Smokeless E-Liquid ?

[deewal]

Is it possible to make an e-liquid that does not create Smoke Vapour.
In other words a Smokeless E-Cig.
I know we like to see smoke because it's like smoking for us but can this Vapour that we Inhale be made so that it is invisible.
We are now getting Pubs banning E-Cigs because it "looks like smoking" and Non Smokers "don't know if the Vapour we Exhale is Dangerous".

So sellers get ready to take "Smoke Anywhere" off you Advertising.

 

[ZambucaLu]

I know that some users are dead set on seeing the vapor. Some have said "why not just use the nicotine inhaler if you don't care about smoke?"

Well, there comes a time to make decisions. I need a nic hit when I am out at a restaurant or club for any extended period of time. So I can either try being discreet with my ecig...or risk not being able to use it at all there.

For me, the choice is pretty simple.

Lu

 

[taz3cat]

If you take small puff and take all the vapor in nothing comes out. try it.

 

[deewal]

That's what i mean Lu. Is it not possible to have a "clear" vapour so we can be even more discreet.
When the E-Cig was invented to be able to SEE smoke would have been a selling point but now it is becoming a negative point and there must be an additive in the Liquid that creates the "smoke". I s it not possible to take out that additive or whatever it is so that the exhaled vapour is invisible?
C'mon you Tech Guy's, you must know ?

 

[TropicalBob]

Janty's Big Dog -- Ludo -- once suggested the value of virtually invisible vapor in a post on this forum. He was crucified! He was blasted mercilessly by posters wanting huge clouds of vapor they could disappear behind. Not good.

If you truly want no vapor, there is indeed Big Pharma's inhaler. Heavy nic hit that will make you cough.

Still, it's too expensive. Go the Alternatives section of this forum, read, and make a choice. I use a Stonewall Java dissolvable tobacco tablet immediately after dinner in a restaurant. Tastes great and goes with the after-meal coffee.

I use snus in groceries, theaters and public places. They're invisible when in use and continuously fill your blood stream with a nicotine level of your choice. No cravings. Not even for an e-cig.

E-smoke the rest of the time!

But, get publicly pushy ... and you'll get pushed. You are a member of an unpopular minority, one of the few groups held in such low esteem that they can be humiliated with impunity. You're still a "smoker" to many people, E or not.

 

[Sun Vaporer]

That's what i mean Lu. Is it not possible to have a "clear" vapour so we can be even more discreet.
When the E-Cig was invented to be able to SEE smoke would have been a selling point but now it is becoming a negative point and there must be an additive in the Liquid that creates the "smoke". I s it not possible to take out that additive or whatever it is so that the exhaled vapour is invisible?
C'mon you Tech Guy's, you must know ?

The PG or the VG are the only suspentions besides oils and oils are not viable for the atomizers. At the same time the PG and the VG are what makes the vapor. There might be something else out there but if you look at all Flavorings, they use PG, VG or or oil based save for Vanilla in alcohol and the alcohol takes over the flavor when you try to vape it--I am sure someone will come up with something, but as for now--only these are being used. Hope that helps--Sun

 

[deewal]

Oh well. You've been there TropicalBob so if anyone would know it would be you.
Now that the Pubs have started to ban them (and they are the people who Would benefit from e-cigs ) then it's just a matter of time before it's All Public places just like Analogues.
So even if we are still allowed to buy them we are gonna have to stay at home or stand outside to Vape.
Change your Publicity blurb sellers. "Smoke anywhere you can smoke a Real Cigarette "

btw TBob, Can't buy snus in Britain. Illegal.

 

[TropicalBob]

Yeh, I know about the EU ban on snus. That's regrettable since snus has a long history of safe use in Sweden.

If pubs and bars get proper choice returned to them, you might again see some form of segregated "smoking". Smoking is returning to American casinos, for instance, because of lost business. The UK businesses are suffering, too. Let each owner decide on a smoking-no smoking policy, and then make sure two opposing types of people don't share the same space.

But it might be other things that doom e-smoking, from poison liquid to fraudulent claims by sellers. No matter what we do, there seems to remain opposition that can't be overcome.

 

[TribbleTrouble]

I saw a review on e-cigreview.com (Dustin's site), and he did a review of the disposable Ruyan Jazz. Apparently, the pH balance of the liquid is such that when you inhale it, it absorbs so quickly that hardly any vapor comes back out. That might be your answer. The link is listed below:

Ruyan Jazz

Just make sure you try and recycle that bad boy instead of putting it in the trash.

 

[Cuando]

I, for one,would be all for a fully vaporizable nicotine liquid. At this point I care less about semantics and more about curbing my insatiable nicotine habit.

 

[katink]

All the real Ruyan liquid when inhaled and kept in for a second gives virtualy no vapor at all when exhaled. (Goes for the real Ruyan - so not Ry1 to 4) What you can do, as there isn't ruyan liquid in bottles for sale, is buy ruyan cigar- or even better pipe-cartridges from Wayne at Ruyandirect.com Best E-smoking Shop and squeeze them out in a syringe - this will get you your bottle of ruyan-liquid that you can then use to fill any cartridge you are using. It does seem to work even better when also using a ruyan-device (cheap one would be the bling, also at Wayne) - but even just using the liquid will get you very close to vaporless provided you inhale first (you can get vapor enough with the ruyanliquid too, if you don't inhale... so this part is needed to let the vapor disappear).
Hope this helps you to find what you are looking for

 

[smokindeuce]

btw TBob, Can't buy snus in Britain. Illegal.

Just to point out that although snus is illegal to sell in the UK and most of the rest of Europe, you can still order direct from buysnus.com or the northerner websites based in Sweden. I have had a number of orders in the past, all of which arrived in around 5 days.

Snuff is legal to sell or buy in the UK.

Like others have said, Ruyan seem to produce ecigs that give very little vapour on the exhale.... I'm sure more will follow....

 

[TribbleTrouble]

Snus reminds me of the Skoal Bandits (Chewing Tobacco in a pouch). My Dad used those along with the Nicorette gum when he quit Pipe tobacco smoking.

 

[Papa Lazarou]

To repeat the above Ruyans own cartridges (the Bling is what I have used) produce visible vapour if you puff them but do not inhale. If you do inhale, virtually nothing comes out. I don't know if their Vegas or whatever would be the same (but the Jazz in the video above is).

 

[schu]

Couldn't you suspend the nicotine in distilled water or ethyl alcohol? I remember reading about a bottled water drink that had nicotine in it. If the ejuice were water based the exhale would be water vapor which would not be visible at room temperature. I don't know if the current atomizers would vaporize water. After all isn't the vapor just aesthetics? It's the nicotine and flavor that are the important things. And you wouldn't have to worry about the pg or vg side affects or metabolites. Although if there was no vapor how would you know when you were out of juice?

 

[lordmage]

one proplem with water the temp required to vaporize it is higher then the given PG/VG also would short out any electronic device that was not totally sealed from the liquid so what you asking is to make a boiling pan the size of your smoke which would get to hot to hold i'll stick with the inale while vapping method then hold 5 secs requires a hard draw and the 5 sec wait but not to near nothing comes out also i would help if e-smokers explained ahead of time to owners what is was and asked permission