Well its still being given a run for its money by big brother that's what I do know.
Slightly miffed.
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Yea, well look at the stigmatism that " other" stuff has dealt with for 100 years. Only now are people waking up after Colorado proved its not all leading to anarchy and caos and dead bodies littering the street.
We have the same kind of fight ahead of us. Forget big T for a moment, people are scared of change and something new appears claiming to be safe yet unproven, I see past the front and think the real fear is people are so used to everything having a negative no matter how good it turns out to be. They just don't want to accept some people didn't want to quit smoking, they just wanted a safer alternative.
I have a neighbor with the same scare stories
So I asked him, how healthy do you think it is when you go jogging every day on the side of a road packed with traffic spewing toxic fumes? And because your exerting yourself your actually inhaling twice as much.
He doest talk about my vaping anymore, for some reason he jogs in the park now too.
Even with the best intentions, common sense eludes many people
Every person on the planet needs nicotine more then they think
How many people know niacin is short for nicotinic acid?
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Hmmm
something just occurred to me
Many vapors report improvmints in hair and skin.
I wonder if the nicotine through vaping raises the niacin levels?
something just occurred to me
Many vapors report improvmints in hair and skin.
I wonder if the nicotine through vaping raises the niacin levels?
Hmmmm possible. Well yeah I get it but the government is responsible for releasing the scare tactic stories along with the media. I have had people look at me and tell me you know those aren't as safe as you think they are my reply is there is not m7ch safe in the world. I breath better. Lol so I am good.
I'm not sure I fully agree, most of the official statements from govt states they just don't know.
It seems to me its all the groups lobbying for regulations flooding the airwaves with misinformation
The official fda assessment:
E-cigarettes have not been fully studied, so consumers currently don’t know:
the potential risks of e-cigarettes when used as intended,
how much nicotine or other potentially harmful chemicals are being inhaled during use, or
whether there are any benefits associated with using these products.
But they mat be getting the message.
This happened in Dec
House Leaders Rush to Defend E-Cigarettes From Possible FDA Bans
House Leaders Rush to Defend E-Cigarettes From Possible FDA Bans - US News
And honestly forgetting other things, this administration has not been quick to pass out harsh rulings without considerable thought
It seems to me its all the groups lobbying for regulations flooding the airwaves with misinformation
The official fda assessment:
E-cigarettes have not been fully studied, so consumers currently don’t know:
the potential risks of e-cigarettes when used as intended,
how much nicotine or other potentially harmful chemicals are being inhaled during use, or
whether there are any benefits associated with using these products.
But they mat be getting the message.
This happened in Dec
House Leaders Rush to Defend E-Cigarettes From Possible FDA Bans
House Leaders Rush to Defend E-Cigarettes From Possible FDA Bans - US News
And honestly forgetting other things, this administration has not been quick to pass out harsh rulings without considerable thought
However, they know the effects of cigarette smoking, from years of studies.
Yet they have never banned them.
As long as the tax money, keeps flowing to the government, they never will.
Don't you just love the FDA........always looking out for our health....
However, they know the effects of cigarette smoking, from years of studies.
Yet they have never banned them.
As long as the tax money, keeps flowing to the government, they never will.
Don't you just love the FDA........always looking out for our health....
Whats even MORE disturbing is watchin the tob companies use health concerns as reasons ecigs should be banned
As much as i dont like it, i honestly understand tobacco is too ingrained in society to ban it. All that would do is cause mass hysterics and create a black market tney can never tax. Just like what happened with prohibition.
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However, they know the effects of cigarette smoking, from years of studies.
Yet they have never banned them.
As long as the tax money, keeps flowing to the government, they never will.
Don't you just love the FDA........always looking out for our health....
what I dont get is tax revenue is generated buy ecigs every owner every ecig industry employ payes taxes. Smokes are sold a stores that carry other stuff as vape shops spring up I would think eventually the jobs and industry created buy ecigs would eventually out do cigarette revenue.
The problem is that there is so much money for the governments in cigarette sales, for several reasons.
The feds tax them at about $1 a pack.
States tax them at between $0.45 to $6.50/pack.
Then there's the Master Settlement Agreement, where BT pays the states some amount per pack (don't know the actual numbers, it's complicated). 7 billion last year, though.
Not to mention the carry-throughs. If your state has a lottery, you will notice that a LOT of the folks come in to pick up their daily pack also buy lottery tickets at the same time.
Would they make the trip just for the tickets (as opposed to the cigs, which they NEED to have)? Not all of them!
There's just no way the e-cig businesses, if taxed appropriately, would come anywhere close to that revenue stream. And they know it. So their options are either to kill it, tax it outrageously, or spend less money. (Just kidding about the "spend less money" part).
Yep that's normal. I tend to chain vape now even though I've been off the smokes fo 6 months. I think I do it more out of boredom than anything.
A better question is how many knew this before learning it on ECF? Me thinks the crickets would be deafening
Has anyone here compiled a list of the LD50 of all the various B vitamins? Seems it would make a powerful defense against the "Nicotine is a deadly poison" argument if even one is close to nicotine's modern corrected LD50.
A better question is how many knew this before learning it on ECF? Me thinks the crickets would be deafening
Has anyone here compiled a list of the LD50 of all the various B vitamins? Seems it would make a powerful defense against the "Nicotine is a deadly poison" argument if even one is close to nicotine's modern corrected LD50.
If we cloned and genetically altered juice we could make it more healthy
I cant help but thinking if we keep doubling in numbers each year and in the near future Vapers out number smokers with all of the extra stores exct.... that would follow local and federal would lose little in the long run besides all of the obvious benefits
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Now wait a minute! Your trying to confuse me by mixing up stuff I posted last night in a different thread with this... And it's working!
Now wait a minute! Your trying to confuse me by mixing up stuff I posted last night in a different thread with this... And it's working!
Hate on my post will ya
The problem is that we can't keep doubling, at least not for very long.
I think the latest estimates are that last year, perhaps 25% of smokers were actively vaping.
If so, and if the rate doubles every year, at the end of next year, 100% of smokers will be actively vaping.
Despite that being a good thing, it's a disaster for state governments (and a pretty big hit for the federal government).
There's no way that income tax, business tax, normal sales tax, reduction in unemployment, etc. will make that up, even if every other store on the block is selling vaping gear.
Then it looks like we fight or lose because our goberment needs money and is growing everyday and need more!
Well, that's the reality. Even if they didn't need more, they certainly can't handle getting less! I think their main problem with vaping is that it is TOO good, TOO popular, and TOO successful at getting people off the cigarettes. They've already factored in the sin-tax from cigarettes into the budget for the next 20 years, (Not kidding, look at the bonds that states have issued just from the Master Settlement, and how every smoker who quits makes it more likely those bonds will go south!)
Smokers quitting cigarettes (by any means) is a financial disaster for just about every state in the US. Particularly the big ones (like CA, who are so overextended in every area that the government controls, and aren't even going to be able to get water, and have no way out). Desperation causes desperate measures, which is the main reason you see so much opposition.
We can fight, or we can quit (smoking). But either way there are hard times ahead, financially most states are in real trouble, and so far nobody can find a way out.
(Here's a hint, why not tax <other stuff> at the same rate as cigarettes, or even higher, for those states who have made it legal?)
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