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The mah rating is less important than the C rating, or maximum discharge rate of a battery.
A 450mah with a 1C rating will be (450 mah/1000 X 1C = 0.45A max SAFE discharge) over this is overstressing the battery.
A 450mah with a 10C rating (450 mah/1000 X 10C = 4.5A max SAFE discharge) able to handle the amperage a LR would be looking to draw, much safer.
A 3.7v battery using a 1.5 ohm carto is looking to draw 2.46667 amps, if the battery cannot handle the discharge rate it will be overstressed.
Ohm's Law Calculators
Well, I've heard all of the math and electronics around why I cannot use my 150mah battery on these dualies, and yet for 3 weeks now, no problems on 2 batteries dedicated to them. Remember every electronics part has a +- tolerance. I don't know the tolerances here, but what I do know is it's working and I'm pleased with it.
So if a switch goes bad , or battery life is decreased, so be it. The batteries aren't getting warm or showing issues with recharge so far. Yes their usable time between recharges is lessened greatly. I expected that.
Likewise I hear ya all, but lets think for a second.
People are buying standard 510 batteries and using 3ohm cartos, and many are using 2.5 ohm and even 2 ohm as well. No one has worried about that. Now I push it another 4/10ths of an ohm down and everyone is concerned and telling me I NEED 450mah to be able to use dualies? Why all of the sudden a push from 150mah to 450mah, just for 4/10ths of an ohm, or even 1 ohm difference?
With batteries at $9.95 each, I can go through a fistfull of batteries before buying a $60-80.oo, 450mah unit. Probably a solid uyears worth and be using fresh batteries every few months, as compared to 1 , 450 mah battery that will degrade as well over a years time. I'll take my chances, and also kick it up to a 250 or 350mah , still in a cig sized unit if battery life is shortened, bur I have no desire to go to a cigar sized unit. I don't like the mass weight or the obtrusive appearance in public.
Yes , Im coming after it from a differing mindset and an experimental standpoint. It comes down to a matter of choice. I don't like the size/look of the bigger units, which is a personal prefrence. I get those who do like em, and their loyalty to brand. Just not for me.
I'll take my chances, which pose no physical threat...just battery life.
Pig
So if a switch goes bad , or battery life is decreased, so be it. The batteries aren't getting warm or showing issues with recharge so far. Yes their usable time between recharges is lessened greatly. I expected that.
Likewise I hear ya all, but lets think for a second.
People are buying standard 510 batteries and using 3ohm cartos, and many are using 2.5 ohm and even 2 ohm as well. No one has worried about that. Now I push it another 4/10ths of an ohm down and everyone is concerned and telling me I NEED 450mah to be able to use dualies? Why all of the sudden a push from 150mah to 450mah, just for 4/10ths of an ohm, or even 1 ohm difference?
With batteries at $9.95 each, I can go through a fistfull of batteries before buying a $60-80.oo, 450mah unit. Probably a solid uyears worth and be using fresh batteries every few months, as compared to 1 , 450 mah battery that will degrade as well over a years time. I'll take my chances, and also kick it up to a 250 or 350mah , still in a cig sized unit if battery life is shortened, bur I have no desire to go to a cigar sized unit. I don't like the mass weight or the obtrusive appearance in public.
Yes , Im coming after it from a differing mindset and an experimental standpoint. It comes down to a matter of choice. I don't like the size/look of the bigger units, which is a personal prefrence. I get those who do like em, and their loyalty to brand. Just not for me.
I'll take my chances, which pose no physical threat...just battery life.
Pig
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OK,i got my 510 duals today and they are beasts,um using a 1100 mah riva.
throat hit= is great - sometimes to much
vapor = is great
flavor = is over bearing sometimes and i think its because the top coil is to close to the top witch gives u too much flavor to soon.u will notice this more with a freshly filled carto but once it tapers down its ok.
draw = is different from carto to carto.
burn = no burn...so far
over all its a good carto and vapes better imo with all vg juices.
throat hit= is great - sometimes to much
vapor = is great
flavor = is over bearing sometimes and i think its because the top coil is to close to the top witch gives u too much flavor to soon.u will notice this more with a freshly filled carto but once it tapers down its ok.
draw = is different from carto to carto.
burn = no burn...so far
over all its a good carto and vapes better imo with all vg juices.
I gave up on pure VG due to it being so thick and tightening up the draw too much. Would wick fine, but draw got tighter and tighter the more VG I added to the mix. 60/40 PG/VG is about the max I'm using now and still have a draw I like.
I've been using 100% VG since I started using these (ECOpure Rich). I use 1 dual Carto a week. I've never had an issue.
Only real issue I've had so far is one that really underperformed. I'm guessing one of the coils wasn't working? Not sure, I tossed it and the next one was fine.
Unless I end up getting more of the copper colored wire ones, I'll be using these for a long time. -- I've had three copper wire ones in two boxes, and they were junk. But the green wire ones are superior. In fact, they prompted me to get a fresh set of 3.0v batteries and return to 6.0v vaping. A 1 second draw at 6.0v is = or > a 3 second draw at 3.7. And a 1 second draw from these at 6.0v produces surprisingly good flavor too. -- I really like how versatile they are in that respect. They work great at 3.0v. They're excellent at 3.7. And they're even better at 6.0v. Being able to use them with any battery set up I have without worrying about burning is very nice.
Running past 120 drops fill over the initial 75 drops, and still as good as day 1.
It's a copper wired one (based on the other 2 I dissected in the pack of 10, I bought at the same time).
Finally I am getting a handle on battery time with a standard 510 battery(150mah), before a recharge is needed.. I get an equivalent of 15 cigarettes in vape(inhales).
So it's not the best, but not bad either. Considering I came from a 1 1/2 pack a day habit, and I use 2 batteries a day on average, I'm good with that.
Might be better if I can locate a 250mah battery in 510. I just cannot get them to fire off on a 808 battery(w/adapter), which I was hoping for.
Pork
It's a copper wired one (based on the other 2 I dissected in the pack of 10, I bought at the same time).
Finally I am getting a handle on battery time with a standard 510 battery(150mah), before a recharge is needed.. I get an equivalent of 15 cigarettes in vape(inhales).
So it's not the best, but not bad either. Considering I came from a 1 1/2 pack a day habit, and I use 2 batteries a day on average, I'm good with that.
Might be better if I can locate a 250mah battery in 510. I just cannot get them to fire off on a 808 battery(w/adapter), which I was hoping for.
Pork
I learned a couple of hours ago that the copper wire ones are just upside down. If you look at the bottom of the wire on a green or black wire one, it is copper colored. If you look at the bottom of the wire on a copper colored one, it is green or black (or whatever color wire they are using). I've been told that upside down or not shouldn't matter. So, the copper colored ones (as viewed from the top without cutting apart) should not be inferior to any that show a black or green wire at the top.
The three bad ones I've had so far are all copper colored at the top so I sort of assumed there was some difference. It must just be a bad coil in some of them and the copper at the top is coincidental.
The three bad ones I've had so far are all copper colored at the top so I sort of assumed there was some difference. It must just be a bad coil in some of them and the copper at the top is coincidental.
Or the worker who put them together needs more training. That's what I'm guessing.
In any case, out of 7 only three have worked like they should. These cartos are now costing me over $4 a piece. Really not happy with the quality control at SmokTech. The cone on the ePower unit (made by the same company) I bought has an opening that's too narrow to allow proper air flow, at least with the Smoktech cartos (both dual coil and 2 ohm).
I got mine yesterday, I initially tried it at 3.7 on a roughstack and while the throat hit was nice, I was getting hardly any vapor, I bumped it up to 6 volts with the roughstack ext tube and now the th is insane but still very little vapor especially for 6 volts. I am only using 30%vg but vapor is much more in standard atties/cartos. So what does everyone think? Is this a defective one or is that just a sacrifice for the good flavor and th?
Take the cap off and look inside. The wire peeking up through the top should be blue/green. If it is copper/black/other, you likely have one that won't perform up to snuff.
When you have one that works, you'll know it. It'll be very nice on all volt ranges, with the amount of vapor and heat increasing smoothly as the voltage ramps up.
As a note to the above: the state of these cartos is very bad right now. From any given vendor you might get a mixed bag of good/bad cartos, this has been noticeably worse than the initial launch of any carto I've seen to date, including the horrible mess of the CE2's when they came out last year.
I'm hoping once they get their manufacturing down, things will improve. But right now, i'm getting less than 40% good per order, which is not good by any means..
I'm hoping once they get their manufacturing down, things will improve. But right now, i'm getting less than 40% good per order, which is not good by any means..
Yeah, I'm done with these. Going back to the Bloog type cartos. I'm tired of bad cartos and wasting money on filling them.
All of mine are using clear coated copper wire inside. Not a problem with any of them. 2 weeks ago I gave away about 50 of them at a vapor party me and the wifey threw. Everyone has been extatic over these still. 0 defects, 0 problems, 0 burn taste complaints.
I'm pretty sure these are all made by smoktech, but maybe there is another vendor out there producing them as well. Mine are all smoktech, and all have clear coated copper wire if thats helpful to anyone.
I'm pretty sure these are all made by smoktech, but maybe there is another vendor out there producing them as well. Mine are all smoktech, and all have clear coated copper wire if thats helpful to anyone.
Yes. it is defective. I've had three bad ones so far, and two acted just like that. -- And again, the color of the wire on top has nothing to do with anything. According to Hoog from madvapes, the ones with the copper showing on top are just that's the way the wire was installed. it isn't a different wire.
Wow, I've been using these for about 3 weeks now and I've had only 1 bad one that I THOUGHT was wrong and tossed. That is out of a total of 4 packs between my husband and I.
Hope everyone that is having bad experiences with these actually knows how to fill a cartomizer.
I condom fill from the bottom first, then drip fill the top till it is fully saturated.
I condom fill from the bottom first, then drip fill the top till it is fully saturated.
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