) gets 3.7!!!
How is it that a regulated MOD (supposedly) capable of 15W or 6V is only achieving a fraction of it's advertised outputs and it obviously makes no difference with the most powerful (and best?) battery you can buy for it?

 

[Deckacards]

69CamaroSS,

That's a drawback of the Zmax that I've had a hard time dealing with, but have now accepted. A lot of people aren't bothered by its limitations as they typically vape around 7-8 watts, but for others, they could easily be a reason to sideline the device for a product with better regulation. I enjoy making my own coils and using dripping atomizers where 15+ watts is optimal for me. If I don't have a stacked battery setup, I just deal with the 9~ watts and take more drags.

All things considered, I do love the device. Aside from my screen shifting (probably due in part to a few drops my Zmax sustained) its durable, and I haven't had any other physical issues. Even though I can't afford another PV at the moment, I'm in no rush to go out and purchase another.

To answer your question about different quality batteries providing the same limited output: The limitations you're seeing with the voltage output are due to the Zmax's circuitry, not the battery's potential max output. Still though, I'd always encourage the use of IMR batteries in any PV.

 

[JeremyR]

Your missing the way that all vv mods work.. Even provaris are chip limited by amperage. I'm not gonna debate it because it's already been done, but what device puts out 6v @ 4 amps with a single battery.. None unless your going to much higher priced DNA mods.

You have to used stacked to reach full output in the zmax, this is by it's design.

Your only providing 4.2v no matter what amps the battery can handle. The chip can only boost 4.2v to 6v when under 2.4 amps. Above 2.4 amps you need to provide it with stacked voltage of 6.4-8.4v : the chip can then easily ramp down to provide max power 6/15 up to 4amps current.

Single battery is some where between 2.3 & 2.5 amps max, I've settled on a rating of 2.5amps, use ohms law, optimal ohms is 2.4 providing 6v/15w @ 2.5 amps

*****See this chart and follow the 2.5 amp - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...xZLVd5aDkwUEJEZXc&f=true&noheader=false&gid=1

Not sure how your testing that but based on 2.5 amp max ouput - the vivi 2.4 is getting 6v /15w, the 2 ohm 5v12.5w, the 1.5 ohm 3.7v/9.15w



You guys missed that part of the thread probably. It started at post 1215 in this thread.


Also see my blog - "this knowledge is literally power to vapers"
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/blogs/jeremyr/5666-knowledge-literally-power-vapers.html
And stacked info I've found - http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ng-info-stacked-batteries-regulated-mods.html

 

[69CamaroSS]

Your missing the way that all vv mods work.. Even provaris are chip limited by amperage. I'm not gonna debate it because it's already been done, but what device puts out 6v @ 4 amps with a single battery.. None unless your going to much higher priced DNA mods.

You have to used stacked to reach full output in the zmax, this is by it's design.

Your only providing 4.2v no matter what amps the battery can handle. The chip can only boost 4.2v to 6v when under 2.4 amps. Above 2.4 amps you need to provide it with stacked voltage of 6.4-8.4v : the chip can then easily ramp down to provide max power 6/15 up to 4amps current.

Single battery is 2.5 amps max, use ohms law, optimal ohms is 2.4 providing 6v/15w @ 2.5 amps
See - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...xZLVd5aDkwUEJEZXc&f=true&noheader=false&gid=1

Not sure how your testing that but the vivi 2.4 is getting 6v /15w
I wish!! It's only outputting 3.7V at 5.4W on the 2.4 ohm Vivi with a fully charged battery!

Stacked is 4 amps max.

You guys missed that part of the thread probably.

Please review my blog - "this knowledge is literally power to vapers"
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/blogs/jeremyr/5666-knowledge-literally-power-vapers.html

And stacked info I've found - http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ng-info-stacked-batteries-regulated-mods.html

Jeremy,
Your chart is by FAR the best I've seen. Thank you for the info. My confusion is based on the fact that with a fully charged 4.2V battery with WAY more amps than the MOD is capable of, I'm still only getting ~3.5V at 1.6A when vaping....is this just a function of Ohms law and the resistance of the atty? This is disappointingly low, it seems. As far as measuring, I'm relying on the OLED screen on the Zmax while vaping to get the numbers I posted.

 

[JeremyR]

Ok I do not have a v5 but it's the same chip. So your saying when you set it to 15w with the 2.4 ohm it reads 5.4w when you fire it?

It is a function of ohms law. As You study the chart keeping 2.5 amps as The limiting factor, you can see how the ouput to the coil is restricted at lower ohms.

The higher the amps load the faster it drains batteries. I always got longest life and best performance with 3+ ohms on a single battery. As it only drains at 2 amps at 6 volts.

Vv mods can pulse a single battery to an 8 amp load on the battery. This is why the kit batteries suck because as they drop below 4.2 thier amp rating drops as well limiting that which is available to the chip. So a 10 amp imr is recommended.

I do run stacked batteries in mine now and they last me almost 4 times longer than single efest 18650 2000 mah - when I'm running below 2.4 ohms. This is so I can use 28g and get full power and long life down to 1.4 ohms

I just found the chart.. It is great, the credit goes to shado who ever that is? - glad it's there though.

 

[JeremyR]

Also by ohms law, I can deduct that - if your getting 3.7 to 3.8v output - your running a 1.5 ohm coil.

Now if you took that battery @ 4.2 and put a .2 ohm coil in a good mech you would pull 21 amps 88 watts. Or put 1.5ohm on a mech @fully charged 4.2 and get 2.8amps / 11.76 watts.

Here a calculator too - http://www.ohmslawcalculator.com/ohms_law_calculator.php

Edit - just saw your change 1.6 amps at 3.5v is 5.5 with 2.2 ohm coil. You should be able to get much more than that output on a 2.4 ohm coil. Full 6/15 is what you should get.

** something I overlooked - ** possibly you may be Running in voltage mode! set at 3.5 which the mod may show you that it is 5.4-5.5w that your vaping.. ? Check to make sure the voltage is turned up or switch to wattage mode and take it up. By everything you have stated - it all equals that you are in fact in voltage mode at 3.4-3.6v output?

 

[69CamaroSS]

Ok I do not have a v5 but it's the same chip. So your saying when you set it to 15w with the 2.4 ohm it reads 5.4w when you fire it?

correct. Using a 2.4 Ohm Vivi: set at 15W it reads 5.4W. Set at 6V it reads 3.7V! Normal?? Came out of the box brand new that way last week. Testing a 3.2 ohm now and set at 15 W it reads 3.8W when I fire it.

It is a function of ohms law. As You study the chart keeping 2.5 amps as The limiting factor, you can see how the ouput to the coil is restricted at lower ohms.
absolutely! Just trying to get more dense vapor production and better flavor. The Zmax is supposedto have a 5A max but I'm only consistently getting only 1.4-1.5

The higher the amps load the faster it drains batteries. I always got longest life and best performance with 3+ ohms on a single battery. As it only drains at 2 amps at 6 volts.

Vv mods can pulse a single battery to an 8 amp load on the battery. This is why the kit batteries suck because as they drop below 4.2 thier amp rating drops as well limiting that which is available to the chip. So a 10 amp imr is recommended.

this is why I bought the 30A Orbtronic (overkill due to my frustration) but it fires at almost exactly the same as it did with with the crappy ICRs in the kit!

I do run stacked batteries in mine now and they last me almost 4 times longer than single efest 18650 2000 mah - when I'm running below 2.4 ohms. This is so I can use 28g and get full power and long life down to 1.4 ohms

What wattage are you running stacked? I tried stacking but constantly got horribly burnt tastes.

I just found the chart.. It is great, the credit goes to shado who ever that is? - glad it's there though.

I'm glad you did!!! I'll be referring to it quite often!

 

[TinyTimberGal]

Could anyone give me their opinion on this Sigelei Zmax V3 - CLEARANCE Sigelei ZMAX V3- colors - 101 Vape The price is right, but does this model have a bad rep?

 

[JeremyR]

It does put out more power, but anything below 2.3 hasn't been a problem for me. You just run it lower than you normally would because it's putting out that value for real with little loss, also the pwm seems to pulse higher @ 7v instead of 6v. So you can run a lower setting for the same heat. Battery lasting even longer. I quadruple my run times compared to single bat. Its best for 28g below 2 ohms. I'm using and rba with 1.7 ohm at 11 watts. You also fast flowing wick set up to keep it nice and moist.

Will have to wait for a v5 owner to chime in on the screen read out

correct. Using a 2.4 Ohm Vivi: set at 15W it reads 5.4W. Set at 6V it reads 3.7V! Normal?? Came out of the box brand new that way last week. Testing a 3.2 ohm now and set at 15 W it reads 3.8W when I fire it.

Uh don't know what's going on there. If you were really that low you would hardly get a vape out of it. Is that the case ? If so you have a problem.

 

[69CamaroSS]

It does put out more power, but anything below 2.3 hasn't been a problem for me. You just run it lower than you normally would because it's putting out that value for real with little loss, also the pwm seems to pulse higher @ 7v instead of 6v. So you can run a lower setting for the same heat. Battery lasting even longer. I quadruple my run times compared to single bat. Its best for 28g below 2 ohms. I'm using and rba with 1.7 ohm at 11 watts. You also fast flowing wick set up to keep it nice and moist.

Will have to wait for a v5 owner to chime in on the screen read out



Uh don't know what's going on there. If you were really that low you would hardly get a vape out of it. Is that the case ? If so you have a problem.

I'm getting a vape out of it but it's not even measuring up to the Halo Triton non-VV/VW that I was "moving up" from when I decided to purchase it. Even after spending as much on top of the line batteries and a good charger as I did on the Zmax, I've been having to double-vape every hit for the full 10 seconds (until the protect auto shutoff kicks in) to even get a decent vape. NOTHING like all the videos and reviews I've seen and read! The slack company that I foolishly ordered it from (a few bucks cheaper than others at the time) has been ignoring my emails about other products ordered that I was charged for but never received (even though the invoice and shipping list show them as included in the shipment!) Surely not going to be worth the trouble to try to get Sigelei to honor the one year warranty and ship back and forth across the planet....probably would take months and IF I get it back or replaced, it'll take so long I'd be back on analogs waiting!! I guess I'll be stacking 18350s and eventually "moving up" again when I can afford it.
Lesson: DO NOT simply purchase the cheapest deal on anything from anyone!! DO deal with reputable companies with a customer service dept that will answer emails and not just run you around on the phone!!

 

[JeremyR]

Wow, sorry to hear that.. Have you completed a software version check? Try it.. It also resets the Sigelei which may help you... Does it read the battery voltage correctly? Do you feel the mod heating up anywhere?

 

[tunggua]

Hmm, interesting. I do have a V5 and all these while never thought the display actually showing real output voltage/wattage during firing. I do remember reading some owners' claimed of it.

My V5 from new have been running on stacked AW18350s exclusively and the display always showed my set voltage/wattage even maxed out at 6V/15W. I will still show the same even with the batteries running down 6.8V(which is the lowest they have been before i charge 'em up).

So today,after reading the last few posts, I tried using a fully charged AW IMR1600 18650.
Cranked to the max 6V,firing the same single 2.3ohm coil I've been using and the display actually showed 5.5V!

Set it to power mode, cranked to 15W with the same coil and it showed 12.1W during firing!

So,it does show actual output and stacked 18350s can't be beaten by single batt when it comes to performance and battery life.

I realised stacking is a taboo here but for these chips, that's how they're most efficient.

 

[JeremyR]

Thanks for this Tunggua ! Also I'm happy to have another stacked user on board.

I just realized- duh - why they last so much longer.. You get 2 volts of run time, 8.4 to 6.4 instead of 4.2 to 3.2. Well once you get to 3.4 your losing a lot of power in single configuration. Also it's a lot less stress on the circuitry and battery because your providing more power than it needs. These together add up to 3-4 times the run time.

Could anyone give me their opinion on this Sigelei Zmax V3 - CLEARANCE Sigelei ZMAX V3- colors - 101 Vape The price is right, but does this model have a bad rep?

Looks like a good deal. They say its stainless, my thought was its aluminum, but says stainless and I got my v3 from 101. The paint will likely not hold up but for 29.00 it looks to be the same as ours.

 

[trickydisco]

Just bought a new v5 after reviewing this thread. Thanks for all of the in depth info! The version I have fits an 18490 perfectly in short
Mode with the extender battery cap that's included. The button is also stainless and not clear. So far the unit has been great!


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[VapieDan]

Just bought a new v5 after reviewing this thread. Thanks for all of the in depth info! The version I have fits an 18490 perfectly in short
Mode with the extender battery cap that's included. The button is also stainless and not clear. So far the unit has been great!


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That button change will make a big difference. I have an older V5 and the button is the only "Cheap" part on it. Could not understand the button unless they planned to back light it. Congratz and enjoy!