Smoktech groove recall

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I follow what you are saying......how can the vendor and smok be sure the defective units get destroyed if they are not returned to the vendor? Not all peeps are as honest as we are......lol.....

You've already asked me this on another forum - I posted this is in a few places because I think the safety issue warrants people seeing it. I'm more interested in people's safety. If they don't dispose of them they take a safety risk.

They should never have been put into this unsafe position in the first place.
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POSTAL AND DELIVERY STAFF SHOULD NOT BE PLACED AT RISK OF PHYSICAL HARM BECAUSE SOME-ONE THINKS A FEW PEOPLE MIGHT NOT BE HONEST ABOUT A SERIOUSLY DEFECTIVE ITEM

I'd say take the battery to a recyclying centre, or if there isn't one then these steps, as per Smoktech's advice to distributors:
If there isn’t any recycling center please try to discharge the groove battery until it wont work
You can also Soak them into turated brine concentrated saltwater or seawater for over 1 hour
Label them by “Failed” “out of use”
 
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From another vendor's thread....

Update from emails we are getting: There is a very real concern about putting the stainless or metal Grooves back into the mail. I mentioned to wrap it adequately in bubble wrap and place in the original packaging so as to protect it from heavy jostling in the mail system. You don't necessarily have to have the original box - just soemthing rigid would be good to give it that extra safe packaging measure. If this is wrapped well in bubble wrap it should be fine.

Some are suggesting to disable and remove the battery but this could actually cause more problems if someone isn't careful and know what they are doing.

This is a recall. This isn't like the Raven's where we were glad to refund everyone and let you keep the unit...but with this we have to be sure the recall is executed to make sure it is out of the hands of vapers where it has on one occassion we know of been demonstrated to be a potential saftey hazard.

We have had the Grooves apart and it utilizes a cell phone battery and we think what was reported was very unusual, its not something you usually see with a cell phone type of battery. There have been no other reports in all of the ones we have sold and used and not sure if any other vendor has either. But we want to err on the side of caution though and follow the recall to the full extent of even asking for the plastic- bodied Grooves back (those really shouldn't have the problem but since SMOKtech did not distinguish in thernotice, we won't either just to be safe).

and from the same thread...

Guys and Gals, as a long time Electronic tech wrapping these securely in bubble wrap and using a box like dannoman suggested to immobilize them should suffice on getting them safely to me for disposal. Like dannoman said we have to have these back to complete the recall and remove them from service.
 

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POSTAL AND DELIVERY STAFF SHOULD NOT BE PLACED AT RISK OF PHYSICAL HARM BECAUSE SOME-ONE THINKS A FEW PEOPLE MIGHT NOT BE HONEST ABOUT A SERIOUSLY DEFECTIVE ITEM

You take my comment out of contest my friend....it was just a general comment that not all people are honest ( heck, here in the US we have lots of jails and prisons full of folks) ....and you say (emphasize) it is because of this statement ( that a few people might not be honest) the unit must be sent back... the units are being recalled so they will not remain in the general population and possibly be used (not because a few people might not be honest)....he-he...

Batteries can fail for many reasons....and can fail when not even in a product or device....so do we ban shipping batteries all together?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rGSRRitZqw&feature=player_embedded
 
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From another vendor's thread....

Update from emails we are getting: There is a very real concern about putting the stainless or metal Grooves back into the mail. I mentioned to wrap it adequately in bubble wrap and place in the original packaging so as to protect it from heavy jostling in the mail system. You don't necessarily have to have the original box - just soemthing rigid would be good to give it that extra safe packaging measure. If this is wrapped well in bubble wrap it should be fine.

Its Mad Vapes. Personally I'm not taking the risk. It didn't take much of a jolt to cause the thermal vent - the mod just dropped off a guys coffee table onto the carpet - and that was enough. ETA: and it was a brand new groove.



and from the same thread...

Guys and Gals, as a long time Electronic tech wrapping these securely in bubble wrap and using a box like dannoman suggested to immobilize them should suffice on getting them safely to me for disposal. Like dannoman said we have to have these back to complete the recall and remove them from service.

Why do they "have to get them back"? Because Smoktech won't give them a credit otherwise?
 
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You take my comment out of contest my friend....it was just a general comment that all people are not honest ( heck, here in the US we have lots of jails and prisons full of folks)
No it wasn't. You quite clearly implied that people need to send these seriously risky mods through the mail to prove their honesty. Your post:
how can the vendor and Smok be sure the defective units get destroyed if they are not returned to the vendor? Not all peeps are as honest as we are......lol.....

Pretty obvious what you are implying there.

....and you say (emphasize) it is because of this statement ( that a few people might not be honest) the unit must be sent back... the units are being recalled so they will not remain in the general population and possibly be used (not because a few people might not be honest)....he-he...

No, I wasn't saying anything about people being honest - you brought that into it. You're just looking for an argument here. As if its an issue about vapers honesty. Its about safety. You seem very interested in making people send these units through the mail even though that is a risk.

Here's what a vented Groove looks like:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/apv-discussion/427656-please-read.html

It fell 3 feet from a dresser onto carpet.
 
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Its Mad Vapes. Personally I'm not taking the risk. It didn't take much of a jolt to cause the thermal vent - the mod just dropped off a guys coffee table onto the carpet - and that was enough.



and from the same thread...



Why do they "have to get them back"? Because Smoktech won't give them a credit otherwise?

I'm sure there is a liability issue involved so they are recalling a defective product. Just telling customers not to use and to destroy the Groove probably wouldn't resolve the liability IMO...
 

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I'm sure there is a liability issue involved so they are recalling a defective product. Just telling customers not to use and to destroy the Groove probably wouldn't resolve the liability IMO...

They'll have a real liability issue if one goes thermal in a plane. Advising customers to not use them and how to dispose of them and refunding their money doesn't make them liable. The problem with the Groove, especially the metal ones, is they can be set off too darn easily.
 

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No it wasn't. You quite clearly implied that people need to send these seriously risky through the mail to prove their honesty. Your ost:


Pretty obvious what you are implying there.



No, I wasn't saying anything about people being honest - you brought that into it. You're just looking for an argument here. As if its an issue about vapers honesty. Its about safety. You seem very interested in making people send these units through the mail even though that is a risk.

Here's what a vented Groove looks like:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/apv-discussion/427656-please-read.html

It fell 3 feet from a dresser onto carpet.

I saw that video days ago.....there are alot of unanswered questions (in my mind)......we don't know the full details of the unit that failed....could it be that the unit was dropped on concrete 20 times before it failed? Fact remains it is being recalled... and if one doesn't want to mail it back then that is their choice.....millions of batteries are shipped daily and even inside devices....can they possibly fail during shipment? Possibly can...

Oh well my friend I think we have beat this horse to death......have a great day.....
 

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I must send back my Groove to a US vendor. As I live in the Canary Islands, it will go by plane. I really think it's stupid I can't just give it to my recycling point (about 2 km from my home) and instead I have to post it. Who will be responsable if there's any issue at 10.000 feet altitude....?

My vendor advised me he thinks he can just do a refund based on already having my order no. Maybe you could email your vendor and ask them to contact Smoktech about the safety issues involved with sending through mail?
 

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I saw that video days ago.....there are alot of unanswered questions (in my mind)......we don't know the full details of the unit that failed....could it be that the unit was dropped on concrete 20 times before it failed? Fact remains it is being recalled... and if one doesn't want to mail it back then that is their choice.....millions of batteries are shipped daily and even inside devices....can they possibly fail during shipment? Possibly can...

Oh well my friend I think we have beat this horse to death......have a great day.....

Yeah, yeah - now that you've created a needless argument. What video - the guy posted photos here, not a video. It was a brand new groove. It fell 3 feet onto the carpet. A PV shouldn't go thermal from that. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/apv-discussion/427656-please-read.html
"Millions of batteries are shipped everyday" - are they like this one - easily punctured due to a thin, soft and inadequate cover, and easily knocked loose and punctured by screws positioned in just the right place to do that.

Here's a video which shows how defective these are:
 
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Batteries can fail for many reasons....and can fail when not even in a product or device....so do we ban shipping batteries all together?

Oh you added a bit. Sorry but this is just silly, it really is. If we know a battery is easily susceptible to venting, to the point that its being recalled, then it makes sense not to take unnecessary risks. Its not every other battery out there -its the one in the Groove, that isn't adequately protected and can vent very easily.
If its known an aeroplane has a fault that endangers it, it is grounded - not sent into flight because after all, planes fly everyday and are we going to ground them all now? :facepalm:
 
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They'll have a real liability issue if one goes thermal in a plane. Advising customers to not use them and how to dispose of them and refunding their money doesn't make them liable. The problem with the Groove, especially the metal ones, is they can be set off too darn easily.

If a Groove goes kaboom in transit, the real liability issue is with whoever shipped it. Vendors asking their customers to mail back grooves so they can 'properly dispose' of it are asking us to commit a crime, basically ship a fire bomb with a trigger that may or may not go off.
 

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Let me set the record strait....I did not create a needless argument...I only posted comments...you were the one who choose to debate...so my discussions with you are over as you continue to be offensive to me...have a great life...no harm, no foul...

Yeah, yeah - now that you've created a needless argument. What video - the guy posted photos here, not a video. It was a brand new groove. It fell 3 feet onto the carpet. A PV shouldn't go thermal from that. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/apv-discussion/427656-please-read.html
"Millions of batteries are shipped everyday" - are they like this one - easily punctured due to a thin, soft and inadequate cover, and easily knocked loose and punctured by screws positioned in just the right place to do that.

Here's a video which shows how defective these are:
 

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Let me set the record strait....I did not create a needless argument...I only posted comments...you were the one who choose to debate...so my discussions with you are over as you continue to be offensive to me...have a great life...no harm, no foul...

Quite happy to see you not continue this needless arguing. The "I only posted comments" comes across as disingenuous.
Thank you.
 
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