So Enough Already with the "You must do this" "You must buy that" Attitude

[AndriaD]

Thank you very much! Now I get it! It's a regional difference!

In Europe, a Provari will cost you up to 250 Euro (338,52 USD) if you buy it locally. Or up to 320 Euro for some "premium edition". With approx 180 Euro for the Provari mini. (No, I am not kidding you- see here)

If you buy from the States, you got shipping, customs (19% VAT) - and, if the customs is nasty, they stop it and you have to fight to get it. Plus the warranty issue if you purchase abroad.

Thus, in my home country, a Provari is an absolute luxury item. Like a BMW or Mercedes Benz car in the States.
With the difference that anybody can see that you are driving a BMW or a Mercedes Benz. With the Provari, only experienced vapers can see that you are using an absolute luxury item that has cost you an arm and a leg. The rest of the world's people will have no idea that you are carrying an item for 250 Euro around with you, just to power your atty. And they would not understand, either. On the contrary

If, of course, the Provari is much less expensive in the States, then I can understand why so many people in the States use it. And recommend it.

Thank you very much for clearing up the matter, dear!

It's still $200 even here. Which is TWO THIRDS of what we spend PER MONTH on groceries. So still VERY MUCH a luxury item, for those with disposable income. I can't throw away money.

Andria

 

[Asbestos4004]

Its not $200 unless you buy the full kit. $159. Still good money, but less than most quality mods.

 

[Giraut]

I have cheap mods that I'm happy with. What matters is having stuff that works for you, be it from Provari of from Lucky Golden Shenzen Craptastic Co.

 

[Asbestos4004]

Plus, I don't see the investment for a provari as "disposable income". I see it as a smart purchase. I spent $159 one year ago for my first provari. That was after several ego batteries and a Vamo that the 510 threads wore out on after 1 month of heavy use. Back then, a Vamo was about $60. That provari is still in use everyday, all day. It hasn't has 1 single issue and still performs as it did the day it arrived.
Do mechanics that spend more for good tools use "disposable income"? No, they invest in quality.
Two words that don't go together: Provari and disposable.

 

[Asbestos4004]

@Giraut....I couldn't agree more. I have some cheap stuff that I love! Right now, I'm really liking the hana clone 30w. I'm all for whatever works. I like it all.

 

[Heabob]

I had to have a Provari for proven reliability, while trying to quit analogs, and have a Vamo (with thread saver thingy), for backups, plus
2 puff ego style minis.
Lots of backups, and tanks, coils, batteries, etc., as I was afraid of failure and going back to cigs.

Provari cost was covered by $ saved from buying cigs in about a month, although upfront cost is steep for ppl on a tight budget.

 

[Fir3b1rd]

I had to have a Provari for proven reliability, while trying to quit analogs, and have a Vamo (with thread saver thingy), for backups, plus
2 puff ego style minis.
Lots of backups, and tanks, coils, batteries, etc., as I was afraid of failure and going back to cigs.

Provari cost was covered by $ saved from buying cigs in about a month, although upfront cost is steep for ppl on a tight budget.

I hear ya bro. But; seriously, haters gonna hate.
I used my smoke money to get mine- 2 packs a day at 3.75 a pack-
2 X 3.75-7.50
7.50X30= 225
I stocked up on juice the month before, best thing i could have done for myself.


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[Skeebo]

My friend has a Provari and I have a MVP.

When he let me use his I felt this sense of power come over me. It was like I became rich without any money in my pocket. When he asked me, "Do you see the difference?", I lied to him and said yes.

Skeebo
(who feels guilty for lying to his best friend of 31 years)

 

[Fir3b1rd]

My friend has a Provari and I have a MVP.

When he let me use his I felt this sense of power come over me. It was like I became rich without any money in my pocket. When he asked me, "Do you see the difference?", I lied to him and said yes.

Skeebo
(who feels guilty for lying to his best friend of 31 years)

What is this feeling you speak of?


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[Skeebo]

What is this feeling you speak of?


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I liken it to the part in the original Star Wars movie.... when Luke Skywalker got his first light saber.

I'm torn between the Provari and the Vision Spinner. (joking)

But, I will probably own both one day. Right now I am on one hell of a juice spending spree.

 

[Fir3b1rd]

I liken it to the part in the original Star Wars movie.... when Luke Skywalker got his first light saber.

I'm torn between the Provari and the Vision Spinner. (joking)

But, I will probably own both one day. Right now I am on one hell of a juice spending spree.

I did that for a while; then I found one I really liked; and it was relatively inexpensive. So now I get myself 2 bottles of it a month and DIY everything else. In total it costs me 13 bucks a month on DIY and 16 per 30 ml for the bought juice. so I'm spending a total 45 dollars a month on juice which isn't bad compared I what it once was.


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[Anjaffm]

It's still $200 even here. Which is TWO THIRDS of what we spend PER MONTH on groceries. So still VERY MUCH a luxury item, for those with disposable income. I can't throw away money.

Andria

Oh, so it is 200$ - or 159$ without certain parts, as another poster said - for a Provari, even in the States?

I hear ya, AndriaD. 200$ is a lot of money. Especially for something that I would use only to hold a battery to power my atomizer. With features that I would never use in the first place. Yes, I would very much call that a luxury item. And no, I do not have any intention of spending that kind of money for such a product.

By the way: I am not into expensive designer clothing or expensive brand name sneakers and stuff either. I used to smoke the cigs from the discount store. At savings of over 1 Euro per pack. Pay good money to sport a brand name or a label? No way. I see no reason to spend good money on bragging rights when reasonably priced items give me (personally) the same satisfaction.

Of course, if somebody wants to spend the money to enjoy extra features, that is just fine and it is their decision.
It is just that I, personally, would not use the features. Thus, the money spent on the features would be wasted. Thus, I would spend the money on the bragging rights alone. And that - to me - would be wasteful and unnecessary.

Thankfully, we are all different

 

[Myrany]

Oh, so it is 200$ - or 159$ without certain parts, as another poster said - for a Provari, even in the States?

I hear ya, AndriaD. 200$ is a lot of money. Especially for something that I would use only to hold a battery to power my atomizer. With features that I would never use in the first place. Yes, I would very much call that a luxury item. And no, I do not have any intention of spending that kind of money for such a product.

By the way: I am not into expensive designer clothing or expensive brand name sneakers and stuff either. I used to smoke the cigs from the discount store. At savings of over 1 Euro per pack. Pay good money to sport a brand name or a label? No way. I see no reason to spend good money on bragging rights when reasonably priced items give me (personally) the same satisfaction.

Of course, if somebody wants to spend the money to enjoy extra features, that is just fine and it is their decision.
It is just that I, personally, would not use the features. Thus, the money spent on the features would be wasted. Thus, I would spend the money on the bragging rights alone. And that - to me - would be wasteful and unnecessary.

Thankfully, we are all different

If it does not fit your needs you are perfectly right to say no thanks

For me I didn't look at it as a luxury item. I was looking at it as a long term solution for a regulated device in case of the FDA of doom scenario. The Provari has a very good track record of long term trouble free use and I wanted one solid regulated device. To me it was an investment in my future vaping. Also I do not have a huge budget. I save all my monthly vape budget for several months to be able to afford it.

There is no right or wrong point of view on the Provari. Only right or wrong for that particular individual.

 

[Fir3b1rd]

Plus, I don't see the investment for a provari as "disposable income". I see it as a smart purchase. I spent $159 one year ago for my first provari. That was after several ego batteries and a Vamo that the 510 threads wore out on after 1 month of heavy use. Back then, a Vamo was about $60. That provari is still in use everyday, all day. It hasn't has 1 single issue and still performs as it did the day it arrived.
Do mechanics that spend more for good tools use "disposable income"? No, they invest in quality.
Two words that don't go together: Provari and disposable.

Lol- you made me so curious that I ended up doing the math.
I left out the things like juice - that's a total other issue and has to be purchased or made no matter what hardware you use.
And I left out toppers- I use the same 3 now and have been for months and he clearos I used to buy in bulk so it's a wash at this point.
But it was cool to see.

The stuff that I wasted money on (didn't work for me)

Blu- $93.00- Lasted 1 month
Eroll- &124.00- lasted 2 weeks
Ego- $55.00- lasted 3 days
Ego- $64.00- lasted 2 weeks
Ego- $58.00- lasted 1 day

Total- $394.00
Total days 50 days at 394.00 at a cost of 7.88 a day, that's 38 cents a day more than I was spending on cigs, plus I was still smoking.

Stuff that worked for me:

MVP2.0- $41.00- lasted 5 months(fiancé sill using)
Provari- $170-lasting 5 months going strong
Batts n charger - 2@12.00-1@16-40.00

Total- $251.00
So far that is 150 days at a cost of 1.67 a day.
For a saving of 5.83 cents a day

Well in my experience the MVP and the Provari were a better buy- at least for me.
The first column were all purchased at what was at the time the only brick and mortar near me. I hadn't looked online yet; but was trying to speak to humans to get help. The last two I bought online when I realized the human were idiots.


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[Anjaffm]

The stuff that I wasted money on
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Eroll- &124.00- lasted 2 weeks
Ego- $55.00- lasted 3 days
Ego- $64.00- lasted 2 weeks
Ego- $58.00- lasted 1 day

Where on earth did you buy this stuff at such horrendous prices and with such cheap and unreliable quality?
I have had no problems with eGos at all. They were THE starter item when I started vaping (Nov 2011) - and I still have some of my first eGo batteries, as a matter of fact.

This is by no means normal. Unless your shop was ripping you off big time.
And after the 2nd item that broke after a few days, I would have demanded a refund. Loudly and clearly. And then gone somewhere else.

If you like your Provari, you are welcome to like and enjoy it.
But the list above is not - repeat: not - normal.

 

[Fir3b1rd]

It's not a you have to buy expensive it's a I would rather pay more for 1 item and only buy that 1 item than buy a few less expensive items and pay more over the long term.
But that's just me- looking at this by buying the more expensive and stuff with "features" I spent half the money over 3 times the timeframe.
And it shows itself to be a cost saver; in my experience at least.


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[Fir3b1rd]

Where on earth did you buy this stuff at such horrendous prices and with such cheap and unreliable quality?
I have had no problems with eGos at all. They were THE starter item when I started vaping (Nov 2011) - and I still have some of my first eGo batteries, as a matter of fact.

This is by no means normal. Unless your shop(s) was / were ripping you off big time.

If you like your Provari, you are welcome to like and enjoy it.
But the list above is not - repeat: not - normal.

As I said in my post- I had not looked or shopped online yet, I was new to vaping, I had no clue what I was doing, we only had one shop in the area at the time.

As for your statement
"If you like your Provari, you are welcome to like and enjoy it."

Are you giving me your permission to
Enjoy the item I spent my money on? Thank you I will and do.

It's almost starting to seem like you're hating on on my choices because i chose to spend my money on a more expensive device than what you do. Wouldn't that be contradictory to your point of "not hating" on people because they don't want to spend much money on items? It works both ways. The fact that I had to lay out the math in my experience only to get your permission as a response is really kind of baffling. "It doesn't matter what you use, so long as your happy. Oh why would you use THAT!?" Is how it's coming across.


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[Myrany]

As I said in my post- I had not looked or shopped online yet, I was new to vaping, I had no
Clue what I was doing, we only had one shop in the area at the time.

As for your statement
"If you like your Provari, you are welcome to like and enjoy it."

Are you giving me your permission to
Enjoy the item I spent my money on? Thank you I will and do.

It's almost starting to seem like you're hating on on my choices because i chose to spend my money on a more expensive device than what you do. Wouldn't that be contradictory to your point of "not hating" on people because they don't want to spend much money on items? It works both ways. The fact that I had to lay out the math in my experience only to get your permission as a response is really kind of baffling. "It doesn't matter what you use, so long as your happy. Oh why would you use THAT!?" Is how it's coming across.


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Tony I really do not think that is how she meant it. Even though her English is beyond remarkable please take into account it is not her first language. Add to that being from another country where the wording of things might be perfectly polite and acceptable whereas here it might come of harsher than intended.

In Short I am willing to cut a little slack particularly with someone I see trying to be very non judgmental in the vast majority of her posts on ECF that I have read.

 

[Fir3b1rd]

Tony I really do not think that is how she meant it. Even though her English is beyond remarkable please take into account it is not her first language. Add to that being from another country where the wording of things might be perfectly polite and acceptable whereas here it might come of harsher than intended.

In Short I am willing to cut a little slack particularly with someone I see trying to be very non judgmental in the vast majority of her posts on ECF that I have read.

I'll take your word for it as I haven't read her lists outside of this thread; so I can only take them for face value. That and maybe my caffeine level is a tad high right now. It just seemed to be a bit; well, I'll stop there.


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[Myrany]

I'll take your word for it as I haven't read her lists outside of this thread; so I can only take them for face value. That and maybe my caffeine level is a tad high right now. It just seemed to be a bit; well, I'll stop there.


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I am a little old southern lady which means I knew how to put someone in their place before I was 20 without ever saying anything impolite You are on the gulf you know what I am talking about.

I have also been to Germany. I can assure you it is a very different thing. The whole way things are phrased is very different and comes out a bit more abrupt than a Southerner is used to. I have long suspected it is a combination of different sentence structures in the language with a bit of cultural differences thrown in for good measure.

Mind you the only German I learned to speak on that trip was from our Austrian bus driver and not fit for polite company.