So Enough Already with the "You must do this" "You must buy that" Attitude

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I am a little old southern lady which means I knew how to put someone in their place before I was 20 without ever saying anything impolite :) You are on the gulf you know what I am talking about.

I have also been to Germany. I can assure you it is a very different thing. The whole way things are phrased is very different and comes out a bit more abrupt than a Southerner is used to. I have long suspected it is a combination of different sentence structures in the language with a bit of cultural differences thrown in for good measure.

Mind you the only German I learned to speak on that trip was from our Austrian bus driver and not fit for polite company.

Lol- yeah I'm right where the river meets the gulf.; lived out west I'm the desert for a few years; but came back. The closest I came to Europe was one of my electrical engineering instructors was from Germany and was a designer for seimens over there. Couldn't tell by sentence structure because he was inherently just that way.


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@T0ny3:

I most certainly meant no offense. And if you took my remark to be insulting, I apologize.

I meant it like "If you are happy with your Provari, then that is very nice."
And there is the English expression "You are (more than) welcome to .. enjoy something / do something / live your own life ... " meaning, the way I understand it, "That is your right / why should I mind?"

I think this must have been a misunderstanding. Due to cultural differences and the fact that I am not a native speaker. Again, I meant no offense.

@Myrany: thank you :wub:
I was off in another thread for a while.
 

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@T0ny3:

I most certainly meant no offense. And if you took my remark to be insulting, I apologize.

I meant it like "If you are happy with your Provari, then that is very nice."
And there is the English expression "You are (more than) welcome to .. enjoy something / do something / live your own life ... " meaning, the way I understand it, "That is your right / why should I mind?"

I think this must have been a misunderstanding. Due to cultural differences and the fact that I am not a native speaker. Again, I meant no offense.

@Myrany: thank you :wub:
I was off in another thread for a while.

The "You are more than welcome to..." sort of phrase is often used these days with a bit of a sneer.

More like "You are more than welcome to ..." while implying I think you are a fool.

Yep it is cultural and situational and probably the difficulty of translating tone to text. Heck it might just be a southern thing. LOL
 

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Lol- you made me so curious that I ended up doing the math.
I left out the things like juice - that's a total other issue and has to be purchased or made no matter what hardware you use.
And I left out toppers- I use the same 3 now and have been for months and he clearos I used to buy in bulk so it's a wash at this point.
But it was cool to see.

The stuff that I wasted money on (didn't work for me)

Blu- $93.00- Lasted 1 month
Eroll- &124.00- lasted 2 weeks
Ego- $55.00- lasted 3 days
Ego- $64.00- lasted 2 weeks
Ego- $58.00- lasted 1 day

Total- $394.00
Total days 50 days at 394.00 at a cost of 7.88 a day, that's 38 cents a day more than I was spending on cigs, plus I was still smoking.

Stuff that worked for me:

MVP2.0- $41.00- lasted 5 months(fiancé sill using)
Provari- $170-lasting 5 months going strong
Batts n charger - 2@12.00-1@16-40.00

Total- $251.00
So far that is 150 days at a cost of 1.67 a day.
For a saving of 5.83 cents a day

Well in my experience the MVP and the Provari were a better buy- at least for me.
The first column were all purchased at what was at the time the only brick and mortar near me. I hadn't looked online yet; but was trying to speak to humans to get help. The last two I bought online when I realized the human were idiots.


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55 bucks for an ego that lasted 1 day... If you bought from a b&m why not take back and get your money back? Same on the 3 day. That is skewing of the numbers big time. They should have at least a 14 day return policy especially if the item broke.

I have 3 spinners for 1 year and half. Say I paid 20 bucks for them. I can't remember. That is 75/[365+365(.5)] or 13 cents per day. I used those 3 for 7 months straight until I decided to get an apv and a mech.

Every piece of equipment I have still works. From my volts to my mechs and apvs. Heck even the ProSmoke starter kit that I got the day I decided to take the leap into vaping, works. It is crap but it works. I had two issues that the sellers resolved with me. One with a volt which they replaced it. The other was with fasttech and they replaced it.

I stopped my spreadsheet on smoking vs vaping when I hit the 1 grand saving mark. I just decided not to worry about it anymore.
 

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Oh, so it is 200$ - or 159$ without certain parts, as another poster said - for a Provari, even in the States?

I hear ya, AndriaD. 200$ is a lot of money. Especially for something that I would use only to hold a battery to power my atomizer. With features that I would never use in the first place. Yes, I would very much call that a luxury item. And no, I do not have any intention of spending that kind of money for such a product.

By the way: I am not into expensive designer clothing or expensive brand name sneakers and stuff either. I used to smoke the cigs from the discount store. At savings of over 1 Euro per pack. Pay good money to sport a brand name or a label? No way. I see no reason to spend good money on bragging rights when reasonably priced items give me (personally) the same satisfaction.

Of course, if somebody wants to spend the money to enjoy extra features, that is just fine and it is their decision. :)
It is just that I, personally, would not use the features. Thus, the money spent on the features would be wasted. Thus, I would spend the money on the bragging rights alone. And that - to me - would be wasteful and unnecessary.

Thankfully, we are all different :)

Yeah I don't buy designer stuff either -- most of my clothes come from Walmart. I don't even buy name-brands on groceries, unless I know for a fact that there is some definite reason for spending more -- I buy Twinings English Breakfast tea because it's just plain *better* than anything produced in America -- American tea tastes ok for iced tea -- Luzianne is GREAT for iced tea -- but there is no aroma at all, so for hot tea, it's kinda bland and boring. I bought the off-brand cheap cigarettes for a long time, but they started tasting really bad, kinda sour like pickles or something, ugh. So I made a deal with my other half, that I could go back to buying Virginia Slims, if I held it to 1 pk a day -- so I bought the 120mm length, which meant I could get 2 smokes out of one cigarette. :D When I started vaping, I realized that the 2nd half of those cigarettes tasted horrible, but when I was just a smoker, I couldn't tell a bit of difference in the front half vs. the back half.

As for features... the P'vari doesn't even have variable wattage, just variable voltage. And I don't think it has eGo threading either. The threading isn't really a huge deal since I've discovered the wonder that is Kayfun, with their 510 connector, but I could not live without variable wattage, which I've got on my iTaste vv3s and my Sigelei Zmax v3 -- all of those were less than $40, so I've got 3 extremely excellent mods for LESS than the price of ONE P'vari -- $106 to be exact, so I can even go ahead and get that white vv3 for another $26 and still not have spent as much as ONE P'vari. A lot of folks say, well it's easy to figure what voltage.. yeah right. I'm a total 100% MATH ...... so any figuring I DON'T have to do is worth a great deal to me!!! Especially considering that there is at least a 50% chance that any figuring I do is WRONG. So my variable wattage mods are actually MORE valuable than the expensive P'vari which doesn't do that simple thing I need.

And finally... this may seem petty, but... I don't even like the way the P'varis look. Now, if something is *cheaper* I might overlook that small an issue. But for something not just a little but a LOT more costly, I'm not prepared to overlook anything, and they just don't look good to me; I like my Sigelei's looks much better, and it cost $40.

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@Myrany:

Oh my goodness gracious! :ohmy: Thank you very much for the explanation! Now, this is something I definitely did not know.
I lived in the States for 2 years, New York State, but that was 1980 - 1982, and I do not remember that expression as sneering at all.
I do speak English every day. But with people of a different origin.
Thank you very much for pointing this out!
 

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55 bucks for an ego that lasted 1 day... If you bought from a b&m why not take back and get your money back? Same on the 3 day. That is skewing of the numbers big time. They should have at least a 14 day return policy especially if the item broke.

I have 3 spinners for 1 year and half. Say I paid 20 bucks for them. I can't remember. That is 75/[365+365(.5)] or 13 cents per day. I used those 3 for 7 months straight until I decided to get an apv and a mech.

Every piece of equipment I have still works. From my volts to my mechs and apvs. Heck even the ProSmoke starter kit that I got the day I decided to take the leap into vaping, works. It is crap but it works. I had two issues that the sellers resolved with me. One with a volt which they replaced it. The other was with fasttech and they replaced it.

I stopped my spreadsheet on smoking vs vaping when I hit the 1 grand saving mark. I just decided not to worry about it anymore.




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55 bucks for an ego that lasted 1 day... If you bought from a b&m why not take back and get your money back? Same on the 3 day. That is skewing of the numbers big time. They should have at least a 14 day return policy especially if the item broke.

I have 3 spinners for 1 year and half. Say I paid 20 bucks for them. I can't remember. That is 75/[365+365(.5)] or 13 cents per day. I used those 3 for 7 months straight until I decided to get an apv and a mech.

Every piece of equipment I have still works. From my volts to my mechs and apvs. Heck even the ProSmoke starter kit that I got the day I decided to take the leap into vaping, works. It is crap but it works. I had two issues that the sellers resolved with me. One with a volt which they replaced it. The other was with fasttech and they replaced it.

I stopped my spreadsheet on smoking vs vaping when I hit the 1 grand saving mark. I just decided not to worry about it anymore.

They wouldn't take it back; so i tried a differ r version. All they sold though we're joyetechs- the very reason I won't do an evich. The numbers look great on a scope; my, experience with their products and build quality says I'm too rough for them. They all broke in my pocket; falling out my chair and into my car. - my wheelchair seer is about 2.5 feet above the drivers set of the car(trans-am so it sits like a go-cart)
I fall out the chair and into the car to get in and have a handle I can pull up and throw myself over to get out.
I was totally ignorant on the internet shopping for this stuff and the shop was the only game In town up until a few Months back; so, they kind of had you by the short and curlys. Honestly I was also desperate to quit smoking- tried gum, patches, pills and this was the only thing I really saw to have potential.


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They wouldn't take it back; so i tried a differ r version. All they sold though we're joyetechs- the very reason I won't do an evich. The numbers look great on a scope; my, experience with their products and build quality says I'm too rough for them. They all broke in my pocket; falling out my chair and into my car. - my wheelchair seer is about 2.5 feet above the drivers set of the car(trans-am so it sits like a go-cart)
I fall out the chair and into the car to get in and have a handle I can pull up and throw myself over to get out.
I was totally ignorant on the internet shopping for this stuff and the shop was the only game In town up until a few Months back; so, they kind of had you by the short and curlys. Honestly I was also desperate to quit smoking- tried gum, patches, pills and this was the only thing I really saw to have potential.


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A shame they would not take it back.

I have to admit that if you are hard on your mods the Provari is the one to go with especially for regulated vaping which if I was hard on mods I would want as well. Although I have dropped my SVD on my brick porch and had the brick chip. Personally would rather have the device break than the brick work.

I recently cut my nic down to 0 and 3 mg. I supplemented it with nic gum. That lasted a couple months and I was getting irritable. I finally broke down and ordered some 12mg. Man a big difference. Now I tank the low nic liquid (I make it myself basically unflavored) and drip the 12 mg............ I have to say I probably have never been able to taste eliquid in a year and 6 months. My taste buds died a couple months into vaping. I vaped mostly unflavored but tried flavors here and there ( Mainly DIY but would order premiums but always went back to DIY because of no flavor). The 12 mg I order from somewhere and bam, I have flavor now... Imagine having vapors tongue for almost 2 years and then tasting vapor again! I just hope it doesn't go away.
 
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A shame they would not take it back.

I have to admit that if you are hard on your mods the Provari is the one to go with especially for regulated vaping which if I was hard on mods I would want as well. Although I have dropped my SVD on my brick porch and had the brick chip. Personally would rather have the device break than the brick work.

Lol- I don't know bro; a little mortar never hurt masonry lol.
Being that hard on them was why I got the MVP also. Both are built like tanks! And truthfully I looked at the SVD; it just didn't feel as comfortable in my hand as the prothingy. I actually prefer either a short tube mod or a small box mod. The Hana mini and prothingy mini both have a great feel for form and function to me. Of course I got the standard since I knew it would be my only mod purchase for a while and wanted the battery life knowing if it wasn't long enough for me I could get the extension for a fee bucks and double the battery capacity to 2200 mah.
All my "bad" purchase tonight me to think long term. Lol- expensive lesson; but, lesson learned.


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A shame they would not take it back.

I have to admit that if you are hard on your mods the Provari is the one to go with especially for regulated vaping which if I was hard on mods I would want as well. Although I have dropped my SVD on my brick porch and had the brick chip. Personally would rather have the device break than the brick work.

I recently cut my nic down to 0 and 3 mg. I supplemented it with nic gum. That lasted a couple months and I was getting irritable. I finally broke down and ordered some 12mg. Man a big difference. Now I tank the low nic liquid (I make it myself basically unflavored) and drip the 12 mg............ I have to say I probably have never been able to taste eliquid in a year and 6 months. My taste buds died a couple months into vaping. I vaped mostly unflavored but tried flavors here and there ( Mainly DIY but would order premiums but always went back to DIY because of no flavor). The 12 mg I order from somewhere and bam, I have flavor now... Imagine having vapors tongue for almost 2 years and then tasting vapor again! I just hope it doesn't go away.

Oh man that would suck!
I've had vapor tongue a few times; I noticed I would get it from dripping high nic. And a nice cold dr pepper seamed to help it go away.
I couldn't handle loosing my taste buds though! ouch.


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A luxury is only worth the expense if you notice the difference.
That is a key concept, right there, and a very well worded one too.

I research, decide upon and buy my vaping equipment the same way most of us here do. What do I want in a specific type of product (tank/mod/mech/battery/etc.)? Starting with the basics: design, materials, build quality, features, compatibility, cost to use over time, etc. Which of those is more important to me, which is less important to me. With all of that, personal value (opportunity cost vs. price) can be determined. Divide opportunity cost by price. If the result is zero or higher, then it would be a justifiable purchase. Lower than zero means it would not be a justifiable purchase. This is one of the most basic aspects of macro-economics.

In more depth, features tend to take the most time to research and decide upon simply because the list is longer, even when feature set isn't a person's top priority.

Most of my vaping purchases were fairly easy choices for two main reasons. (1) You people here at ECF have taught me so much that I can look at most products and quickly make a well-informed decision. And so far, I've been very satisfied with almost everything I've bought over my five month vaping career. (2) Most of what I've bought have been low cost items. $7 for this, $20 for that, and such. Screwing up a $200 purchase obviously hurts more than screwing up a $20 one.

Predictably, the product that took me the most time to research and ask others about has also been my most expensive one. It's my eVic-S ($159 for the kit: eVic Supreme, Sony 18650 VTC5 2100mAh battery, passthrough cable and wall adapter). It's only been on the market for a few weeks, but I'm really looking forward to discovering the true value (market and personal) of this device over the next several months as more people buy them and compare them with earlier products in the same category. I haven't owned the first eVic model, but comparing it with the new Supreme model by the reports of others, and by the data I've found online, the difference seems to be extensive. I've heard a few people say "The eVic-S? Yeah, I bought an eVic last year..." Not realizing that it's a very different animal, mainly (and significantly) in build quality.

It's all about the difference between making an informed decision and making an uninformed decision. We'd all prefer to do the former, but it's hard when you can't actually own "one of everything", and then decide first hand what you want to keep and what you want to sell (or better yet, PIF). Once I sell some books and make my first billion, I can do just that. (Tongue firmly in cheek. ;) ) Until then, I'm limited to research and recommendations, and somewhat to the luck of the draw.

Which is what makes the advice we give to other vapers, new or experienced, so important. I haven't been vaping long, so I'm still learning much more than I can rightly teach. But the help I've gotten from all you folks has been invaluable to me for everything I've vaped with so far.

THANK YOU for that. It makes me realize the importance of giving quality vaping advice to people, especially so for those just switching from smoking to vaping. Remember, when you give out vaping advice, you're not just helping people buy the right products for themselves, you're helping to potentially save their lives, as well. A person who receives and acts on bad advice - or none at all - may very well quit vaping after a couple of weeks and go back to smoking, with potentially disastrous results.

I'm very proud to be part of a place whose members give overwhelmingly good advice to people who come here looking to make their lives better, not to mention longer.

As always, you people rock! :headbang:
 

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Where on earth did you buy this stuff at such horrendous prices and with such cheap and unreliable quality?
I have had no problems with eGos at all. [...] the list above is not - repeat: not - normal.

I'll say...

I tend to be very careful with my gear, even if it makes no economic sense (read: $11 euro battery protected by a $15 case). I have all kinds of mini cases, bags and padded boxes that I use to carry stuff I perceive as fragile with me. As a result, the stuff I use that fails do so out of excessive wear due to bad design, or plain bad units that fail without my help.

It's true that vaping stuff from China wears out phenomenally fast, especially buttons. But even my cheapest eGo batteries are still going strong after months of heavy use.
 

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Here here! I'm one of the rare vapers that appreciates both sides, I use everything from an aspire et-s pre-made atty on an ego 600mah, to a drilled out Tobh Atty with Gplat 22ga on a Geobukseon V2 using a Sony VTC5 2300 mAh, I love the benefits of both "sides" of the fence, unfortunately people make a fence.

It's really easy to figure out what works for you, and then shut off your brain to possibilities, to some people it's like changing their religion I swear lol. I remember when I used to think all atty's worked the same, they just were different sizes and all could use stainless mesh if they wanted, it's not helpful to suggest someone start learning ohm's law, to someone simply wondering if they should get a glass tank that won't crack for their kanger!

Awesome post, it needed to be said, and let's not forget the vapers that like to tell you "why their way is better" in a passive agressive/snooty way, I KNOW you know what I'm talking about, we should all try to walk in eachothers shoes. Heck if your a rebuildable nut like myself, chances are you've been there anyway, and should remember. Unless you just jumped straight into sub-ohming, and parallel coils.
 
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