Where are you getting the 2 Year Grace Period from?
Do you have a Link?
BTW - When you say "just about everything", what is Not Included in the "just about"?
FDA So what might really happen with regulations/bans? Should we be stocking up?
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Where are you getting the 2 Year Grace Period from?
Do you have a Link?
BTW - When you say "just about everything", what is Not Included in the "just about"?
From the text of the proposed deeming regulation. Surely you read it when it was published, no?
My recollection is stuff like ingredient labelling and nicotine warnings would have to be done more quickly.
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When a "Deeming Regulation" says they "want" to do something, it means they still have to propose a REAL regulation with specifics that actually does so, and that real regulation has to go through the same process.
The Next thing the FDA is going to Do is submit a Final set of Rules for OMB review. And then they go to Congress.
I don't think the FDA is going to submit One Rule at Time. So this Process Isn't going to be Repeated 673 Times.
I have wondered a bunch about the regulation of APV devices. I don't really know how the FDA can effectively regulate a mod and dripping atomizer for example. If I were vendor and I had to, I could relabel the device as an electrical training tool that teaches people about Ohm's Law. Juice I can see being regulated though. If I were a juice vendor I would have a plan that might involve switching to nic free liquids and selling them as air freshener.
Since I vape 0nic now that is the hope I have should the regulations be damning. I guess I could survive with DIY liquids now though since I don't even need the mic base.
My suggestion to current vapors is to get nic base, and start working on going nic free. It took me 8 months to get there, but I am glad I no longer feel a chemical addiction to the stuff. I vape purely for pleasure now.
Since I vape 0nic now that is the hope I have should the regulations be damning. I guess I could survive with DIY liquids now though since I don't even need the mic base.
My suggestion to current vapors is to get nic base, and start working on going nic free. It took me 8 months to get there, but I am glad I no longer feel a chemical addiction to the stuff. I vape purely for pleasure now.
Yep.
Uh -- No! If you wish to give it up, that's fine. But some of us have no such desire.
Exactly. I vape for the nicotine - in fact I vape 24 mg and have zero intention of lowering it. I derive health and psychological benefits from my nic level, and the last thing I want to do is start messing around with pharmaceutical nicotine products trying to get nearly the same dose (previous experiments to that end have not worked out), or have to try other medications to get the same benefits
I am of the unfortunate group who will probably start smoking again if nic liquid were too heavily regulated. I would like to try dissolvable tobacco tablets or nic water, but I'm not sure I'll have access to dissolvables and I know nic water is out of the question, thanks to the FDA... my previous experience is that chewing tobacco tastes terrible and I don't like having to spit all the time... so yeah I'll end up smoking again 
but at least I've considered my "options"...
4) Remote sales.----
(A) In general.--The Secretary shall--
(i) within 18 months after the date of enactment...
It's been over 5 years.
Yeah... That is Another Reason that I think the FDA will Move on e-Liquids Sooner verses Later.
Sorry to be so late replying... just saw this. While I agree with most of what you've said, I take issue with this:
"I'm sorry, but racism, bigotry and sexism don't have one single thing to do with this. It's beyond ludicrous to think that."
We're approaching from two different directions.. you address motivation or the goals of those in power and I certainly don't disagree, however.... I address how they implement control or what tactics are used to attain those goals. It requires getting "the people" (voters) behind them and that's where they use all manner of spin and propaganda designed to appeal to people's baser "instincts" which include bias, prejudice, bigotry and discrimination. Down through history its been the same device used by the power elite to control the masses. As for "beyond ludicrous".... whatever.
The bigotry part has everything to do with the decades-long efforts to demonize smokers...
http://www.rampant-antismoking.com/
And without that bigotry in place and firmly established...
All efforts to quash electronic cigarettes at the local, state, and federal levels would not be working as well as they have been.
EDIT: Added link to the Godber Blueprint, which has successfully been used to establish and promote the decades-long plan to demonize of smokers.
http://www.rampant-antismoking.com/
And without that bigotry in place and firmly established...
All efforts to quash electronic cigarettes at the local, state, and federal levels would not be working as well as they have been.
EDIT: Added link to the Godber Blueprint, which has successfully been used to establish and promote the decades-long plan to demonize of smokers.
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I don't think the actual e-cigarettes will be regulated let alone banned. However, the e-juice, especially with nicotine will probably be harder to get. Taxes, higher prices or all out banned might be in the future.
Should you stock up? I don't think anything is prohibited anytime soon so you should be ok for now
Should you stock up? I don't think anything is prohibited anytime soon so you should be ok for now
I think it bears repeating that liquid solutions with various concentrations of nicotine have been manufactured and sold for quite some time, long before 2007, and have been used in nicotine gum, patches, etc. Thus, it may be that these liquids must be grandfathered under the express provisions of the enabling statute. But I have not been able to determine how long liquids with specific levels of nicotine have been sold, how they were marketed and sold, to whom or for what purposes other than NRT. However, that information is certainly in the possession of those who make the stuff. If they were exclusively marketed and sold as "drug products," then they would probably not fall within the definition of "tobacco products," and thus might not qualify for grandfathering.
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