Siren 2 tips and tricks

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I recently bought a Siren 2 MTL rta. The included coil is 1.1 ohm, and I find vaping at 15w to be just right. However, when I chain vape at 15w, or try above 20w, I get dry hits. Is the problem the quality of the cotton? Or this rta is not supposed to handle 15+ watts?

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I have Siren2. Never had a dry hit. Do try it with some different wick material. Maybe a little less in the channels where wick passes thru deck. I like a lot of cotton in my coil, though, and no dry hits so far. I have used organic cotton from vape store, and the Japanese (PUFF) stuff from Amazon, as well as the KoGenDo. Haven't tried Rayon yet, but @stols001 will probably be by to weigh in on the rayon.
 

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Just now I filled the tank and I got leakage. when I blow in the chimney, juice comes out from the air holes. What has gone wrong? I didn't pour juice in the chimney. But I did turn the mod upside down to see how much liquid is in the tank, which I thought should be harmless.
I can rotate upside down without problem, for short period, but I wouldn't make a habit of it. I do it now and then to mix a little extra menthol into a tankful. Check all your o-rings and seals, and make sure nothing is assembled crooked. Really, you shouldn't have a leaking problem. I do get a little condensation around bottom sometimes. Keep experimenting with your wicking. Unless you have a problem with seals, that is about the only thing changeable on this unit. It is about as simple a tank as you can find. If you are using very short coils, and not enough wick, juice can drip from coil down into air holes. You can try a smaller diameter coil, or smaller wire gauge, and more wraps.
 

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I have Siren2. Never had a dry hit. Do try it with some different wick material. Maybe a little less in the channels where wick passes thru deck. I like a lot of cotton in my coil, though, and no dry hits so far. I have used organic cotton from vape store, and the Japanese (PUFF) stuff from Amazon, as well as the KoGenDo. Haven't tried Rayon yet, but @stols001 will probably be by to weigh in on the rayon.
I am quite new to using Rayon but have to say, I am sold on it, so pure, with no flavor & its easy to wick but I think its more suited to high ohm/low watt vaping.
 

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I am quite new to using Rayon but have to say, I am sold on it, so pure, with no flavor & its easy to wick but I think its more suited to high ohm/low watt vaping.
Nice collection of PV in your avatar! Haven't been to get any rayon yet, so nothing I can add there, but there are 2 Sally Beauty stores within 10 miles, so I surely will do eventually!
 

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Okay, so I tried to change the wicks for the first time (The shopper did the first wicking and it looked very easy). However, the wicking material (cotton or rayon or whatever it is) gets teared apart so easily. I tried to get it through coil, but it got torn every time. Finally I managed to do the wicking by pushing the wick from behind, instead of pulling it from the other side.

Now I get no dry hits even at 25w, but the airflow is less. What's going on?
 
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Okay, so I tried to change the wicks for the first time (The shopper did the first wicking and it looked very easy). However, the wicking material (cotton or rayon or whatever it is) gets teared apart so easily. I tried to get it through coil, but it got torn every time. Finally I managed to do the wicking by pushing the wick from behind, instead of pulling it from the other side.

Now I get no dry hits even at 25w, but the airflow is less. What's going on?

You do it wrong. You should not push wick from behind. If you do you are compressing cotton too much and it will not wick correctly... You will get dry hits... If the wicking material tear apart easily when pulling through coil it means you use too much cotton... If there is less airflow it can be that airflow is flooded or some cotton remnant blocks airflow under coil...

Proper amount of cotton should easily be pulled from both direction with small amount of resistance... see many you tube videos how to properly wick your siren.
 

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When wicking, to get more cotton through it you need to be twisting it while pulling it through so you can get the max amount inside the coil. Just do not pull so hard as to distort the coil. The coil must keep its shape while doing this. Then make sure both legs are fluffed out You can always cut the top 2 layers of cotton/rayon off of the legs at the coil ends. This gives more cotton in the coil and helps when thinning the legs. Rayon compresses when wet so more is needed unlike cotton that fluffs up when wet.

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Sure, I'll weigh in. My wicking was the Suck until I tried rayon (dry hits, leaking, and I mean BAD leaking and etc.)

Rayon plays to my strengths, (overstuffing the coil) and even with rayon, I found I had to dial it back a bit, as if it's too tight in the coil, the rayon will break in two in the coil.

I've never had dry hits with the Siren and if I were to, I would immediately diagnose myself as having too much wick.

Rayon shrinks as it gets wet, so what I do is use a REASONABLE amount in the coil, enough so there is the slightest hint of "resistance" if I try to move the wick. THEN I trim and thin my tails quite a bit (you need to do that a bit more with rayon in most tanks, in my opinion. I find that with tails, less is more. Because the wick is using a capillary action where it draws eliquid up through the wick to the coil, (think: exactly what plants do, like celery, you try to chomp too much celery at once you'll wind up with a bunch of fibers in your mouth and a lot of saliva going nowhere) if your tails are too thick you can wind up with a "choked" wick that has dry spots in it, and hence, dry hits.

This is true for cotton by the way, as well. And yes, it sounds like you aren't cutting your cotton by the grain, if you look closely you will see what looks almost like wood grain and you need to cut WITH the grain, not across the grain. This may enable you to use cotton more effectively if you so desire, but unless you are in love with cotton (I was more in hate with cotton). Why not try rayon for eleven bucks you can get enough rayon to last a life time (although you can for sure start with the smaller box, I did. Sally's is a good source be sure to get the rayon marked 100% rayon, they also sell a cellucotton (the Brand is Graham) which is cotton and you don't want that. You can also get it from Amazon if you so desire, plus it lasts longer, withstands heat better (seriously I have a mod that just LOVES to change its resistance seemingly by magic until I finally locked in my settings, LOL) and I have had a mouthful or two of my puny MTL setup that was all of a sudden 67.4 watts, etc., and you'd THINK that would have killed my wick instantly, but it didn't. I get a ton of life out of my builds and wicks with rayon and frankly I have a fine motor tremor so you'd think that just rewicking and dry burning or cleaning the coil would be no big deal, but for me it's a bit of a chore, so I appreciate that extra wick life.

You can also rinse rayon with distilled water (carefully and remove the tank first) for flavor changes and whatnot. I tried it first because someone said it was a "thing" and I was curious. My "cleaned" rayon held up longer than I imagined it would although arguably this method is JUST as time consuming as rewicking (and you have to leave it in the coil) so I don't really much, but I do think it's cool.

Rayon solved ALL my leaking problems. In fact I had to use LESS than I imagined, and really trim thin tails, or else I got dry hits which frankly is preferable to leaking all over my mod and etc., but rayon is AWESOME once you know how to use it. The folks on this thread solved ALL my problems with two or three questions, seriously.

Rayon Wick - Better Flow, Flavor, Longevity, and Nic Hit!! - Pt.2

No offense to cotton intended or implied. Etc. I just find rayon far easier in almost all ways and it tastes "fine" and by that I mean No Taste Whatsoever. Good luck,

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Sure, I'll weigh in. My wicking was the Suck until I tried rayon (dry hits, leaking, and I mean BAD leaking and etc.)

Rayon plays to my strengths, (overstuffing the coil) and even with rayon, I found I had to dial it back a bit, as if it's too tight in the coil, the rayon will break in two in the coil.

No offense to cotton intended or implied. Etc. I just find rayon far easier in almost all ways and it tastes "fine" and by that I mean No Taste Whatsoever. Good luck,

Anna
How did you break the rayon into 2 pieces inside of a coil? Did you pull it too hard? Otherwise, I don't have a clue?:confused:

I had a heck of a time finding a cotton that did not have that 'funny' taste to it. And rayon too actually. My 'fix' is to completely saturate the coil and wicks and pulse the mod(sorta like dry burning) and let the wick give off some vapor. Not much and never let it get hot, but I do that a few times and then finished putting everything back together and fill the tank. It takes that 'yucky' tastes out and I don't have to go thru almost a whole tank vaping with that god awful taste. I know most people do not taste it, but I do. So glad I found away around it. Now I cannot do that on wire that is for TC(or at least have not yet) so that taste is there for me when I first start a new coil/wick. Maybe if I am careful enough I can do without harming the coil. I think I will at least try it.

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I've never had dry hits with the Siren and if I were to, I would immediately diagnose myself as having too much wick.
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I agree but I think you are not trying to vape at 25 watts with 1.0 coil... I never had totally dry hit with my siren but with too tight wicking at 18 watt with high vg juice I observed decreased amount of vapor and slight burnt taste... after checking wick I saw my rayon was brown inside a coil... I think most people over-stuff their coil with cotton and fluff a lot just legs... for a best vape cotton inside a coil should be IMHO also fluffy but without any air pockets (when people roll their wicks they sometimes create them)...

a lot of loud popping sounds indicate air pockets that fill with juice and rapidly expand... very tight wick will have no loud pops but will provide less vapor, muted flavor, burnt taste and when chain vaping... dry hit...

Too little cotton in your coil will cause popping, flooding, gurgling and other crackling sounds....

Fluffy inside (but enough to provide resistance when pulled), fluffy outside without being too compressed by chimney.... and ends of wick just hanging without touching bottom of tank will make excellent vape on Siren2... I have many other excellent RTAs but overall Siren 2 is still my number 1 atty.
 

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I agree but I think you are not trying to vape at 25 watts with 1.0 coil... I never had totally dry hit with my siren but with too tight wicking at 18 watt with high vg juice I observed decreased amount of vapor and slight burnt taste... after checking wick I saw my rayon was brown inside a coil... I think most people over-stuff their coil with cotton and fluff a lot just legs... for a best vape cotton inside a coil should be IMHO also fluffy but without any air pockets (when people roll their wicks they sometimes create them)...

a lot of loud popping sounds indicate air pockets that fill with juice and rapidly expand... very tight wick will have no loud pops but will provide less vapor, muted flavor, burnt taste and when chain vaping... dry hit...

Too little cotton in your coil will cause popping, flooding, gurgling and other crackling sounds....

Fluffy inside (but enough to provide resistance when pulled), fluffy outside without being too compressed by chimney.... and ends of wick just hanging without touching bottom of tank will make excellent vape on Siren2... I have many other excellent RTAs but overall Siren 2 is still my number 1 atty.
I, too have the Siren 2 and have been using it for a while now. I love the convenience of the top fill. To date, it has been one of my most trouble free tanks. My only problem with it is that the juice disappears too quickly. LOL

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Sounds like you are not cutting the cotton with the grain running length wise.
If you are using organic cotton pads, the fibers run in a certain direction.
Thanks, actually that was the case. I was soooo frustrated when I was failing such a simple task. Now I wicked it properly and easily.
 
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