So Enough Already with the "You must do this" "You must buy that" Attitude

[jensy]

I must be going in to all the wrong threads because I am not running into this at all . Sometimes I think when writing on the internet because it lacks certain emotion in dialect things may come accross wrong . ECF and the people here really rock in my opinion.

 

[Anjaffm]

I did not want to get into rebuilding either. Make it worse I used to TEACH High School math, chemistry and physics. LOL

I did it purely because of fear of the impending FDA of doom. Somewhere along the way I discovered that the flavor and vapor were better and it was costing me less money. Once I got everything coiled the maintenance got simple and quick just a dry burn and change of wicking (leave the coil alone). So it actually takes me less time now and a single coil can keep going for months in my drippers.

I totally respect that some people do not want to do it or cannot do it. They have the absolute right to make the choice for themselves. For those that want to learn however I am more than willing to put in however much time is needed to help them succeed.

Oh, you mean this.. uhm..micro coil (?) where you can leave in the coil and just change the wick? So you do not have to put the little wire under the little screws all the time? Now that sounds like an idea. Even for a blonde like me

Thank you very much for your offer, dear, I will definitely take you up on it!

I think I have been hanging around with the wrong people then - those who say they love to do coils and stuff and do it every few days One lady even told me that she does it every evening

I am glad this subject came up. And thank you for saying that there is an easier way. Those very techy high-tech enthusiasts scare the living daylights out of me *blushes*

 

[Myrany]

Oh, you mean this.. uhm..micro coil (?) where you can leave in the coil and just change the wick? So you do not have to put the little wire under the little screws all the time? Now that sounds like an idea. Even for a blonde like me

Thank you very much for your offer, dear, I will definitely take you up on it!

I think I have been hanging around with the wrong people then - those who say they love to do coils and stuff and do it every few days One lady even told me that she does it every evening

I am glad this subject came up. And thank you for saying that there is an easier way. Those very techy high-tech enthusiasts scare the living daylights out of me *blushes*

Yep that is exactly what I do

 

[Anjaffm]

Yep that is exactly what I do

Wow! Neat! That sounds great - and not too much of a hassle either. Even for a non-technically-minded blonde

Which brings us back to the subject of the thread:

See how easy it is to frighten people off by overwhelming them with too much technical stuff which they absolutely "have to" do? Case in point here - I have been vaping for over 2.5 years now. And all the RDA threads - also in my home forum - frightened me off completely with all the technical jargon and the high-tech people talking about high-tech things in high-tech language. Up to - precisely - today

Case in point
And thank you very much, dears, for taking the time to explain to an absolute non-technically-minded blonde (with glasses ) that there is an easier way that even she could get the hang of I most certainly appreciate it! Thank you!

 

[Ryedan]

Oh, you mean this.. uhm..micro coil (?) where you can leave in the coil and just change the wick? So you do not have to put the little wire under the little screws all the time? Now that sounds like an idea.

Coils really last quite a while Anja. Once I have a setup I like I usually leave the coils in until they break when I dry burn and re-wick them. Using thicker, lower resistance wire I've got up to around 200 ml through a coil before it broke. I've just stared using slightly thinner wire and I don't have a feel for that yet, but I've got half a dozen re-wicks on it now and it's still going strong .

You also don't have to make the small micro coils. I've started playing around with bigger coils and they work surprisingly well too.

With the support you've already got and the rest of us here who are also ready to help, I don't think you need to worry about going back to smoking because of this hurdle. You might never like doing it, but I think you're going to be just fine. With the alternative of going back to smoking, well, that gives us all a bit more incentive to venture out of our comfort zones.

 

[Myrany]

Coils really last quite a while Anja. Once I have a setup I like I usually leave the coils in until they break when I dry burn and re-wick them. Using thicker, lower resistance wire I've got up to around 200 ml through a coil before it broke. I've just stared using slightly thinner wire and I don't have a feel for that yet, but I've got half a dozen re-wicks on it now and it's still going strong .

You also don't have to make the small micro coils. I've started playing around with bigger coils and they work surprisingly well too.

I think with the support you've already got and the rest of us here who are also ready to help, I don't think you need to worry about going back to smoking because of this hurdle. You might never like doing it, but I think you're going to be just fine. With the alternative of going back to smoking, well, that gives us all a bit more incentive to venture out of our comfort zones.

Your first part read strangely to me as the opposite of what I think you intended my friend. I think what you were getting at is the leave the coil in place and just dryburn/rewick it works for many types of coils and not JUST micro coils. That is perfectly true.

 

[Ryedan]

Your first part read strangely to me as the opposite of what I think you intended my friend. I think what you were getting at is the leave the coil in place and just dryburn/rewick it works for many types of coils and not JUST micro coils. That is perfectly true.

You are absolutely correct Myrany and thanks for pointing it out . I knew exactly what I meant (and luckily so did you), but sometimes it doesn't come out the way I intended it to.

 

[Anjaffm]

Thank you, dears

And I think I was the one who started on "micro coils". I had kind of understood that these are the ones that you do not have to re-do all the time. Sorry, dears, I am a complete noob to this, including the terminology. I can never make heads or tails of the high-tech threads and all the high-tech language

And I most certainly appreciate that the subject came up and that I was able to learn so much from such nice, experienced vapers who took the time to explain the subject to a blonde. The way this blonde can understand Thank you!

Case in point for the subject of this thread:
Overwhelm people (like me in the high-tech threads with the high-tech people), and they will turn away.
Take the time to speak to them at their level, and they will listen gladly and be willing to learn.

Thank you

 

[chellemmm]

Can someone point me to a good thread on re-wicking? I have a LOT of burned wicks/ok coils being saved and I want to try the re-wicking thing first. TYIA!!

 

[Myrany]

Can someone point me to a good thread on re-wicking? I have a LOT of burned wicks/ok coils being saved and I want to try the re-wicking thing first. TYIA!!

Chelle that link I sent you the other day on Micro coils shows how to thread cotton through a coil. If you can get the silica out of your existing coils without distorting them too much you can just thread through some cotton as wicking.

 

[AndriaD]

These types of words are what some people object. How do you know you would have quit if you jumped straight into your "superior" devices? You may have been so overwhelmed by the mechanics of your "superior" vape that you would not have continued to vape out of confusion and frustration. Some people are happy with what they have, some seek other routes. None is correct.

I agree with this mainly because I am absolutely perplexed by how they can call something "superior" when it has absolutely zero safety margin -- if anything goes wrong with that powerful battery, well there went their face, splattered all over the wall. Granted it might not be THAT extreme, but there will be blood or burns, I'd almost bet on it. I'm just not going to use that powerful a battery, that near my face, which has ZERO safety margin; it's absolutely NOT "superior", even if they're crazy or fool-hardy enough to use it.

I personally consider kayfuns (and their various clones) superior to any tanks I've used before, but I recognize that with the fact that the user has to build their own coils for them, others may not feel that way at all. Cartotanks work great, and until I tried kayfuns, I loved them, and they are also superior to any of the small BCC tanks I used -- but others may not care for them, for whatever reason. "Superior" really does need, as you pointed out, to be qualified with the "in my experience" or "in my opinion" to really mean anything at all.

I "curse" Blus, but in reality, I quit smoking because of them. I no longer use Blu, but I am grateful that they opened my eyes and showed me what could be possible.

I curse Blu's because the one and only puff I ever took off one nearly made me gag, it's so sweet and 'pipe tobacco' tasting. But they're why, when I was determined on a 'cigalike' form factor, I got an eRoll instead -- I could choose my own flavor, pipe tobacco need not apply, since pipes weren't what I smoked. eRolls were what got me to quit, but vv/vw devices are what keeps me quit -- and that variability is just another reason why I can't fathom why some folks think mechs are "superior" -- all they do is look pretty and hold batteries!

Andria

 

[AndriaD]

I can see both sides of this, I was one of those people with arthritic shaky hands who was positive that I could never ever rebuild. I said I was not interested but after a few months of reading posts from people who were trying to help, not badger, someone new to rebuilding I began to think maybe I could after all. Rebuilding is scary when you have never done it but it would be a shame for someone like me to give up and not ever mention it to them again.

It would be wise for someone with hand and vision issues to keep an open mind because I know some people with serious issues who have found out that they really can do it, including myself. The people who encouraged me to try were doing just that, encouraging and at the same time offering helpful tips to make it easier to do, like a simple jig that was sent free of charge with several already made coils and really easy picture step by step instructions. There are also other people who will go out of their way to make coils for others who can't or are afraid to try, who only charge postage.

I'm not saying that there aren't people who really can't make a coil but I am saying that there are good people who are more than happy to help in that circumstance for someone who really would like to be able to use an RDA or RBA.

I thought I knew my own hands and their limitations, but I was wrong, I'm glad that there were really nice people to encourage me to try.

This is so absolutely true! With me it's not so much my hands, as the fact that I'm clumsy as a 3 legged table, and really can't see much at all that's closer to me than one foot. I fixed the vision problem, mostly, by getting several magnifying devices that help immensely. I got a vise to hold the things I'm working on, so my clumsiness is less of an issue, but me building/attaching coils is still somewhat like a keystone kops movie. But somehow I manage, and I'm glad I overcame my initial terror to learn how to do it; it's improved my vaping experience immensely!

Andria

 

[AndriaD]

Oh, you mean this.. uhm..micro coil (?) where you can leave in the coil and just change the wick? So you do not have to put the little wire under the little screws all the time? Now that sounds like an idea. Even for a blonde like me

Thank you very much for your offer, dear, I will definitely take you up on it!

I think I have been hanging around with the wrong people then - those who say they love to do coils and stuff and do it every few days One lady even told me that she does it every evening

I am glad this subject came up. And thank you for saying that there is an easier way. Those very techy high-tech enthusiasts scare the living daylights out of me *blushes*

I agree, all those quad nano superduper fog machine things... sheesh! I mainly started the rebuilding out of pure curiosity, everybody's always hollering about it, it's so great, so awesome, etc... and I was definitely not very happy with the Kanger tanks I was using... so I wanted to try rebuilding for myself, and it really does make a great difference in the vape. And I love being more self-sufficient, needing only some wire and some cotton to have a perfectly functioning atty. The only reason I rebuild as often as I do is that I'm still learning, trying to improve; but actually most of the coils I'm doing now, I could probably leave alone for months, and just put a new wick in, every 3-5 days or so -- the wicking is actually a great deal more challenging than just wrapping some wire around a drillbit and attaching it to some screws -- though that attachment process is why I need a vise, else it REALLY DOES look like some kind of slapstick movie, me dropping crap, knocking crap over, cursing like a sailor as the head skitters away from me... My husband would find it hilarious if all my screaming didn't alarm the cat so much.

Andria

 

[Fir3b1rd]

I agree, all those quad nano superduper fog machine things... sheesh! I mainly started the rebuilding out of pure curiosity, everybody's always hollering about it, it's so great, so awesome, etc... and I was definitely not very happy with the Kanger tanks I was using... so I wanted to try rebuilding for myself, and it really does make a great difference in the vape. And I love being more self-sufficient, needing only some wire and some cotton to have a perfectly functioning atty. The only reason I rebuild as often as I do is that I'm still learning, trying to improve; but actually most of the coils I'm doing now, I could probably leave alone for months, and just put a new wick in, every 3-5 days or so -- the wicking is actually a great deal more challenging than just wrapping some wire around a drillbit and attaching it to some screws -- though that attachment process is why I need a vise, else it REALLY DOES look like some kind of slapstick movie, me dropping crap, knocking crap over, cursing like a sailor as the head skitters away from me... My husband would find it hilarious if all my screaming didn't alarm the cat so much.

Andria

Do you leave the coil on the drill bit while you're attaching it?
I took a wire hanger and cut 6 inch sections and use the hanger piece to hold it in place. It gives me more leverage and I can use the hanger and the atty to hold each other in place, hope that's makes sense.
As for the wick; if you're using cotton- I find it significantly easier to dampen the ends ever so slightly to compress them and then it's just of matter of threading it through like fishing line on a hook.


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[AndriaD]

Do you leave the coil on the drill bit while you're attaching it?
I took a wire hanger and cut 6 inch sections and use the hanger piece to hold it in place. It gives me more leverage and I can use the hanger and the atty to hold each other in place, hope that's makes sense.
As for the wick; if you're using cotton- I find it significantly easier to dampen the ends ever so slightly to compress them and then it's just of matter of threading it through like fishing line on a hook.

Sure I leave the drillbit, it probably wouldn't be possible at all without it -- at least not for me. The act of threading the cotton is not difficult at all with a twisted end... it's the "right" quantity of cotton that's so challenging to figure out, and it does vary, depending on the diameter of the coil -- I usually go for a fairly wide diameter because I don't get so much dry-hit nonsense if I stay with a 7/64 drillbit -- also it's a lot easier to SEE! I'm just clumsy, always have been, and it appears I always will be. It's really just a matter of familiarity and experience -- you ought to see me slice potatoes; my husband sometimes stands and watches me, amazed that a person so clumsy could handle a sharp knife so dexterously. And that's exactly why sometimes I'll get rid of a coil that works fine, to do another and improve my physical skill -- the more I do it, the better I'll do it, and the easier it will be -- just like slicing potatoes.

Andria

 

[Fir3b1rd]

I hear ya! I
With my kfuns - the only thing I use cotton in- it seems to work best with a lot less cotton than I would think. - there is no way to say that where it makes sense.. Lol
- i unroll the cotton ball and take 1/4 of it's with and then twist that into almost a piece of yarn, dampen the edge and thread it through. Then I'll lay a small portion over the top of the coil.
Since cotton expands as it moistens it doesn't take a thick piece to wick well.
-at least that's what I'm finding.




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[Myrany]

I thread the cotton through then hold the ends and give it a tiny tug back and forth. It should move easily with only the tiniest bit of resistance through the coil. After awhile you get a "feel" for what it should be.

 

[CKCalmer]

I had my palm read once while taking Tequila shots.. She said she never seen one like it, but only heard about people like me. This is my first, and only life.

Now that's a lot of pressure. For all subsequent lives, the one you're living right now will forever be the one that "started it all" when it comes to the history of your spirit.

Just think of the things your later "versions" will be blamin' on you...

"That darn Skeebo! It's all his fault that I have to deal with ___________!" (< fill in blank with any particular burden)





P.S. - Wow, this thread really morphed, didn't it? It started being about the attitude of experienced vapers towards new vapers here and elsewhere, and ended up with two disparate branches - one about building and re-wicking coils, and the other about the burden of reincarnation. (Only one of those is my fault, though.)

 

[Claudia P]

Getting the right amount of cotton consistently is a challenge for me too, I've recently stopped using regular cotton and gone to Peaches and Cream yarn. This is working very nicely for me, pull off two of the 4 strands, twist and insert, the only variable is the length.

I know everyone is raving about Ko Gen Doh but for now the P&C is working so well I'm going to stick with that for a while.

Sure I leave the drillbit, it probably wouldn't be possible at all without it -- at least not for me. The act of threading the cotton is not difficult at all with a twisted end... it's the "right" quantity of cotton that's so challenging to figure out, and it does vary, depending on the diameter of the coil -- I usually go for a fairly wide diameter because I don't get so much dry-hit nonsense if I stay with a 7/64 drillbit -- also it's a lot easier to SEE! I'm just clumsy, always have been, and it appears I always will be. It's really just a matter of familiarity and experience -- you ought to see me slice potatoes; my husband sometimes stands and watches me, amazed that a person so clumsy could handle a sharp knife so dexterously. And that's exactly why sometimes I'll get rid of a coil that works fine, to do another and improve my physical skill -- the more I do it, the better I'll do it, and the easier it will be -- just like slicing potatoes.

Andria

 

[Fir3b1rd]

Getting the right amount of cotton consistently is a challenge for me too, I've recently stopped using regular cotton and gone to Peaches and Cream yarn. This is working very nicely for me, pull off two of the 4 strands, twist and insert, the only variable is the length.

I know everyone is raving about Ko Gen Doh but for now the P&C is working so well I'm going to stick with that for a while.

I'm a simple person, I see the raving about the Tai Kwan Do cotton and granted its 10 dollars for a year supply; but, just plain ole cotton was 99cents for a year supply. So, im ok with that.
Then again I also prefer just plain old coffee and cores light.
All that fancy stuff is just way above my my head. If I can't pronounce it I don't want to consume it-lol
That and i had a hard time deciding between silica or cotton. Then to find out there's more than one type of cotton- my head will explode- hahaha
I do agree with the cotton, it's trial and error and eventually you just kind of get to a point that you instinctively know how much to grab. Getting to that point, at least for me, was allot of dry hits, nasty taste and waste of juice. I went to using the least expensive juice I could find till I got the wicking down.


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