SPOT ON. Murder is illegal but we still have it happen. You cannot stop crimes just discourage them from happening in the first place.
Banning vaping does not stop illegal activities it only creates yet another illegal activity.
Smoking is allowed...but vaping isn't [college campus]
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SPOT ON. Murder is illegal but we still have it happen. You cannot stop crimes just discourage them from happening in the first place.
Banning vaping does not stop illegal activities it only creates yet another illegal activity.
I mentioned the other two for entertainment and to help describe the lengths that I went to in order to try and vape without a hassle.
In the car, it was windows closed lights off in an empty parking lot. The fact that someone got called is surprising.
In the dorm room, I was essentially vaping on an ego style device blowing vapor down at my feet. After a couple puffs for it to go off was also surprising.
After reading some replies I'm going to follow up with it and see if anything can be done, but I was interested in seeing what people thought.
Not going to go into Specifics. But I will say that they were Acting in a Very "Unusual" Manor.
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I'm not Sure why the Question that I asked needs to be Reformulated?
I asked what type of Policy you would Enact. You don't seem to want to Answer it. That's Cool.
Because it is a Difficult Question to Answer.
Unless...We get some kind of psychic who could see the future and write it down on little colored balls...Oh wait thats Minority Report never mind.
Me, Caramel and Cromwell all answered (and said pretty much the exact same thing at that). Maybe you need to go back and read a little closer because you got answers 4-5 times. If you keep asking the same people the same question your going to keep getting the same answer.
Discouragement: clearly and repeatedly bring to the attention of students that those engaging in illegal activities will be expelled and most likely prosecuted under law;
Enforcement: go after those with "very unusual manners" if any
And let the others mind their business.
When I went to college in Fort Lauderdale, it was a dry and smoke-free dorms. You could smoke outside, but not inside...yet many smoked indoors, both tobacco products and other things. Many people knew it, and many people were able to disguise their other products inside tobacco products. I was once smoking a black & mild outside of the laundry room and some guy came up to me and asked if it was something else and I was a bit shocked. I had also never seen anyone roll their own cigarettes and I saw a guy do it at the bench outside of the college building and I freaked out until I realized it was tobacco, but you wouldn't know it's a cigarette by the way it looked.
So, IMO banning e-cigs is pointless, because like putting alcohol in their bottles, who knows what they could be mixing with their tobacco, or if it even is tobacco.
So, IMO banning e-cigs is pointless, because like putting alcohol in their bottles, who knows what they could be mixing with their tobacco, or if it even is tobacco.
Sounds Good. It just didn't work on the Campus I taught at. Or the Campuses in my Area.
Like I said earlier, what I saw was a Good Example of a Few Individuals screwing things up for the Vast Majority.
And I wish that these Individuals would have Done what I did when I was in College (I Wasn't exactly a Straight Arrow). And that is to just partake in these Recreational Substances OFF Campus.
I disagree. What you saw is a good example of bad policy.
A good policy addresses just the "Few Individuals" without hampering / harming the others.
A good policy addresses just the "Few Individuals" without hampering / harming the others.
And push the students to smoke legal tobacco instead of far less harmful vapor? Off Campus is kinda difficult when you live on campus. I suppose the colleges do need to support the incomes of their future doctors...
I'm taking about Smoking "The Thing we Can Talk About Here" Off Campus Robert.
I had a professor come up to me and tell me how vapeing is worst then smoking, i told her to show me the proof, still too this day i vape next to the front doors and ask her if she found anything today, to this date she has no good response.
Don't do this. Way worse than getting caught vaping. It's a felony to tamper with life safety equip. in most states or at least illegal.
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I go to a community college in california and everyone does it around campus whether its a smoking area or not. My friends used to be able to vape in class when their professors OK'd it. Sounds like a dream.
Have to agree with Caramel: a policy that punishes everyone for the actions of a few is a bad policy
In addition to being bad by itself, it also creates a certain image to the educational system.
Students should see professors as Respected Mentors that help them with learning. When they bring in unjust / bad / unjustifiable policies, they create an image of Abusive Bozos that need to be avoided / circumvented.
And of course students talk to their parents and parents get this particular image of the Educational System. Not because of a prof that was late in class or had a mismatched sock. But because of exactly these institutional policies.
Students should see professors as Respected Mentors that help them with learning. When they bring in unjust / bad / unjustifiable policies, they create an image of Abusive Bozos that need to be avoided / circumvented.
And of course students talk to their parents and parents get this particular image of the Educational System. Not because of a prof that was late in class or had a mismatched sock. But because of exactly these institutional policies.
Sigh... Ok you are taking one portion of one incident and breaking this down into pieces so you can argue points instead of the policy... you have a good future in politics, then again we all do. (no that was not meant as a personal attack, I apologize if it is taken that way)
Campus Police are trained to observe different activities of individuals. Not only those that are actively ingesting a particular illegal material, but those that are even carrying said product or even those that are looking to purchase said product act differently than those that are "just going about their business". I for one have taken classes (Criminal Justice) in spotting suspicious activities and it is very easy on about 80% of the time.
As a very easy example if you are a parent and you walk past your child you can usually tell that they are/have been/about to do something wrong. They just don't act right. This in itself is not just cause to arrest or detain said individual but it does allow them to question that person.
In the college that I am aware of there were multiple individuals sent to the hospital due to injuries as well as adverse reactions to substances that were added to the juice. There were even more instances where the Campus Police questioned the individuals and they admitted to the substance.
Your campus may be different, but if it was one campus it would be different, but this is gaining wind due to more issues like those above.
Me personally, I would love to be able to vape anywhere at any time, and push to do so. But I can understand why College campuses decide to do this. As one professor said "Not all cars driving on the sidewalk kill people, it only takes one to make it bad for everyone else"
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