So - are we getting it or are we not - nicotine

[Stubby]

Have you had a chance to try the tribulus yet? I'm looking at ordering it now.

I haven't been to the forums in a long time because I just gave up vaping and went back to smoking. vaping just isn't the same and I'm pretty sure it has to do with the MAOIs. I thought I would try it again (ordered an EGO), but I know I'm going to have to have some MAOIs in some form or I can't do it.

Why not just do the tried and true way of getting MAOI's instead of messing around with very questionable approaches. We already know that snus and dissolvables as in Stonewalls and Ariva have the goods and are several orders of magnitude less harmful then smoking. All this other stuff is sounding rather silly.

 

[Jocie]

Hey guys!

Like many, I haven't read every post on this loooooong thread. :O lol

I have a question.

If you hold the vapor in your mouth for a while and blow it out your nose slowly, it delivers nicotine more efficiently? Like B vitamin tablets under the tongue?

Just wanna know when my cig gets here the best way to use it.

I started smoking regular cigs about a week ago after a year or so of having quit and not even craving them much. Stinking stress!!

 

[hittman]

Stubby is right. It seems to me that people go to alot of trouble trying to figure out all of these different supplements when snus, and dissolvables are there ready to use and have years of research backing up their proven harm reduction compared to smoking. One other thing I might add Stubby, as someone who still likes to vape as well as use snus, is that after using Dvap's WTA liquid that I can understand wanting a liquid that tastes and feels like the WTA liquid. It is about as close as you might get to the feel of smoking without burning tobacco. I did find that even as good as the WTA is that I still wanted my snus but didn't use near as much.

Jocie, I do believe that I remember Tropical Bob or someone saying that most of the nicotine is absorbed thru the mouth and nose, so as far as I know, that would be the best way to absorb as much as possible.

 

[Jocie]

Thanks! I'll remember that when it gets here.

 

[Smokin'Sandy]

Why not just do the tried and true way of getting MAOI's instead of messing around with very questionable approaches. We already know that snus and dissolvables as in Stonewalls and Ariva have the goods and are several orders of magnitude less harmful then smoking. All this other stuff is sounding rather silly.

Yes, I have thought about the dissolvables. I looked at the Swedish snus online and the shipping is rather high because of the USPS ban and all. I don't know...I would rather have it all in one, like hittman is talking about with the WTA in a juice. I was just trying to make it more like smoking and getting the same feeling at the same time. I don't really want a pouch of anything in my mouth, but the dissolvables might have to do.

I've already ordered the tribulus tincture and I'll see what happens. I really wish WTA juice was available though.

Thanks!

 

[hittman]

Sandy, I thought the same thing about snus before I first tried it. I couldn't imagine walking around with a pouch of tobacco in my mouth. I thought surely that it would ruin my teeth or something. I have been using it over a year and a half and have no ill effects from it other than I really enjoy it now. I had braces for about 15 months with visits to the orthodontist every few weeks and cleaning visits to the dentist every three months and I got several compliments how much better my teeth and gums looked after not smoking. I think if you brush and floss like you're supposed anyway that the only difference you might see is a little extra staining here and there. To me the WTA liquid is so much like smoking that it made me feel guilty sometimes like I was smoking. I have to wonder at what point is it too much like smoking. The dissolvables are a good alternative and I think that the stonewalls pack a pretty good punch but if I remember correctly, Dvap said that one would have to consume quite a bit of them to get the effect of the WTA's.

 

[Smokin'Sandy]

Sandy, I thought the same thing about snus before I first tried it. I couldn't imagine walking around with a pouch of tobacco in my mouth. I thought surely that it would ruin my teeth or something. I have been using it over a year and a half and have no ill effects from it other than I really enjoy it now. I had braces for about 15 months with visits to the orthodontist every few weeks and cleaning visits to the dentist every three months and I got several compliments how much better my teeth and gums looked after not smoking. I think if you brush and floss like you're supposed anyway that the only difference you might see is a little extra staining here and there. To me the WTA liquid is so much like smoking that it made me feel guilty sometimes like I was smoking. I have to wonder at what point is it too much like smoking. The dissolvables are a good alternative and I think that the stonewalls pack a pretty good punch but if I remember correctly, Dvap said that one would have to consume quite a bit of them to get the effect of the WTA's.

Ohh...so the snus delivers more of the WTA's? If so, I may have to try that instead of the Stonewalls. Do you use the Swedish kind or the kind that's made in the US? I'll have to stop by the store on the way home and pick up some of the camel kind or something. My new ecig should be in my mailbox.

I couldn't quit before with the just the ecig, so I'm hoping a supplement to the ecig will do the trick.

 

[Stubby]

This is the General snus locator. You have to register but then you will be able to find stores that sell Swedish snus (at least the general brand).

Log On

If you get lucky you may be able to find some Swedish General snus close to you. You live in a moderately large city so that may work to get you started. The PACT act has made it a good deal more difficult for new people to get a good feel for the different types of snus.

Swedish snus is without a doubt a good deal better then any US made snus. But having said that the first snus I tried was Camel. I wasn't able to quit smoking with it but it intrigued me enough to give the Swedes a try. A few days after my first Swedish snus I quit smoking..... and that was nearly two years ago. Without a doubt it has the goods.

 

[hittman]

Sandy, I use the Swedish snus. Like Stubby, my first snus was camel. The frost kind is sweet like candy. I think that trying the camel would be a good idea before ordering anything. The best scenario would be to find some general brand snus locally like stubby said. General has some pretty decent flavors but if you decide that you do like snus, then don't limit yourself. There are a lot of great swedish snus flavors out there to enjoy. The shipping does kind of suck but if you put a decent size order together then it offsets the shipping cost and sometimes the vendors have specials on shipping if you spend a certain dollar amount. I think Northerner/getsnus even offered free shipping once since Pact started.

 

[Smokin'Sandy]

Thanks Stubby and hittman...I picked up some Camel snus on the way home yesterday. I got the frost and the flavor was really good but after about 5 minutes, I started to get a little nauseated. Not too bad, but a little bit. It does help with the urges though if I use it while vaping (maybe that's why I get nauseated). It stopped me from smoking on my break this morning but on the next break, I lit up a smoke. This is going to be hard because cigarettes have been my constant companion for 35 years and quitting is like cutting off an appendage. Although, I didn't notice any different feeling from smoking than I did from the snus and vaping. Snus and vaping definately tastes better. I think it's more psychological now than anything. I'll just keep reminding myself of how much better tasting the vapor is compared to the smoke. Something has to work.

 

[hittman]

Sandy you are just starting on the journey. Don't kill yourself over trying to quit. It's a big learning process to find out what works for you. I vape a little, use snus, and nasal snuff. I understand totally what you are saying about the constant companion. I was at a pack and a half a day and had been smoking for 23 years and knew I had to make a change. I won't lie, I still have the occasional smoke but don't put the guilt trip on myself any more. I figure even if I have one a day then that's 29 less than I was having before. For me, snus works better than vaping ever did but I still vape I think more for the physical end of it more than anything. I go thru alot less liquid than I used to though. I hardly vape at work anymore. Snus keeps me level throughout the work day. Hang in there and don't give up. It's a long road ahead. Just do your best. That's all you can hope for.

 

[Smokin'Sandy]

Thanks hittman...I just got back from going outside and smoking my 4th cigarette for the day. That's pretty good if I say so myself! I usually have that many before I even get to work. And by the way, it tasted horrible (a little negative reinforcement doesn't hurt)!

 

[hittman]

That's great Sandy. You deserve a pat on the back. That sounds alot like how I used to be. I would smoke one or two when I first got up and then another two or three on the way to work. Keep up the good work.

 

[Stubby]

I needed a smoke just to get out of bed. If I can do it there's hope for anyone.

As hittman said, don't get down on yourself about having a few smokes. It's no big deal. The great thing about harm reduction products is that you're not quitting nicotine. I don't have the fear and anxiety that if I have that one cigarette it's all over. Just pop a snus in and be on my way. Nearly everyone gets to the point where cigarettes are just not attractive anymore. It's not a matter of willpower or any of that nonsense. It's just substituting one type of tobacco with another. There's an adjustment period but with any desire at all to quit smoking it's not hard. I don't feel I've given anything up.

Having said that you haven't tried snus until you've had some good Swedish snus. There is a significant difference in the satisfaction level that US snus doesn't have. Still hoping someone in the US will make a good snus but as of yet it's not there, but getting better with every generation.

 

[Smokin'Sandy]

OMG yes, the morning cigarette is a must right now. You know, I can see how cigarettes would eventually become less attractive. It doesn't even bother me to go outside with my ecig and snus. It's pretty satisifying.

Our proxy filter at work won't let me search the General Snus locator, but I'll try to remember to do it at home (thanks for the link Stubby).

Thanks for the pat hittman!

 

[unmatter]

Some of you might want to try a vaporizer. It has an area where you put your tobacco in and it heats it up to give you the vapor without the smoke when you take a drag. I think most use it for other things like herbs, but I don't see why it wouldn't work for tobacco. Some of them need to be plugged in to the wall outlet and others are battery operated. Try doing a google search for vaporizers.

I can't say how they work for tobacco as I've never tried it. Fortunately, I have been off of all tobacco products using just my ecigs for 2.5 yrs now so just the nic is doing me fine, but for those who need more this might work.

 

[jpf880]

I was a pack and 1/2 smoker for 32 yrs. When I started vaping the beginning of Jan and only 1 month 3 weeks analog free. That first one in the morning and the one driving home from work was the hardest to give up. Then one morning when I went to let my dogs out grabbed my ego and that was it, other quit the day they get their ecig. Everyone is different. Keep up the great things you are doing!!

 

[Jocie]

I just ordered Nature's Way Passionflower Extract w/Alcohol. How would I use this in a homemade liquid? How many passionflower drops per cartridge?

I got my first E-cig today! It works really well but it doesn't give that soothing feel a regular cig does. I feel the nicotine though, lol.

 

[Barney]

Hey Josie. I suggest no more than one drop passionflower per twenty drops to thirty drops of regular nic juices. Here's what E-cigarette forum member grim_piper posted on 6-08-2010 regarding his passionflower sojourn......

"So in my promise to keep you updated here goes:
No adverse health reactions after two weeks.
I'm using about a drop per milliliter when the oral dosage on the bottle is 20-30 drops, thrice daily, so it's not a particularly high dosage.
I've eaten liver, fava beans and nice chianti with no headache etc, so at this dosage the effect of an MAOI-b and a regular diet doesn't seem to effect me.
No increased sun sensitivity.
My blood pressure is lower than when I started(107/65 on average) and the shortness of breath I had experienced before is greatly reduced. I'm wondering if those were more due to anxiety than overdone nicotine and PG.
I vape less and do not freak out if my e-cig is not at hand.
My cravings for analogs are practically nil and my mood is better.
I had two drags off a friend's cigarette about a week ago and handed it back with no desire to continue.
My only complaint is that the tincture I'm using seems to leave a residue on the cartomizer and has to be washed out more often.
So, for me, this seems to be working. I do not recommend it for others without severe caution to take it slow and monitor any possible adverse reactions. Read up all you can on harmine and related alkaloids as much as you can before you try any experiments."

I followed his lead with the passionflower mixture of one drop per twenty to thirty drops with e-liquid and got similar results. According to the above link, passionflower contains Quercetin as the principle whereas tribulus's principle is from the same as that of tobacco! ( Harmala / Harmine / harmalol )!! With the success I've had with passionflower, I'd have to be crazy not to give this tribulus tincture a try. I appreciate Tetsab and Tescela's prudence in this matter for everyone concerned, and I too am a little weary of possibly freebasing a steroid (although Native Americans seemed to do okay with it), but if people have been taking spoonfuls of the stuff forever, then how could one tiny drop in a mixture of twenty for a whole day be so dangerous not to mention that the drop is at least fifty percent diluted?

With that said I highly doubt I'll end up in the morgue as a stiff. More likely I'll just end up with a stiffy. Maybe both. We'll have to wait and see.

 

[Barney]

Hey Sandy, I read from a posting on this thread that some of the tribulus tinctures sold in health food stores had the MAOIs removed. I called quite a few online retailers including Herbal Remedies for a inquiry on the matter and had zero responses. However in the next few weeks I'm heading to India where the tribulus root is plentiful and available everywhere so I'll let you know when I find a tincture with the MAOIs left intact.