So this guy at my local B&M...

[edyle]

I stopped in to one of the local vape shops near me, trying to get my kayfun to work, asking for advice. I hadn't really been able to get it above 13 watts at the time, and voiced this. The manager there told me that they're running Kayfuns at 70 watts (SEVENTY WATTS) because they're using the higher amp batteries in their mechs.

I started to say that the 30 amp rating of his batteries have nothing to do with the amount of power being delivered, and that it's a factor of the ohms of the build and the volts of a fresh battery to get you to your wattage output, but I stopped because I wasn't in the mood for a debate, and usually don't like getting into these discussions, especially because the way he said it made me think that he BELIEVED it with every fiber of his being.

Because volts, watts and ohms are 3 parts of an equation right? and in this case, amps are not a factor correct?

I mean, this guy knows what he's doing, he's an experienced rebuilder and has a host of mechs, drippers and RBA's and has been doing this way longer than me. I don't know what planet he thinks he's on where he's delivering 70 watts to a Kayfun.

Or am I just missing something? Because I don't think I am

volts watts and ohms are 3 parts of a equation, yes;
but the real thing is temperature.
temperature can be related to the kanthal current density. not the current alone; and not some other alloy.
by current density i mean the current divided by the crossectional area;
the crossectional area relates to the wire gauge.

 

[Ms82082]

I'm running at a steady 8 on tanks, higher tastes burnt.


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Sounds like some pretty crappy tank and or coils..... I run fogger v4 at 34 watts and it's perfect! better flavor than most of my drippers

 

[brickfollett]

Lets not get super duper technical here guys, I mean you get the picture right? 70 watts on a Kayfun isn't possible. However, 34 watts on a Fogger V4 is EXTREMELY impressive. I haven't taken mine beyond 20 I don't think, All in the build I suppose

 

[Froth]

Lets not get super duper technical here guys, I mean you get the picture right? 70 watts on a Kayfun isn't possible.

If you add the word "stock" before Kayfun then I could agree, but I have personally seen a highly modified deck on an R91 running very very well at .32 ohms, no dry hitting or burning and I have no doubt it could be built to ~.25 to achieve 70 watts and still work. There are a ton of extremely smart capable people out there making crazy things possible with certain equipment.

 

[rusirius]

Lets not get super duper technical here guys, I mean you get the picture right? 70 watts on a Kayfun isn't possible. However, 34 watts on a Fogger V4 is EXTREMELY impressive. I haven't taken mine beyond 20 I don't think, All in the build I suppose

The fogger is definitely capable of running 35 watts or so, and I've seen others that can get then running higher... You're absolutely right, it's all about the build... The fogger is very "sensitive" to it's build... How much wick, how they interact with the juice channels, etc... A slight difference in the build/wicking can make a fogger go from "this is crap and I can't even get 10 watts on it" to "OMG this is awesome I can push 35 watts easy"

 

[DaveP]

Every conversation such as this one requires some realistic discussion about PG and VG health hazards. Neither is completely safe. Breathing plain old air is best for your lungs. Blowing clouds is something that just might take its toll over time.

Even stage and movie set workers have EPA limits on exposure time with fog machines. Those limits are there to prevent respiratory irritation. We all know that irritation leads to more serious lung ailments.

No one wants to hear that, but it's medical truth. Most of us started vaping to recreate vapor in the amounts produced by a cigarette. Now, some are trying to emulate a fog machine.

http://www.uic.edu/sph/glakes/harts1/HARTS_library/smokefog.txt

Fog and smoke effects are created by generating a fine
mist, a dispersion of very small particles, or an actual smoke by
burning organic materials. All smokes and fogs are easily
inhaled. Some chemicals used to generate the smoke or fog are
toxic; however even chemicals that are not appreciably toxic can
be irritating to the lungs. In particular, high risk groups such
as people with asthma or other respiratory problems, children, or
elderly, and people having to do deep breathing (e.g a musician
playing a wind instrument or a singer) might be more susceptible
to inhalation of any material.

It is often difficult to obtain information on many of
these products, even from Material Safety Data Sheets (MSDSs),
because many manufacturers claim that the compositions are trade
secrets. Manufacturers of these products often make extravagant
claims as to safety. For example, many products state that the
chemicals used have been approved by the Food and Drug
Administration (FDA) for ingestion. However, the fact that it
might be safe by ingestion does not mean it is necessarily safe
by inhalation.

 

[tj99959]

Well my KayFun tastes just right (for me) at 9 watts. So my response to the 70 watts remark would have been on the lines of "sure you are". (or maybe the long form of "BS")

If I wanted lots of heat and a huge cloud, I wouldn't use a KayFun. That's not what it was designed for.

What I can do is make my Kayfun taste just like Abenaki Pipe Tobacco in my Dunhill.

Just so you know what the comparison is.
TURKISH BALKAN
Dunhill Chestnut Group 5 Estate Pipe Very Nice Awesome Smokestack F37 | eBay

 

[brickfollett]

Every conversation such as this one requires some realistic discussion about PG and VG health hazards. Neither is completely safe. Breathing plain old air is best for your lungs. Blowing clouds is something that just might take its toll over time.

Even stage and movie set workers have EPA limits on exposure time with fog machines. Those limits are there to prevent respiratory irritation. We all know that irritation leads to more serious lung ailments.

No one wants to hear that, but it's medical truth. Most of us started vaping to recreate vapor in the amounts produced by a cigarette. Now, some are trying to emulate a fog machine.

http://www.uic.edu/sph/glakes/harts1/HARTS_library/smokefog.txt

Haha you should check out pbusardos video on the legal vape 4000 if you haven't seen it yet.

That so, anything is better than cigarettes, or in my case, cigars

 

[eratikmind]

If true, I cannot see how 70 watts would even be remotely an enjoyable vaping experience on a KayFun without some major modifications.

My KFLs see no more than 12.5 watts.

 

[wonkeypickle]

running 70 watts on a kayfun is far from impossible, however you WILL melt insulators (and subconsequently inhale toxins produced) and it will taste like complete garbage, unless like mentioned above it is drilled out to the extreme.


watts are not the limiting factor for the kayfun, it's airflow. well that and those cheap insulators....

 

[Flt Simulation]

Speaking of Kayfuns ... I have tried all kinds of coil / power combinations on my SvoëMesto Kayfun Lite Plus.

The sweetest vape I have found is using just a 1.5-1.6 ohm single coil, and feeding it 4.0v . . . . That's 10 watts of power (2.5 amps).
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Maybe I am missing something by not building a 0.3 ohm heavy coil and feeding it 50+ watts of power ... but I don't think my lungs would appreciate it vaping on something drawing 13 amps of power.

 

[The Cloud Minder]

Most of the time I run my KF on my IPV2 at 20 watts, now mind you that's a 1.0 ohm build. Anything higher, makes the juice taste like flaming alcohol. I can't imagine pushing 70 W thru the KF and having lungs left afterwards.

 

[KenD]

My Kayfuns can handle 30w easily (dual coil builds though), but I can't imagine that 70w would be possible without major modifications.

 

[jdrewry]

To the OP:

Go back to the store when you have time, and ask him to prove it.

 

[brickfollett]

My Kayfuns can handle 30w easily (dual coil builds though), but I can't imagine that 70w would be possible without major modifications.

Can you post a picture of your build? It's stock right? I can barely get past 12 watts on mine and it's authentic

 

[KenD]

Can you post a picture of your build? It's stock right? I can barely get past 12 watts on mine and it's authentic

I'll try to remember to do that when I rewick. It's a clone that had really shallow juice channels, so I dremmelled them, and I'm not very good at it so it looks horrible...

 

[Equilibrium]

I've run my KFL+ at 25 watts max and it was very enjoyable BUT as a general rule I don't exceed 15 watts. I can't imagine 70w on a Kf though.

 

[KenD]

I should add that my 30w is when the rayon is fairly fresh. When it's been in use for a couple of days 30w will give a slight burnt taste. The same goes for my Fogger v4.

 

[DaveP]

The 1/16" air ducts are the limiting factor in the Kayfun. You just can't get enough air flow to crank it and get a good high watt vape. I'm generally around 4v +/- on a 1.8 ohm coil. That's about 9 watts. Sometimes I go up to 4.7v (about 12W) for a short period, but I don't care for the hot vape. My Provari is a 15W device, anyway.

 

[CShaver]

I've been using the same 1ohm build in my Kayfun forever. I only use my mech (although my Sigelei 100w is sitting at home and I cannot wait to try it). On a fully charged battery I'm at 18/20 watts (I believe, don't jump all over me lol) and I find it to be lacking, even on a fresh re-wick. It used to be fine, but I guess I'm used to it now, so it's not impressive in the slightest. Hence the reason I got the 100w Lol. I will find a setting that works again.