Aditas:
Your passionate claims aside, you are not being rational at all.
"Safer than X" does not in any way, philosophically nor scientifically equal safe. The argument is at worst misinformed and at best disingenuous.
You say nicotine is not a new drug. This is true. The combinations that make up eCigs, atomizers, the whole kit, IS new and it IS untested.
The same claims people are making right now were made for *cigarettes* people. CIGARETTES. You may not be old enough to remember this, so 'google' it.
I vape. I love it. But I in NO WAY have deluded myself into thinking that I *know* that everything in an atomizer has been tested with any and all additives in eJuice + plastic filler + heated plastic, and something potentially toxic may or may not be forming, etc and being sucked into my lungs.
You guys should be listening to Sun...on more than one level. Before Xmas, this is all going to be over, thanks to the fact that NJOY and SE are in the market for an all or nothing Net Sum; there is no compromise or halfway for them...they haven't argued for it. They have pretty much decided the market will work the way they want it, or there will not BE one.
Sun has dropped hints, murmured, sighed, been infinitely patient in trying to explain the way the facts and the law work, TropBob, etc...and folks are not *getting it*.
Trading in this stuff will be a *serious Federal offense* and I think it is beyond high time everyone comes to terms with this reality...and some other basic truths:
Extraordinary claims require proof at a *bare minimum*...and to claim empirically that what we've chosen to do, without proof, is "safe" is not only irresponsible, but borders on fanatical.
(pauses for a puff)
The *only* way this will change is via an Act of Congress. A Law. A law granted as an exception in the face of history, tradition, science, fair trade and all of that "rubbish".
You can scream from the rooftops if you wish about all of the conspiracy (real or otherwise), injustice, how FDA has "got it wrong" or the Government sucks as much as you please but none of it will have an effect on what is to come probably much sooner than I think many of you imagine...or dare to.
There will be no "grace period"...no deference, no exception. In one day, in one ruling, it will be done. The FDA's lawful stance (this isn't a "new law" by any stretch, or an 'exception' in any way) will be validated.
And it does none of us any good, outside of what is effectively a mental circle jerk, to argue this philosophically even one more day.
eCigs are going to be treated JUST the way people here have been clamoring for: fairly.
The problem is an utter lack of understanding of what that means in the eyes of the law...and science. Sorry, but what many of you have wanted was the OPPOSITE of this...you wanted an exception and didn't ask for it. The largest players in the industry didn't ask for it...and as such, we aren't getting it and that is THAT.
I think this ad, and this behavior by SE, speaks volumes.
By my estimates, based on legal precedent, back of the napkin statistical analysis, general knowledge of US History and 2d20 (heheheh) I can say with almost a sense of smugness that there is a less than 1% chance anyone here will be able to legally buy or sell any of this 120 days from now...and if you don't believe it, see the post that started this thread.
They know more than you do. They need to get rid of as much stock as fast as they can.
With the blatant nature of the ad in light of what they have been in court for for months I posit that 120 days is *generous* on my part.
Feel free to continue philosophical debate if you wish, but as I feel this is a sincere group of people, *I* felt as a person with my own set of values and beliefs that it would be wrong, if not outright cruel and selfish, for SOMEONE that was at least a little, for want of a better word, "clueful" to not let people know without dancing around the point just how inevitable...and likely *soon* the inevitable will be occurring.
-K
