So do you consider yourself a "smoker"?

[grandmato5]

I've not been a smoker for over two years now. For more then two years I have vaped. Other then occasionally being frustrated by so many peoples ignorance and refusal to look at the facts, I could care less what they think of my vaping. The only thing that matters is that I no longer smoking cigarettes.

With that said, yep, I find the majority of people in my real life do beleive I am still a smoker If one sees what they think is smoke(smoke requires combustion and there is no combustion occurring when we vape) coming from a devise they know to be called an electric cigarette then I must be smoking is their belief My ecigs were fine with the majority of these people when I first started but when they saw me still vaping after 6 months many of them gave me their condolences for my failure to give it all up Took me a while, but I finally figured out they saw ecigs as an acceptable short term method to stopping smoking but when I was still vaping six months after starting, I obviously had not been successful in my attempt to quit smoking in their minds hence their condolences

You op are vaping o mg, there is NO tobacco product by any name in your ecig. Its not possible for a competent physician to consider you a smoker. An incompetent physician is capable of any conclusion.

And by the way, you arent the only person to be vaping zero mg juice today

 

[wrenfisher]

So no - I haven't quit - I'm no less of a nicotine junky - "smoker" - than I ever was. That will probably piss a few people off, people who like to trumpet that they have "quit" using e-cigs. They haven't - but they most certainly have achieved the most important part - they've got rid of the only part of a cigarette that'll kill you - and surely, that's what it's actually about??

I don't think anyone here is claiming they quit nicotine-- just smoking. And you're right-- that's big. The rest is semantics.

 

[Dr. Phill]

If someone asks me for a smoke, I cannot, honestly, give them one because I do NOT smoke!! So nope, I'm not a smoker, nor can I bum out a pack a day to moochers thanks to me quitting !!

 

[Dr. Phill]

So no - I haven't quit - I'm no less of a nicotine junky - "smoker" - than I ever was. That will probably piss a few people off, people who like to trumpet that they have "quit" using e-cigs. They haven't - but they most certainly have achieved the most important part - they've got rid of the only part of a cigarette that'll kill you - and surely, that's what it's actually about??

So where exactly is the "smoke" in e-cigs? I thought it was vapor and about 8-10 other chemicals all of which are below the FDA levels of dangerous. So you are saying there is SMOKE in e-cigs and we are all still smokers correct?

 

[Skyway]

So where exactly is the "smoke" in e-cigs? I thought it was vapor and about 8-10 other chemicals all of which are below the FDA levels of dangerous. So you are saying there is SMOKE in e-cigs and we are all still smokers correct?

Even less for someone like me with DIY. I only use 4 ingredients. PG/VG/Nic/flavor, Nic and flavor are usually PG/VG based.

 

[kwalka]

No offense to anybody, including the OP, but this whole thread is silly. You either smoke or you dont. I vape exclusively, therefore I am a nonsmoker.

 

[fourthrok]

I'm a non-smoker. And I'm in the process of shaking the nicotine habit, too. I started at 18mg. a year ago. I'm now on 5mg. and plan to drop lower very soon. I can feel it's time. Soon I won't be a nicotine addict to add to the accomplishment of being a non-smoker. Then I'll just be a vaper. Simple.

My husband started vaping this past June. He is in the process of being treated at the Mayo Clinic for a serious condition. When the doctor talked to him about smoking, husband explained he didn't smoke cigarettes, but was using a PV..or e-cig...for 3 months. The doctor stamped his file "NON SMOKER".

'Nuff said.

 

[B.Traven]

I've decided that if anyone asks--hasn't happened yet, but just in case--I'm gonna call it my inhaler, a nicotine inhaler, you know like the gum but you inhale it instead of chewing it. As for myself, I refer to the gadget as a stick, as in: "Hold on, got get my stick..."

I'm going to drop the whole "vaper, vaping, vaporizer" thing altogether. I think it's immensely counterproductive. To me the term "personal vaporizer" sounds like some demented cross between an adult novelty and some kind of dope paraphernalia and that cruise forum experience you mentioned makes my point.

From now on t's my inhaler, my nicotine inhaler and I just puff on it. Nice and neutral. Puffing sounds pleasant, noninvasive, like a soft little puff of air from a pleasant spring breeze, blowing those white things off a dandelion seedhead. Who could object to that, brings to mind kitty-cat whiskers and snowflakes. But vaping, geezuz, sounds like something a doped-up vampire'd do.

btraven

 

[boog]

I consider vaping the same as smoking.

burning juice is "basicly" the same as burning plant matter imo- you are still burning, inhaling and exhaling "smoke"

 

[YKruss]

I consider vaping the same as smoking.

burning juice is "basicly" the same as burning plant matter imo- you are still burning, inhaling and exhaling "smoke"

It's not "burning juice" process but heating.
It doesn't change the chemical structure of juice.
The result of the heating process is a changed form - from liquid to gas-like, i.e. vapor.

Not a smoker here.

 

[Kemosabe]

They could not hold to this since there are things organically that carry nicotine. With this reasoning, you could say someone that eats a lot of tomatoes or eggplant is a smoker. My insurance company does not do this. Not sure who you use.

allow me to clarify. trace amounts of nicotine from eggplants, and other foods do not show up the same way nicotine from smoking or vaping does. its very easy for the blood test to identify inhaling nicotine vs injesting trace amounts of it. every single life insurance company does it.

 

[boog]

It's not "burning juice" process but heating.
It doesn't change the chemical structure of juice.
The result of the heating process is a changed form - from liquid to gas-like, i.e. vapor.

Not a smoker here.

I consider myself a smoker- just a less stinky smoker still addicted though

 

[Skyway]

allow me to clarify. trace amounts of nicotine from eggplants, and other foods do not show up the same way nicotine from smoking or vaping does. its very easy for the blood test to identify inhaling nicotine vs injesting trace amounts of it. every single life insurance company does it.

Apparently not, since I have asked my Insurance company about it and they stated no.
The amounts of nicotine showing up from a vaper that has been off of cigarettes for a certain amount of time has shown to be dramatically smaller than a smoker. So much so that it is hardly noticeable. I guess tests will vary depending on how it is done or who does it. It shouldn't but that is the medical system. The MG rating you are vaping will go into this also and I am assuming along with how often you vape in a day.
Regardless, I am a non-smoker/ex-smoker, whatever you want to call it. No insurance company will tell me different.

 

[fourthrok]

I consider vaping the same as smoking.

burning juice is "basicly" the same as burning plant matter imo- you are still burning, inhaling and exhaling "smoke"

So when you boil a pot of water for tea, you are "burning" it? No...e-juice isn't water, but it's the same idea. The heat from the atomizer warms the juice ...not BURNS it (at least not ideally or on purpose!) and the only "smoke" is just the vaporized liquid residue. That is not smoke. Where there's smoke there's fire, they say. Well...while it looks a lot like smoke, there is no fire, thus no smoke!

When it's really cold outside and you breathe out,there is a vapor in the air, right? So is that "smoke", too? I mean, your body is warming the moisture in the air etc....and producing a residue that resembles smoke. So is it smoke?? No. It's vapor.

Not everyone uses nicotine in their e-juice when they vape, you know. Or did you?

Every time you run a vaporizer in some little kid's room when they have a cough or cold...and there's a little medicine in that vaporizer to make the kid's lungs and sinuses feel better...then you are introducing "smoke" into the kid's room? Is that how it works?

 

[boog]

So when you boil a pot of water for tea, you are "burning" it?

if you leave it on the stove too long (burn it) it will reduce to pretty much nothing but a black spot.

when you heat/burn juice, it reduces/disappears. otherwise we would never have to refill tanks or drip more juice onto a hot coil.

when you make tea, you try not to vaporize the water.

I consider myself a smoker, I also consider everybody else who vapes a smoker.

I don't really care what you consider yourself.. smoker/vaper call it whatever you like, I will do the same.

 

[JENerationX]

Calling it smoking is doing a serious disservice to vapers everywhere. If you call it smoking and treat it like smoking, you're making it easy for the public to vilify vapers and create bans that corral us into vaping only where smoking is allowed. Vaping is NOT the same as smoking and shouldn't be classified as the same thing, much less by one of us.

I'm a former smoker.

 

[kwalka]

Calling it smoking is doing a serious disservice to vapers everywhere. If you call it smoking and treat it like smoking, you're making it easy for the public to vilify vapers and create bans that corral us into vaping only where smoking is allowed. Vaping is NOT the same as smoking and shouldn't be classified as the same thing, much less by one of us.

I'm a former smoker.

100% ^^^^^^

 

[DC2]

Apparently not, since I have asked my Insurance company about it and they stated no.

You're lucky because most insurance companies test for nicotine levels above a certain threshold.
Normal daily consumption of nicotine through eating vegetables will not show up anywhere near those levels.

The amounts of nicotine showing up from a vaper that has been off of cigarettes for a certain amount of time has shown to be dramatically smaller than a smoker. So much so that it is hardly noticeable.

Not true. Vaping even small amounts of nicotine will usually be enough to register as "smoker" on their tests.

I guess tests will vary depending on how it is done or who does it.

There is a relatively inexpensive test for carbon monoxide that will distinguish a smoker from a nicotine user.
As far as I know there are no insurance companies that care enough to do the proper test.

 

[DC2]

Vaping is not smoking no matter how much people want to think it is.

Vaping is the production of vapor, smoking is the production of smoke.
Vapor is not harmful, smoke kills people.

I can think the world is flat, but that ain't gonna make it flat.

 

[opal]

Just started vaping ummm 3 days ago and already have put the analogs down. In my heart (because of my healthy disrespect for authority I guess) I will probably always consider myself a smoker.. but not practicing.
I still don't believe that tobacco on it's own is a bad thing - all the chemicals in cigs.. of course.. plain rice paper, not so much.. all the chemicals in the papers used commercially.. bad things.

Yes.. I am a non-practicing smoker.

Kind of like yes.. I'm a mom, even though the kid is not here being raised.. pushing 30 and married