So Enough Already with the "You must do this" "You must buy that" Attitude

[Myrany]

I think people are just referring to those who get dangerously addicted to such games.
If that's not you, which it clearly seems not to be, then it's not you they are talking about.

Much like vapers are attacked because it looks like smoking, gamers are attacked because of the perception that they are all no life, neck beard, basement dwellers. It gets very old very quickly.

I won't hide my vaping nor will I hide my gaming. "Everything in moderation" are words to live by.

 

[Fir3b1rd]

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[AndriaD]

And then there are people like me who can play WoW and it does NOT control their lives. FOr me it really is a way to interact with distant family that non of us could afford to visit as much as we like.

Yikes I feel under attack because I spend 2 hours a night playing a video game. Everyone has hobbies or reads or watches TV or something they do regularly for a couple of hours. Lay off already.

I think it's cool; I used to threaten to get into it and embarrass my son royally. I spend sometimes 3 hrs a night watching thrillers and cop shows on TV -- I like those kind of books, too!

When the PC BBS thing first got started, there were a lot of text-based games, and I played a lot of those -- actually my typing improved drastically, playing trivia and trying to get the answer in, before anyone else.

Play on! It's gotta be more fun than just "how are you?" "I'm fine, how are you?" on the telephone!

Andria

 

[Anjaffm]

And what exactly should be wrong with internet gaming, in a recreational manner?

I know a young couple, they both play WOW, each on their own computer, and they play together. They have a ball, and it is definitely more exciting than watching crap and nonsense on TV.

I used to play an online game, myself, for over 3 years. Rose to a high level, led a group for 2 years, had a ball - especially with the lovely community. Talked to people from all over the world, learned all about time zones, quite quickly (now that is useful for work as well!), spoke English, picked up a lot of nice expressions. And yes, that was an almost nightly pastime. Like going to your favorite pub and playing cards with your buddies. Except for the fact that with forced mobility (moving to where the jobs are) there is no such thing as your neighborhood pub where the same people meet, every day. Now, the same people meet online. Wherever they live.

Well, the game deteriorated. Got too boring, too repetitive and much too expensive. So I closed down the group and left the game. But I do look back with a smile to the good times. With people from all over the world. Boy, did we have a ball

Online gaming is like everything else: When done in moderation, it can be great fun and quite harmless. And it sure beats staring at a TV screen or blowing a lot of money going out on the town all the time.

 

[Fir3b1rd]

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[Trypno]

I had my palm read once while taking Tequila shots.. She said she never seen one like it, but only heard about people like me. This is my first, and only life. My friend got something cool... like taking a cannon blast to the chest during the Civil War. Oh well, you can't win them all.

Skeebo

I wonder if she makes that stuff up on the spot, and how she keeps a straight face. Or maybe she takes 'cid before each session and she really can see your soul, making you a singularity in time. OHH Whatever shall you do?!

 

[glointhedark]

My daughter (36) just got into WoW because the guy she is seeing plays and got her started. Now they WoW together on work nights when they can't get together. She is having fun doing it, with and without the boyfriend. I'll have to ask her about the turtle. It does not interfere with work for either of them, and it's a nice way to wind down from a rough day.

 

[Skeebo]

I wonder if she makes that stuff up on the spot, and how she keeps a straight face. Or maybe she takes 'cid before each session and she really can see your soul, making you a singularity in time. OHH Whatever shall you do?!

I'll take her word for it (wink). It makes all those mistakes earlier in life make more sense....

And just to prove gaming ain't just for the younger folk here's me getting down online (warning: extreme violence):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHhzSZezhQU

 

[optsmk]

Ok, so here is a "Must do" that no one can argue. You must go to your local B&M and try stuff. There you will really know if you like something. From all the years I have been on this board, it's obvious that everyone's taste's are different and what one person thinks is the best, another person will think it's the worst. So go play and have fun with everything. If you don't find it at one shop, then go to another. If you think it's too expensive then just go home and order it online. You won't regret it.

 

[Myrany]

Ok, so here is a "Must do" that no one can argue. You must go to your local B&M and try stuff. There you will really know if you like something. From all the years I have been on this board, it's obvious that everyone's taste's are different and what one person thinks is the best, another person will think it's the worst. So go play and have fun with everything. If you don't find it at one shop, then go to another. If you think it's too expensive then just go home and order it online. You won't regret it.

Assuming you HAVE a local b& M

Here we have one small display case in the local tatoo parlor and a VAMO + Carto tank is Miles above them. hehe My little old lady self kinda blew their minds when I walked in with a REO

 

[optsmk]

Assuming you HAVE a local b& M

Here we have one small display case in the local tatoo parlor and a VAMO + Carto tank is Miles above them. hehe My little old lady self kinda blew their minds when I walked in with a REO

You make a good point with B&M's not being everywhere. But if you only have one or even worse if you dont have any, just be patient. they will get there. I remeber when there weren't any. then vape stuff started showing up in tobacco and head shops. Then shops catering to only vape stuff. In fact there are so many vape shops now that the tobacco and head shops are really starting to segment off a good portion of their shops just for vape gear. They are coming everywhere and they can't be stopped.

 

[AndriaD]

Assuming you HAVE a local b& M

Here we have one small display case in the local tatoo parlor and a VAMO + Carto tank is Miles above them. hehe My little old lady self kinda blew their minds when I walked in with a REO

I didn't get many looks in public with my vv3+T3S, but now, with a Sigelei in telescopic mode and a kayfun on top, THAT gets some attention! I vape away happily, on my way in or out of the store, and when they see me blowing out vapor, they kinda get the idea, nod, and go about their business. I guess a lot of folks have heard of them, but never actually seen them in use -- at least, not the "mod" kind.

Andria

EDIT: Everytime I use that "mod" word, I feel like I'm having a 60's flashback. Carnaby Street, anyone?

 

[MissyG]

I've just got to add this... I quit a couple months before even finding this site, and I lurked for months after (mainly because I could easily find multiple answers to whatever questions I had (although searching this forum isn't real easy). However, I have only seen a few instances of the "You must" or "you have to" comments, except in regards to safety, in which case I take the stance "Preach it!!" I personally would hate to find out that someone tried something I suggested simply because I assumed that they would be in the "know"... With that said, there are some truly brilliant people in the forum, without whom I would have been frustrated beyond belief...

In My Opinion... This place is by far, the best place to seek advice and gain knowledge that I have come across.

And to all of you lurkers out there... You MUST join up and intro yourself, besides, you might share something that no one has thought up yet, and we all need new ways to spend our hard earned money.

Have a Nice Day! and please, VAPE ON!!!

I agree I have been showered with a lot of kindness. I am disabled and my vaping budget is very low. Still saving little by little for my dream device (Vapor Shark DNA 30) but I have received gifts from several people to keep me going until I can get it,

 

[Orobas]

Oh, I agree wholeheartedly, OP. I quit smoking using a humble kgo kit with cartomizers. Would pick up a five pack of cartos to go with my five bottles of 15ml from ECB every couple of weeks and I was golden. I might still be happy with that setup, if the impending FDApocalypse hadn't lit a fire under my ....

Still, I've loathed the JUST GET A PROVARI people since like, the second day I joined ECF.

 

[faitaccompli]

Just playing Devil's Advocate, here. But maybe they are just trying to help. I quit on eGos, and I have since abandoned them for the superior mechs / RBAs. If I had tried out a mech in the beginning, I wouldn't have spent a dime on eGo batteries and evod tanks, etc... Why? Because, to be frank, the vape is superior on the mech and RBA. I am not saying everyone HAS to go get one. And there are other reasons for people using the kits that they do, and I won't question or insult that. But what I will say is that had I tried out a mech first, I wouldn't have spent time and money on eGos. Perhaps other users, like myself, that spent time and money wandering around in the dark are just trying to save new people a few steps and a few bucks?

Not that it really matters. Vape what you want, and who cares what anyone else thinks about it?? I don't need anyone's permission or acceptance or approval. Especially with regards to something so silly as what device I use. Does it matter? All of us have cast off the tar covered chains of Tobacco. That is what counts. Why care what someone uses and why care if someone else cares about what someone else uses?

 

[Fir3b1rd]

The OP does have a valid a point and it's statements like: " a superior device," "a superior vape," or "the best(insert device or type of device),"
I will preempt the rest of my statement by saying: I am on disability, and am currently unemployed, I have been unemployed for 3 years due to a near fatal accident and am finally able to start looking to get my life back.
That out in the open, those blanket statements can easily make someone without the ability to purchase "more experience vaping equipment to feel; well, inferior. It's the absence, of the interjection of, "in my opinion," or "I think." Granted I have been lucky enough to budget, via redirecting my previous cig budget; and, plan in advance to purchase a brand new provari. However, that did involve a certain degree of creative accounting and forethought. I did so only after NOT being satisfied with the vape from blus, erolls, and three different types of ego's. I was able to finally quit with an MVP2 and aerotank. The provari was my gift to myself, for quitting.
Those of us that prefer what by most are considered the midrange, or higher end classification of APVs, need to keep in mind that it is; at its root, the same thing as an ego or cigalike. It's an electronic vaporizer that is used as a delivery system for nicotine. Just because it cost more, that does not make it,"better." It's only better to us, in our OPINION.
I only vape so that I won't smoke.
I happen to enjoy it, I happen too like the hobby aspect of it. I happen to enjoy the engineering and electronic component of it. Not everyone does. In fact the average every day vapor only vapes because they don't want to smoke.
We need to keep in mind those small phrases that make a huge difference- "in my opinion."
There is not much in life that's absolute; only death and taxes. The best part of vaping is the fact that there are hundreds of different types of vaporizers out there allowing everyone to get what they WANT not what you or I THINK is the best. A very good friend of mine has been using the same ego and evidence for three years and she has no intent or desire to use anything else. She is a very wealthy person and has tried several difference APVs over the last three years and uses what is the BEST to her.


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[exnihilo]

I guess my question would be, why care? Ignore the non-helpful posts, absorb the helpful posts, move on. Works the same as in real life; some folks are helpful, some are not - with the added bonus that it's even easier to ignore folks in cyberland.

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[chellemmm]

Just playing Devil's Advocate, here. But maybe they are just trying to help. I quit on eGos, and I have since abandoned them for the superior mechs / RBAs. If I had tried out a mech in the beginning, I wouldn't have spent a dime on eGo batteries and evod tanks, etc... Why? Because, to be frank, the vape is superior on the mech and RBA. I am not saying everyone HAS to go get one. And there are other reasons for people using the kits that they do, and I won't question or insult that. But what I will say is that had I tried out a mech first, I wouldn't have spent time and money on eGos. Perhaps other users, like myself, that spent time and money wandering around in the dark are just trying to save new people a few steps and a few bucks?

Not that it really matters. Vape what you want, and who cares what anyone else thinks about it?? I don't need anyone's permission or acceptance or approval. Especially with regards to something so silly as what device I use. Does it matter? All of us have cast off the tar covered chains of Tobacco. That is what counts. Why care what someone uses and why care if someone else cares about what someone else uses?

These types of words are what some people object. How do you know you would have quit if you jumped straight into your "superior" devices? You may have been so overwhelmed by the mechanics of your "superior" vape that you would not have continued to vape out of confusion and frustration. Some people are happy with what they have, some seek other routes. None is correct.

I "curse" Blus, but in reality, I quit smoking because of them. I no longer use Blu, but I am grateful that they opened my eyes and showed me what could be possible.

 

[faitaccompli]

These types of words are what some people object. How do you know you would have quit if you jumped straight into your "superior" devices? You may have been so overwhelmed by the mechanics of your "superior" vape that you would not have continued to vape out of confusion and frustration. Some people are happy with what they have, some seek other routes. None is correct.

I "curse" Blus, but in reality, I quit smoking because of them. I no longer use Blu, but I am grateful that they opened my eyes and showed me what could be possible.

1) Devil's advocate
2) Read just below your highlights. I explicitly stated that there are reasons for using the other kits.

To answer you: how do I know? Because I know me. I was not even remotely overwhelmed by any of this stuff. Then again, I am a network and voice engineer by trade. If I can't figure out how to insert a battery and wrap a coil... then I need a new profession. I never said that one is correct and one is not. However, one cannot argue that the vapor production of a mech and RBA is not superior compared to eGo or cigalikes. It isn't even a competition. The flavor is better (and tailorable to preferences) as is the production. It IS a superior vape. That isn't to say that it is FOR everyone, or that the other devices won't get the job done.

Also - the whole last paragraph of my post that you quoted. The only recommendation that I have made on this forum was for a newb to look at an MVP and protank. Like I said, Devil's advocate. (what I meant by "like myself" was to say other users that wish they jumped straight to mechs and rbas... I just re-read that and saw how it could be easily misinterpreted).

 

[Fir3b1rd]

1) Devil's advocate
2) Read just below your highlights. I explicitly stated that there are reasons for using the other kits.

To answer you: how do I know? Because I know me. I was not even remotely overwhelmed by any of this stuff. Then again, I am a network and voice engineer by trade. If I can't figure out how to insert a battery and wrap a coil... then I need a new profession. I never said that one is correct and one is not. However, one cannot argue that the vapor production of a mech and RBA is not superior compared to eGo or cigalikes. It isn't even a competition. The flavor is better (and tailorable to preferences) as is the production. It IS a superior vape. That isn't to say that it is FOR everyone, or that the other devices won't get the job done.

Also - the whole last paragraph of my post that you quoted. The only recommendation that I have made on this forum was for a newb to look at an MVP and protank. Like I said, Devil's advocate. (what I meant by "like myself" was to say other users that wish they jumped straight to mechs and rbas... I just re-read that and saw how it could be easily misinterpreted).

Are we whipping out credentials before we recommend equipment to new people now?

What do we suggest the mail carrier buy? Or the tree cutter? Or the pool boy? He's around water allot you know.


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