FDA So where is the outcry from the vendors?

[DC2]

Heck yeah, I actually ran my last PRT faster than I did when I was 25. I AM 40 Years Old Now!!!!!!!!! That is Proof Positive in my Book

--When I was smoking I could hold my breath for around 30 seconds
--After 12 months of vaping I could hold my breath for around 90 seconds
--After 17 months of vaping I got a Pulmonary Function test and my results were ABOVE normal
--After 30 months of vaping I could hold my breath for around 110 seconds

 

[Devonmoonshire]

People that work hard, fight the good fight, and encounter stress often find that nicotine is helpful to them in their daily lives.
Not sure if that applies here, but it's just a simple observation.

This is very true, I know that on long hauls out at sea nicotine really helps to curb the nerves that get irritated with the groundhogs day environment that can develop. So getting that nicotine and habit satisfied all in one shot in the most healthy way possible is definitely a good thing for us.

Very Good Eye Brother and very very good and true observation

Nate

 

[Devonmoonshire]

--When I was smoking I could hold my breath for around 30 seconds
--After 12 months of vaping I could hold my breath for around 90 seconds
--After 17 months of vaping I got a Pulmonary Function test and my results were ABOVE normal
--After 30 months of vaping I could hold my breath for around 110 seconds

When I was smoking I could hold my Breath for 10 seconds (2PAD habbit will do that to ya).....
After 6 Months Vaping I was up to a Minute and my Lung Function went from 88% to 98-100%.....
After 8 Months I ran my first PRT Mile and a Half in 11 Minutes 38 Seconds, 3 Minutes and 7 seconds faster than I did when I was smoking...
After 1 Year 6 Months Vaping I ran my First 5K......
After 2 Years Vaping I ran 9 1/2 Miles in 48 Minutes and recovered my breath and brought my heart rate back down to resting rate within 5 minutes of finishing the run.....

Latest accomplishment...... Blood Pressure while smoking got as high as 148 over 97......

Blood Pressure this January at the ER after an Injury even was 107 over 64.......


Don't Know enough about it FDA???? THERE's SOME COLD HARD FACTS FOR YA!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[DC2]

When I was smoking I could hold my Breath for 10 seconds (2PAD habbit will do that to ya).....
After 6 Months Vaping I was up to a Minute and my Lung Function went from 88% to 98-100%.....
After 8 Months I ran my first PRT Mile and a Half in 11 Minutes 38 Seconds, 3 Minutes and 7 seconds faster than I did when I was smoking...
After 1 Year 6 Months Vaping I ran my First 5K......
After 2 Years Vaping I ran 9 1/2 Miles in 48 Minutes and recovered my breath and brought my heart rate back down to resting rate within 5 minutes of finishing the run.....

Latest accomplishment...... Blood Pressure while smoking got as high as 148 over 97......

Blood Pressure this January at the ER after an Injury even was 107 over 64.......


Don't Know enough about it FDA???? THERE's SOME COLD HARD FACTS FOR YA!!!!!!!!!!!

So do you like to run, or do you not have a car?

 

[Devonmoonshire]

So do you like to run, or do you not have a car?

LMAO Have Two Cars..... But I do Love to run Especially long runs

I just hope I will be able to again, I can hardly walk right now thanks to a destroyed knee

 

[Road_House]

Wasn't me. I did mine going on a year ago

And 'prepper' really isn't done on "regulation eve" - that's unprepper

Ok.....it was me I ordered 1500 ml of 100 mg/ml on 5/2. What's funny is it's been hit or miss for them to even have that in stock let alone a week after the FDA drops the bomb. Guess this "unprepper" got lucky

 

[Kent C]

Ok.....it was me I ordered 1500 ml of 100 mg/ml on 5/2. What's funny is it's been hit or miss for them to even have that in stock let alone a week after the FDA drops the bomb. Guess this "unprepper" got lucky

Glad you could. Get it while you can. I don't even know if prices have started to rise yet but I would expect that.

 

[Road_House]

Glad you could. Get it while you can. I don't even know if prices have started to rise yet but I would expect that.

$56.99 for 500 ml.

 

[Talyon]

It would be very nice if many more vendors would voice some sort of an opinion on the matter at hand, I do understand why most aren't yada yada......

Ty mods for trying to keep this thread in one piece.

The amount of utter other stuff going on in many of these threads is growing very tiresome. They know it to.

I may be mostly silent as of late, but my fight will be with the appropriate entity, not fodder on these forums.

 

[Stosh]

Just a quick comment on the original topic of this thread, (before it's in Tin Foil visor land)

The newsletters I have been receiving from my many vendors all have mention of the FDA deeming regs, and encourage people to comment, join CASSA. Considering they may have a much larger customer base than just ECF members, they may be reaching far more vapers than all our threads. Regardless of how heated our threads may get, they are calmly informing their customers directly.... It's a good thing.

edit: p.s. some even have notices on the front page of their websites....

 

[aubergine]

--When I was smoking I could hold my breath for around 30 seconds
--After 12 months of vaping I could hold my breath for around 90 seconds
--After 17 months of vaping I got a Pulmonary Function test and my results were ABOVE normal
--After 30 months of vaping I could hold my breath for around 110 seconds

After 5 years of vaping I can sing again. Smoking had reduced my voice to a sullen croak.
I propose that CASAA fly me to the next FDA conference. I'll serenade them.
I promise not one of them will be left standing.

 

[Katya]

+1 1000%

Regardless of whether we are Libertarian or Conservative, Republican/Democrat/Independent, Right Wing/ Left Wing/ That Meat In The Middle.

We Are ALL VAPERS!!!! Stand United Damnit!!! And Lets Get This Done Right!!!


Can I get a HOO RAH!!!!!!

Hoo Rah!!!!

And thank you for your service!

 

[Tyrawr]

Hey guys, concerning the original topic as well, I just received this from Clack and Katy at nicoticket:

"Comment Request: Extend the Comment Period - FDA Deeming Regulations
View this email in your browser


Hey folks! I respect your time, and I respect your privacy - so I use the newsletter very sparingly. That said, if this is in your inbox, you know it's serious.

I just returned from the SFATA Spring Conference in Chicago and it would suffice to say that we should all be concerned about the proposed FDA deeming regulations. I can say this with absolute certainty: if we do not move swiftly, the community we have built will almost certainly be extinguished. I need to retract all previous statements that suggested that "the proposed FDA Deeming Regulations aren't as bad as I thought they would be" - this is as close to the worst case scenario as can be imagined for small businesses that are attempting to persist into the post regulatory environment. It would suffice to say that if these proposed deeming regulations are allowed to pass unmodified, Nicoticket and other small businesses like ours will cease to exist. Quite truthfully, this bill aims to hand the entire industry to half a dozen players, most of whom would be categorized as "Big Tobacco."

I have one simple request.
VISIT THE FOLLOWING LINK>>>>

Regulations.gov

Submit a comment requesting an extension of the comment period:

"A 75 day comment period is insufficient time for the vaping industry and the wider vaping community to comment on the proposed deeming regulations. I would respectfully request that the period for comment be extended to 180 days."

ALSO:

If you are not already a member of CASAA: Please join ASAP! It only takes 15 minutes! CASAA is the united voice of the vaping community. Please reserve additional comments on the deeming regulations until the end of the (soon to be extended) comment period! CASAA will be issuing a "Call to Action" which will give provide outline of the type of "purposeful comments" that the FDA needs. In the interim, please submit the extention request outlined above!

Thank you - thank you - thank you,

~Clark and Katy"

 

[Elizabeth Baldwin]

Hey guys, concerning the original topic as well, I just received this from Clack and Katy at nicoticket:

"Comment Request: Extend the Comment Period - FDA Deeming Regulations
View this email in your browser

Hey folks! I respect your time, and I respect your privacy - so I use the newsletter very sparingly. That said, if this is in your inbox, you know it's serious.

I just returned from the SFATA Spring Conference in Chicago and it would suffice to say that we should all be concerned about the proposed FDA deeming regulations. I can say this with absolute certainty: if we do not move swiftly, the community we have built will almost certainly be extinguished. I need to retract all previous statements that suggested that "the proposed FDA Deeming Regulations aren't as bad as I thought they would be" - this is as close to the worst case scenario as can be imagined for small businesses that are attempting to persist into the post regulatory environment. It would suffice to say that if these proposed deeming regulations are allowed to pass unmodified, Nicoticket and other small businesses like ours will cease to exist. Quite truthfully, this bill aims to hand the entire industry to half a dozen players, most of whom would be categorized as "Big Tobacco."

I have one simple request.
VISIT THE FOLLOWING LINK>>>>

Regulations.gov

Submit a comment requesting an extension of the comment period:

"A 75 day comment period is insufficient time for the vaping industry and the wider vaping community to comment on the proposed deeming regulations. I would respectfully request that the period for comment be extended to 180 days."

ALSO:

If you are not already a member of CASAA: Please join ASAP! It only takes 15 minutes! CASAA is the united voice of the vaping community. Please reserve additional comments on the deeming regulations until the end of the (soon to be extended) comment period! CASAA will be issuing a "Call to Action" which will give provide outline of the type of "purposeful comments" that the FDA needs. In the interim, please submit the extention request outlined above!

Thank you - thank you - thank you,

~Clark and Katy"

From what I've read we are only allowed 1 comment. If we use our 1 comment to request an extension to the deadline then aren't we doing more harm than good? We just wasted our comment for a deadline yet our comment is wasted?

 

[Elizabeth Baldwin]

I'm waiting on CASAA. I'm not doing anything until I hear their Call to action.

 

[Roger_Lafayette]

I don't think anyone has done a scientific or even systematic analysis of how things propagate in the vaping world. All I can say is that before I started vaping, I watched a lot of vids on YT from people like Phil Busardo, Grimm Green, Rip Tripper, even more obscure folks like Jenee Flowler and what's-his-name-420 (who cusses all the time, but is generally quite amusing And of course VP Team Live or whoever they are (they're a bit fluffy, but the do have that "It's political" segment which covers regulation and other things that interest most of us who read Media and Legislation).

All of them mention ECF repeatedly, and CASAA when relevant. (Of course CASAA grew out of ECF, so they are joined at the hip in so many ways.)

Anyway that's just my personal experience. YMMV. But I'd say ECF's influence s/b neither overestimated nor underestimated. It might be easier to do the latter than the former.

Just a quick comment on the original topic of this thread, (before it's in Tin Foil visor land)

The newsletters I have been receiving from my many vendors all have mention of the FDA deeming regs, and encourage people to comment, join CASSA. Considering they may have a much larger customer base than just ECF members, they may be reaching far more vapers than all our threads. Regardless of how heated our threads may get, they are calmly informing their customers directly.... It's a good thing.

edit: p.s. some even have notices on the front page of their websites....

 

[Tyrawr]

From what I've read we are only allowed 1 comment. If we use our 1 comment to request an extension to the deadline then aren't we doing more harm than good? We just wasted our comment for a deadline yet our comment is wasted?

Actually, since I have decided to wait for CASAA and my mind and stuff too, I was wondering about this. I haven't even looked at/for the page that everyone talks about, because I am not interested in spending my comment yet. Is the link in that email to *that* comment page? I haven't signed any online petitions or comments pages at all; I just wanted to share one vendors take (the only one aside from VCV that I have received thus far). But if that is a link to *the* comment page, I/we should definitely let them know that we think it is an exceedingly poor use of a comment space, ASAP.

 

[aaronjudd]

Everybody says "Join CASAA" , which I did a long time ago. I write emails protesting,etc when a call to action is sent (usually without reply). However, I wonder how effective a group CASAA it is. Don't shoot me, just wondering. I haven't seen a lot of real successes (just in my small time observing).

I'm just really surprised the industry hasn't formed some form of self taxation to fund lobbyists (just think if every juice co and vape shop contributed 1-5% of sales/mo to a single representative group). Same things for us vapers - why isn't there a NRA for vapers? A group that is donation funded with only 10,000 member, all waiting on them to do something isn't the same as activist group funded by a $10/mo contribution. All vape vendors should be offering a discount to members of supporting organization (and particularly online vendors) to convince people that it's in their benefit to join and contribute. Money = power. I'm not believing that a few folks showing up at the local council vote are really going to sway anyone.

 

[Roger_Lafayette]

Everybody says "Join CASAA" , which I did a long time ago. I write emails protesting,etc when a call to action is sent (usually without reply). However, I wonder how effective a group CASAA it is. Don't shoot me, just wondering. I haven't seen a lot of real successes (just in my small time observing).

I'm just really surprised the industry hasn't formed some form of self taxation to fund lobbyists (just think if every juice co and vape shop contributed 1-5% of sales/mo to a single representative group). Same things for us vapers - why isn't there a NRA for vapers? A group that is donation funded with only 10,000 member, all waiting on them to do something isn't the same as activist group funded by a $10/mo contribution. All vape vendors should be offering a discount to members of supporting organization (and particularly online vendors) to convince people that it's in their benefit to join and contribute. Money = power. I'm not believing that a few folks showing up at the local council vote are really going to sway anyone.

If you want to know how successful CASAA has been this year, take a look at this map, and compare it to the posts in the legislation forum: 2014 Legislative Session Calendar

Not one single major statewide loss this year, despite some very threatening legislation in a number of states that should've been pretty bad for vapers, such as OR, WA, MD, NM, and UT. Looks like taxes are going to be stopped in NJ and VT, and MN's indoor vaping ban is going to be stopped. Action obviously continues in quite a few states. But CASAA has been effective there.

CASAA has also stopped two citywide bans on the sale of vaping supplies and equipment this year, one in CA and one in TX. That said, municipal wins have been few and far between. In many instances, one doesn't hear about things because they get tabled.

CASAA was also instrumental in getting the Burstyn study done, which has proven to be incredibly effective in fighting indoor/outdoor vaping bans (i.e. Clean Indoor Air Act extensions): http://www.biomedcentral.com/content/pdf/1471-2458-14-18.pdf

Major fights continue, of course, in CA, NY, MA, CT, DE, and a few other places.

CASAA is going to be front-and-center in this FDA thing, along w/ SFATA and other orgs.

To answer your Q, some retailers in some states have hired lobbyists - that's been done in MN very successfuly. But it's not the trend, and it hasn't gone national. You're absolutely right that it should. Hopefully this FDA thing will wake some of them up.

Thanks for joining CASAA and supporting the CTA efforts!

 

[Gato del Jugo]

From what I've read we are only allowed 1 comment. If we use our 1 comment to request an extension to the deadline then aren't we doing more harm than good? We just wasted our comment for a deadline yet our comment is wasted?

No, those who have been requesting the extension (mainly lawyer types?) have not been using the official comment thing for that..

I believe there's some FDA contact info out there, like an email address...


I think the average Joe can also request an extension, but I'm not exactly sure of the correct wording & what-not...