Smokingeverywhere

[paladinx]

Yvilla,

I said I cannot find the site I was at before that had a direct link to smokingeverywhere. There are a few out there, I just dont remember where it was. I figured most people have already seen their ads or know what I was referring to already.

The site i posted before, I said was another one I found, with the exact same AD. The only difference is that one links me to some weird subsite, Which my common sense is telling me is linked to smokingeverywhere since it was the same popup ad, and the site it links you to looks to be some kind of cheaply made subsite.

 

[ladysolitary85]

Ladysolitary, that is the link to the official SE site, that I posted on page one of this thread - precisely to show that they do NOT make either of those two claims ascribed to them.

Note that now paladinx is saying he "believes" the ad he was talking about was linked to the SE site, but that "this time" it is linked to "a different webpage".

Hmm, rather proves my original point!

Sorry Yvilla,

Didn't mean to repost the link.

 

[ladysolitary85]

Well, technically you can use it anywhere (except under water). The question is should you?

I can only imagine someone actually suing SE just because it didn't say in the manual "do not attempt using device under water" only because people are suing for just about anything these days!

 

[scottjamez]

What paladinx is talking about are the banner ads Smoking Everywhere are placing on other web sites. I've seen several on sites I've visited, and they're just as he says.

Remember, Smoking Everywhere (and most online retailers for that matter) have what they call affiliate programs. This is a program that you can sign up for, place SE ads anywhere on the internet (within reason) that you create or they create for you, and use your own link to get the visitor to the SE site. This is how most places get around rules.

SJ

 

[optsmk]

Although I think some of the business practices of the big e-cig retailers like SE may have poor customer service, I don't think I have seen those ads that state they are 100% healthy. Then may have made the statement to "Quit smoking today" and that would not be a lie. There are many of us that have quit smoking because of e-cigs. We have not quit using nicotine, but we have quit smoking.

Also SE is one of, if not the only large e-cig comapany that is fighting to keep e-cigs legal in this country. If you take a look at this link you can see where there lawsuit stands roght now. Electronic Cigarettes Also, while some e-cig comapanies may have some deceptive advertising, so does the FDA. Just take a look at the video in the link and you will see Dr Janet Woodcock (ahuh ahuh huh, I said c o c k), giving a somewhat deceptive talk about the dangers of e-cigs herself. She even mentions the fact that they are tageting our children and readily available to them. This is totally not true. The SE kiosk that I went to sepcifically states that they do not sell to minors. It is also on thier box and also comes with a warning stating that the claims they make have not been approved by the FDA a surgeons general warning and to keep the product out of reach of children. (I am attacing a pic of the bottom of my SE box). In the report they also state that trace levels of nitrosimines were detected, but they fail to state that this was only found in several samples and not all samples, leading the listener to belive that they were found in all samples.

So, I suppose you could say that the deception id comming from both sides. I guess the FDA wants everyone to think that they are just as bad as analogs in the event that they ban them. They want us all to be in fear of the big bad DANGEROUS e-cig. And the e-cig companies want us to buy them, so they lead us to belive they are 100% safe.

I don't know if they are 100% safe, but from what I have read about the contents of e-juice, they are much safer than smoking an analog. At this point we will just have to wait and see what the FDA finally says. At least with SE continuing thier lawsuit, we will still be able to buy and use these devices until further notice.

 

[Slickstick]

There are hordes of unscrupulous marketers out here on the internet, many of whom care not a whit about the kinds of claims they are making, only about making money.

so true.....

 

[paladinx]

What are the chances that the FDA might say, "hey! these devices are pretty cool.. I think we could make a lot of money from them", and then try to regulate them. Or do you think it would be in their interest to try and track down every single e-cig shipment and go on an e-cig witch hunt.

I mean I watched the video that was posted below. I think most of what the FDA was saying in that video is not too bad. Sure they added some of their 2cent Bologna about teens. Which is a rubbish. Teens will find a way to do anything if they want to, including smoking cigarettes. They have not stopped teen smoking at all anyway. But most of the video they are saying the effects of e-cigs and quality of the liquid, whats in their etc is unknown. I mean i cant really disagree. This technology is new, we are getting liquids made in china with poor quality and control. Yeah, there are a lot of unknowns. So of course they will say that.

What I do not like about other reports is that the FDA might find .000001 percent of 1 carcinogen, and then reword it as "We found arsnic in e-cigarettes, A terrible poisen" Without saying how much, or how dangerous the level really is. Same goes with cigarettes. When they say 4,00000 chemicals. most of which are in such small percentages that it is completely harmless. They spin statistics to present a picture THEY WANT. that is the danger.

 

[aine]

I hear this company advertising on Sirius XM 100 & 101. I get angry every time. No one believes their claims and they sound like snake oil salesmen.

they say, "we can't say they'll help you quit smoking, but (hundreds) quit everyday." or something to that effect.
A little while ago they also offered a "free" starter pack. I knew it was a scam but I called anyway (just in case i was wrong) and there was nothing free about it. The operator only wanted my credit card number and didn't know anything about the "free" promotion.

Bottom line --> don't trust this company any further than you can throw them.

I've heard they're ad, it's for the "smoke assassin". I also looked into that one prior to actually purchasing a PV. The Smoke Assassin has no nic in their carts. If you read their terms and conditions they're one of the ones that ship you a "free trial" and if you keep it they charge you $99 at the end of the trial period. We all know how these work, definite scam, good luck getting your $ back. I've never heard of anyone NOT getting charged, heard of quite a few who have to fight tooth and nail to get charges reversed. Pain in the ....! Buyer beware with all these devices, you really have to do your homework. That's were sites like the ECF become invaluable. Thank god I found this place.

 

[optsmk]

What are the chances that the FDA might say, "hey! these devices are pretty cool.. I think we could make a lot of money from them", and then try to regulate them. Or do you think it would be in their interest to try and track down every single e-cig shipment and go on an e-cig witch hunt.

I mean I watched the video that was posted below. I think most of what the FDA was saying in that video is not too bad. Sure they added some of their 2cent Bologna about teens. Which is a rubbish. Teens will find a way to do anything if they want to, including smoking cigarettes. They have not stopped teen smoking at all anyway. But most of the video they are saying the effects of e-cigs and quality of the liquid, whats in their etc is unknown. I mean i cant really disagree. This technology is new, we are getting liquids made in china with poor quality and control. Yeah, there are a lot of unknowns. So of course they will say that.

What I do not like about other reports is that the FDA might find .000001 percent of 1 carcinogen, and then reword it as "We found arsnic in e-cigarettes, A terrible poisen" Without saying how much, or how dangerous the level really is. Same goes with cigarettes. When they say 4,00000 chemicals. most of which are in such small percentages that it is completely harmless. They spin statistics to present a picture THEY WANT. that is the danger.

Fear tactics are what the FDA lives on. With the fear factor, they know that they are in control of the situation. So, they will attmept to scare everyone into thinking that these devices are unknown and can have the ability to seriously harm the general public. IF they came out and said that e-cigs are still a drug/nicotine delivery device that looks like it may be safer than traditional analogs. they know everyone would go out and buy one. They would lose control of the ability to easily ban e-cigs in the publics eye, and they are not willing to take that chance. You can be sure that with every new negative discovery about e-cigs, they will surely let that information out to the press, but every positive result they find, it will be burried deep in the fact finding publications.

 

[xpinchx]

That's pretty odd considering the video posted on their front page basically says that nicotine is harmful and addictive, and they explicitly say that it's not a smoke cessation device. They probably contracted out their advertising and don't have any control over it.

 

[paladinx]

lol the same site with the 100 percent healthy ad links, That same company or sub company is also linked here on this forum with ads, When u go to the main page before u log in.

 

[SheerLuckHolmes]

A long time ago I worked at a motorcycle/bass boat dealership. The top salesman was a real work of art. The things that would come out of this mouth would make your head swim. He was a very, very simple man. How simple? Once the lot guy was cleaning up the boats and he pulled off the cover and discovered a mother cat and new born kittens. Everyone was excited to see them. This top salesman look over the side at the kittens and says, "Wow... that cat just crawled up here in the boat and laid her eggs." Everyone just looked at him and shook their heads, he was completely serious.

But had tons of enthusiasm. He was would say the most outrageous things and buyers would just slide along with him because he had so much enthuiasm. Once a buyer came in and asked this saleman if our shop would match another shop's 0 percent interest. Our top salesman said, "what are you talking about, our motorcycles are only 6% interest ~ thats the same as 0%. Now what bike are you looking at?" And he said it with such enthusiam and charm that the customer went right along with him and ended up buying a bike.

The old saw that says buyer beware applies to all things. Some folks only hear what they want to hear, no matter what you say. And most of the time the government is counting on it.