So why is it?.....

[alicewonderland]

I wasn't trying to clump you up with them. Only that you were trying to prove me wrong with face palms which is why I said what I said. It's like no matter what I say, there's always somebody trying to discredit it.

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it goes the other way around as well, aren't your replies just trying to discredit others opinions as well? Don't confuse people sharing their opinions with bashing, which is what most people do I believe which leads to all this so called 'bashing' the OP says exists. I think ECF actually does a good job of getting rid of the actual 'bashers', there used to be a user here who went into every thread just to bash anyone who didnt agree with him and I havent seen him in a while, whether he got banned/too many warnings, or just left because he got fed up that the majority didnt agree with him.

I dont really see any bashers that exist on this forum, just a bunch of people who stand firmly on their beliefs/opinions and fail to aknowledge the opinions others and find they have a need to change that other persons mind on a subject.

 

[Oberon75]

it goes the other way around as well, aren't your replies just trying to discredit others opinions as well? Don't confuse people sharing their opinions with bashing, which is what most people do I believe which leads to all this so called 'bashing' the OP says exists. I think ECF actually does a good job of getting rid of the actual 'bashers', there used to be a user here who went into every thread just to bash anyone who didnt agree with him and I havent seen him in a while, whether he got banned/too many warnings, or just left because he got fed up that the majority didnt agree with him.

I dont really see any bashers that exist on this forum, just a bunch of people who stand firmly on their beliefs/opinions and fail to aknowledge the opinions others and find they have a need to change their mind.

The difference is, my posts aren't in threads pertaining to things I don't do or like. For instance, I don't like most RTA's or prebuilt Sub-Ohm tanks. I think they are stupid and are hindering innovation because it's just a bunch of companies copying each other. But I'm not creating or jumping into threads about the Goblin, Arctic and Herkales and giving a negative opinion on something other people enjoy.

As for the one person you are speaking of, I believe I know exactly who you are talking about and he did get banned. He made a pretty nasty thread about ECF users and moderators on another board. There are a few other similar users though who keep their trolling just within the boundaries not to get banned.

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[alicewonderland]

The difference is, my posts aren't in threads pertaining to things I don't do or like. For instance, I don't like most RTA's or prebuilt Sub-Ohm tanks. I think they are stupid and are hindering innovation because it's just a bunch of companies copying each other. But I'm not creating or jumping into threads about the Goblin, Arctic and Herkales and giving a negative opinion on something other people enjoy.

As for the one person you are speaking of, I believe I know exactly who you are talking about and he did get banned. He made a pretty nasty thread about ECF users and moderators on another board. There are a few other similar users though who keep their trolling just within the boundaries not to get banned.

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Well, its your choice to not post negative opinions. Which is why they are called opinions, you dont have to agree with them just like you dont have to argue against them. Where people go wrong is when they bring other 'related subjects' or 'examples' to try to prove their previous arguement, and in most cases the 'examples' they bring up just cause more people to argue against them on that so called 'example'. That is why this is a forum, its for discussions and opinions. Just because someone has a negative opinion on a subject doesnt mean they shouldnt post it at all.

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[Oberon75]

Well, its your choice to not post negative opinions. Which is why they are called opinions, you dont have to agree with them just like you dont have to argue against them. That is why this is a forum, its for discussions and opinions. Just because someone has a negative opinion on a subject doesnt mean they shouldnt post it at all.

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noun
1.
a place, meeting, or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged."

Yet this is the only one where I find negativity towards how somebody prefers to vape. It's very much a "get off my lawn" mentality and that's just not cool. And like I said. It has driven people away and quite possibly brought others back to smoking because they didn't stick around long enough to become successful vapors. I wouldn't be saying this if I didn't read bad ECF experiences on other boards and in Facebook vape groups. The same kind of stuff I notice quite regularly. Because I if it was just me, I could easily ignore it.

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[alicewonderland]

Yet this is the only one where I find negativity towards how somebody prefers to vape. It's very much a "get off my lawn" mentality and that's just not cool. And like I said. It has driven people away and quite possibly brought others back to smoking because they didn't stick around long enough to become successful vapors. I wouldn't be saying this if I didn't read bad ECF experiences on other boards and in Facebook vape groups. The same kind of stuff I notice quite regularly. Because I if it was just me, I could easily ignore it.

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Well, opinions exist. The only thing I can say to those who get driven away is to grow thicker skin. I'm sure this forum is huge and since it is so big, many people and many opinions exist and they all wont be the same. There was only one time I stayed away from ECF for a few weeks and it was just due to two people, one of them got banned, and the other I've learned to ignore. I personally dont see 'bashing' regularly, but I do tend to see these type of threads come up that complain/argue about bashing, which itself turns into a bashing thread somehow.

Looking at general discussion again I see one so-called thread, what you dont notice is there is another thread directly made to poke fun at the other thread. You just focus on the 'bashing' thread that no one is making you click on.

also going through the other threads in this section of people asking for help, I see no bashing. Theres also a subohm subforum and a cloud chasers subforum and i see no bashing in there either. There actually are people who you are arguing against on this thread, who post in those forums helping subohmers/cloudchasers/are subohm/cloudchasers themselves fyi.

 

[freeall]

Message boards are fuelled by drama and negativity. This is nothing new. I always laugh when people talk about how great things used to be, yet they still stir the pot in most threads lol. This is an electronic cig forum, filled with all types of people. People will disagree, people will have their beliefs. It is what it is. If you want peace and quiet, go to the library and read a book.

People always say they hate drama and bickering, yet, these types of threads make the most noise, because people enjoy the cheap entertainment. Look at the views and interest in this thread. People love it, regardless if they say they don't. It's like a reality tv show at times.

Drama sells. Without it, stuff would be boring. Now, I'm sure someone will disagree with me, and just furthermore prove my point.

 

[beckdg]

I don't cry racism, I cry liar.


Show me anyone who says they try not to buy things made in China and I'll bet money that at least 40% of the items in their home are made in China or include parts that were made in China. In fact I'll bet money that they have more Chinese made things in their home than 100% American made or 100% European made.

They like to SAY they try not to buy things made in China, but that's a claim they only apply selectively when it's convenient for them at the moment. Usually in an effort to look cool. Sort of like saying they don't buy things made in China when talking about vaping gear, but they are happy to drive a car with Chinese made parts in it, watch TV with Chinese made parts, carry a cellphone with Chinese made parts, use a laptop with Chinese made parts, and post here on a computer with Chinese made parts in it. In fact I would even bet that their "American made" ecig mod uses a board with Chinese made chips inside or supports an "American Made" ecig company that simply rebrands their Chinese made ego batteries and puts an 808 thread on it to be "different".

Or their beloved prothingys. [emoji14]

Tapatyped

 

[beckdg]

some USA companies even just get their stuff made in china because of cheap labor/parts, import it and say its made in USA, even though it was just designed here, but made in china.

Which eliminates the whole premise of made in america... The workers/jobs...

Tapatyped

 

[beckdg]

Which is ironic because the majority of Hondas and toyotas sold
In the US are made right here in the US by US auto workers.
Misguided patriotism.
Blind loyalty isn't loyalty. Blind patriotism isn't patriotism.

Ehem...

Assembled...

not all the jobs are located here by any stretch.

Regardless if they're doing better by us than "US" car makers...

Tapatyped

 

[beckdg]

I vape @ .2 ohm.

Who's got a problem with that?

Tapatyped

 

[Robino1]

Whew, got a little rough in here overnight.

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We do not allow bashing of other forums on this one. Keep to the topic at hand and lets not digress elsewhere.

 

[DC2]

It's very much a "get off my lawn" mentality and that's just not cool. And like I said. It has driven people away and quite possibly brought others back to smoking because they didn't stick around long enough to become successful vapors.

If this is happening it would, of course, be unfortunate.

Can you explain what kinds of things happen here that might drive away a new potential vaper?
And can you explain how other places don't have those things happening?

I'm just curious about your statements and would like to understand them better.

 

[jseah]

When you have online forums, the more members you have, the greater differences in opinion can become. I also belong to a well established cell phone forum with over 1 million members. There you will have forums broken up by carrier and by brand of phone. You will have AT&T users going into the Verizon forums to bash Verizon, and vice versa, or you will have Motorola users going into the Samsung forums to bash Samsung phones. Sometimes it can be difficult to separate the wheat from the chaff, especially those times when it denigrates to where 75% of the posts in a thread is chaff.

That said, in my experience ECF is nowhere near that bad. Sure, I've seen threads where people ask for advice for an advanced cig-alike so they can attempt to quit smoking and they get responses telling them they should be getting a Sigelei 150 and an RDA. But for the most part the posts are informative and insightful, with many members sharing their experiences when they were at that same point in their journey. While the Sigelei 150 and the RDA may be a wise choice, 6 months or a year from now for that person, it may not necessarily be what they want nor are comfortable with now.

 

[Rizzyking]

This forum is a lot better then many out there and i belong to a great many this one isn't that bad. As for former members talking negatively on other forums you cannot simply accept what they say as the truth or the reality of the forum they are commenting on as more often then not they did something they shouldn't repeatedly and got banned so their agenda is never about fairness. Your comment on this being the only forum you see criticism of certain aspects of vaping, again I see the same issues raised on other forums as here there may well be more raising the concern here simply because there is a high level of advocacy participation here which means a lot of people dealing with people outside the vaping community hearing the concerns being raised about vaping.

With the exception of the odd person looking to create drama the majority on here have zero interest in sub ohm, cloud chasing or mechanical mods and don't really have any position so to use the "majority" tag is a little melodramatic. Personally my happy spot is between 1.4-1.8 ohms at 20 watts and I have no idea if that's below, usual or above average vaper level as I've never thought in those terms and don't have an issue beyond how vaping is perceived by the public. People who raise concerns are not enemies or opponents and we cannot think of them as such we need to recognise those concerns and address them that's how we progress not by sticking our head in the sand confident in our personal superiority because doing that we will one day take our head out the sand and find vaping as we knew it has gone.

Oberon I have no problem with your style of vaping or the devices you use we're all individuals and have individual tastes in what works for us I actually think it's a strength of the community. All I have ever said is some need to start being more considerate and responsible which is not an attack it's a reality until we get things sorted out, after that people can do as they please and suffer any comeback individually as we already do on a number of things.

 

[OhioMX]

I vape @ .2 ohm.

Who's got a problem with that?

Tapatyped

Same

gotta luv sub ohm

 

[beckdg]

I vape @ .2 ohm.

Who's got a problem with that?

Tapatyped

So I take the lack of responses as nobody so far?

Because I think Oberon might need to see that in simple terms.

Some things can be misleading in text. Especially so when they seem to agree with another poster who may be completely against sub ohming and very vocal to the point of abuse or insults.

Which at first glance, it's easy to think that's the majority stance on this site. Not nearly as bad as a year ago, but still.

Tapatyped

 

[alicewonderland]

So I take the lack of responses as nobody so far?

Because I think Oberon might need to see that in simple terms.

Some things can be misleading in text. Especially so when they seem to agree with another poster who may be completely against sub ohming and very vocal to the point of abuse or insults.

Which at first glance, it's easy to think that's the majority stance on this site. Not nearly as bad as a year ago, but still.

Tapatyped

well, i vape at 0.2-0.7ohms regularly which i stated before, but oberon never aknowledged my statement and just continued to argue. I am in no way against subohming, and never really saw people who chastised subohmers as he stated.

 

[Bad Ninja]

Ehem...

Assembled...

not all the jobs are located here by any stretch.

Regardless if they're doing better by us than "US" car makers...

Tapatyped

Assembled by US auto workers. In the USA.
You totally missed the point.
Boycotting brands like Toyota and Honda just so you can "buy American" is ridiculous, because they are made here in America by American union auto workers,........ but they don't count?

Oh, Toyota and Honda didn't need a billion dollar bailout from the taxpayers because they ran their businesses into the ground.


I've been in the auto industry most of my adult life.

 

[beckdg]

Assembled by US auto workers. In the USA.
You totally missed the point.
Boycotting brands like Toyota and Honda just so you can "buy American" is ridiculous, because they are made here in America by American union auto workers,........ but they don't count?

Oh, Toyota and Honda didn't need a billion dollar bailout from the taxpayers because they ran their businesses into the ground.


I've been in the auto industry most of my adult life.

It would behoove you to Pay better attention to detail if you're going to accuse someone of missing the point. [emoji14]

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[Oberon75]

So I take the lack of responses as nobody so far?

Because I think Oberon might need to see that in simple terms.

Some things can be misleading in text. Especially so when they seem to agree with another poster who may be completely against sub ohming and very vocal to the point of abuse or insults.

Which at first glance, it's easy to think that's the majority stance on this site. Not nearly as bad as a year ago, but still.

Tapatyped

Perhaps some of the posts are misleading although it is hard to tell that when some of the same posters are the ones clicking the like button for a post flat out insulting people who vape higher watts.

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