So why is it?.....

[Thrasher]

The thing is, you have a lot of members here who do talk down on it with their little references, mocking it. I'm almost 40 years old and I don't really consider the only thing that keeps me from smoking as "BIG CLOUDZ".

And it's not even just this thread I'm talking about. Take a peak into that 150w sigelei thread and you will find somebody who just had to leave their two cents about how sub-ohms are stupid. As they do in any thread that consists of a device that fires above 20 watts. Trashing any product seems to be fair game just as long as it's not towards an ECF supplier. Then the thread gets locked.

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Dude! You have a 150 watt mod in your hand.
150watts

Think about this for a second without a knee jerk defensive posture
150watts

It takes a 100 watt lightbulb to bake a small cake in the easy bake oven for kids.
Now your able to run even more then that into an object with the volume of a walnut.

Being able to produce so much power is not the problem many see.

With that kind of raw power available what possible physical benefit is going to be gained at .2 ohms

You can easily power a 5 ohm coil.

I can see low builds on a mechanical specially when we used to run quads. But 150 unwavering and regulated watts? And you can't build a better performing setup with 1 ohm? All many see is a true lack of being able to properly build and tune a setup if you still need .2 ohms.

The larger coil argument is garbage, ohm for ohm ribbon still smokes micro coils, you would need 18g wire to match the surface area of 28g ribbon

. And while we are there how the ell is something 10 mm wide with 12 wraps anything near " micro" sized

 

[alicewonderland]

Well perhaps it wasn't your intent and I misunderstood but I do see it around here quite a bit.

This one was from just last night when we were discussing the 150 Sigelei. Is this really called for?



"I vape not to smoke. 1.5 is plenty enough for an ADV with a regulated mod. When I smoked, I didn't do it to look like a human chimney. People try to justify sub-ohming with the typical, ' oh I prefer it this way, I love the vapor, the warmer vape, blah blah'. Yeah ok.

Pumping tons of vapor into your body, then go on to say it's 'healthier'than smoking and it satisfies your cravings. Ok, champ."

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To be fair, like I and other people have said before, I don't think it is ever the majorities intent to 'bash' cloud chasing like you assume they are. I have been following several threads where people have been giving their 'opinions' on subjects that happen to include people who vape heavy VG juice to produce oversized clouds, and almost all of them you seem to be responding to as if they are attacking you personally then refer to 'other threads' of cloud bashing, rather than the current topic on the thread it is already in.

and to be fair, in the other thread it was just 1 guy. the same guy basically in most of these 'cloud chasing' related threads. Just as it is in most threads, its usually just 1 or 2 guys, compared to the plentiful of over neutral/favored replies to the thread, it isn't actually 'a lot' of ECF members as you stated, its the minority.

 

[Oberon75]

Dude! You have a 150 watt mod in your hand.
150watts

Think about this for a second without a knee jerk defensive posture
150watts

It takes a 100 watt lightbulb to bake a small cake in the easy bake oven for kids.
Now your able to run even more then that into an object with the volume of a walnut.

Being able to produce so much power is not the problem many see.

With that kind of raw power available what possible physical benefit is going to be gained at .2 ohms

You can easily power a 5 ohm coil.

I can see low builds on a mechanical specially when we used to run quads. But 150 unwavering and regulated watts? And you can't build a better performing setup with 1 ohm? All many see is a true lack of being able to properly build and tune a setup if you still need .2 ohms.

The larger coil argument is garbage, ohm for ohm ribbon still smokes micro coils. And while we are there how the ell is something 10 mm wide with 12 wraps anything near " micro" sized

I don't vape 150 watts. But I would never judge or be snobbish towards anybody who does. But my DNA 40 dual build has to read at about .12 ohms. Perhaps your vastly superior insight can tell me what to do differently so it's not reading at a resistance you find wrong.

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[freeall]

Dude! You have a 150 watt mod in your hand.
150watts

Think about this for a second without a knee jerk defensive posture
150watts

It takes a 100 watt lightbulb to bake a small cake in the easy bake oven for kids.
Now your able to run even more then that into an object with the volume of a walnut.

Being able to produce so much power is not the problem many see.

With that kind of raw power available what possible physical benefit is going to be gained at .2 ohms

You can easily power a 5 ohm coil.

I can see low builds on a mechanical specially when we used to run quads. But 150 unwavering and regulated watts? And you can't build a better performing setup with 1 ohm? All many see is a true lack of being able to properly build and tune a setup if you still need .2 ohms.

The larger coil argument is garbage, ohm for ohm ribbon still smokes micro coils, you would need 18g wire to match the surface area of 28g ribbon

. And while we are there how the ell is something 10 mm wide with 12 wraps anything near " micro" sized

X2.

I've been saying this for awhile now. You got all these people with high powered regulated box mods, running .1 coils. What for? It's bizzare.

Yet, because I don't bow down and agree with them, I'm all of a sudden the dumb one. It just blows me away. Pun intended.

 

[alicewonderland]

Dude! You have a 150 watt mod in your hand.
150watts

Think about this for a second without a knee jerk defensive posture
150watts

It takes a 100 watt lightbulb to bake a small cake in the easy bake oven for kids.
Now your able to run even more then that into an object with the volume of a walnut.

Being able to produce so much power is not the problem many see.

With that kind of raw power available what possible physical benefit is going to be gained at .2 ohms

You can easily power a 5 ohm coil.

I can see low builds on a mechanical specially when we used to run quads. But 150 unwavering and regulated watts? And you can't build a better performing setup with 1 ohm? All many see is a true lack of being able to properly build and tune a setup if you still need .2 ohms.

The larger coil argument is garbage, ohm for ohm ribbon still smokes micro coils, you would need 18g wire to match the surface area of 28g ribbon

. And while we are there how the ell is something 10 mm wide with 12 wraps anything near " micro" sized

yeah this is the thoughts I have on that mod as well, I mean personally for me, I prefer subohming, but when I compare it to 'super subohming' I cant really tell the difference other than it gets hotter quick and burns my lips. Anything 0.1-1.0 tastes the same to me tbh but that could be due to a variety of things. By the way im used to building now though most my setups end up around 0.2-0.7 but most of it is unintentional. I use only 30-40watts or vape 0.25-0.4 safely on my mech mods. With a regulated being at 150 watts it just seems ridiculous to me, because you would never 'need' that many watts unless you are 'specifically' aiming for something in the <0.1 area, which I personally see no reason for. Also, no one ever talks about the 260watt mods because now those are pretty ridiculous , 260 watts scorched lungs for breakfast anyone? Reminds me of that video of that guy doing a review on the VariAnt Clone and catching it on fire within seconds of firing it lol.

i honestly just find it even hard to accidentally make a 0.1ohm coil and I use 24gauge, you really have to try to go to 0.1 and use some ridiculously fat wire. I can see someone using it for clapton coils perhaps but thats about it.

 

[Oberon75]

X2.

I've been saying this for awhile now. You got all these people with high powered regulated box mods, running .1 coils. What for? It's bizzare.

Yet, because I don't bow down and agree with them, I'm all of a sudden the dumb one. It just blows me away. Pun intended.

According to Steam Engine, the median resistance for a 150w Sigelei is .213 Ohms. Too low for you?



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[jseah]

And I've never seen it ever meaning I don't think it's really the problem people are making it out to be. The only place I've ever seen anybody even vape indoors is at a bar or casino which I think is perfectly acceptable as do the business owners. The only place I see younger people blowing giant clouds is in the vape lounges and think people really need to leave them alone.

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And that will vary from place to place as well. Here in NY, smoking indoors, even in bars, have been banned for years. So someone vaping in a bar would be very noticeable, and hence the big push in NY to include e-cigs in the smoking bans. The only place in NY that I have seen any vaping indoors has been in vape stores.

 

[alicewonderland]

funny thing is, im here sitting at the computer vaping a 0.22ohm build on my smpl mod topped with a Rogue RDA not producing clouds at all. I didn't aim for 0.22ohms tbh and I know I've had other builds that produce more vapor. So even on that the amount of vapor is more than just resistance, my Rogue RDA really isnt a cloud chaser RDA. The only benefit im getting from it is now is a warm vape because it definitely isnt producing massive clouds. So you actually can go low builds on certain RDA's to produce 'decent' clouds to make up for what type of RDA it is, but i rarely see people do that or use that to justify subohming. This sub-ohm build on a rogue is pretty nice since it doesn't produce massive clouds in the first place, it takes it up to basically produce the same amount of vaper as say a Doge V2 or one of those cloud chaser atties at around 1.0 ohms. Just found it curious.

using higher ohm builds in certain RDA's can create clouds, but the opposite can be true as well using subohm builds on my flavor atties actually creates 'decent' clouds along with the flavor, but nothing gigantic or obnoxious.

 

[Underwhelmed]

And that will vary from place to place as well. Here in NY, smoking indoors, even in bars, have been banned for years. So someone vaping in a bar would be very noticeable, and hence the big push in NY to include e-cigs in the smoking bans. The only place in NY that I have seen any vaping indoors has been in vape stores.

It's not uncommon here to see teens blowing clouds inside Walmart.

 

[alicewonderland]

It's not uncommon here to see teens blowing clouds inside Walmart.

Well, it is a Wal-Mart. I go there, little homemaker suzy goes there, and one toothed bob goes there. You can see everything at a Wal-Mart. I wouldnt be surprised to see something at a Wal-Mart be it a movie star buying a pot of soil, or a nazi in a bathing suit.

I actually saw Mike Bibby at my Wal-Mart in Sacramento a few years back, I saw Keak Da Sneek there also, but I've also seen a woman on one of those mobile scooter carts running into people on purpose, an old Man in a tootoo, and a few drag queens

 

[Oberon75]

And that will vary from place to place as well. Here in NY, smoking indoors, even in bars, have been banned for years. So someone vaping in a bar would be very noticeable, and hence the big push in NY to include e-cigs in the smoking bans. The only place in NY that I have seen any vaping indoors has been in vape stores.

NY is a different animal and no offense but a place I would never visit for various reasons. Vaping policies being only one of them.

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[Oberon75]

It's not uncommon here to see teens blowing clouds inside Walmart.

Never seen it. The only place I've ever seen it is in a wide open bar room where nobody cared anyway. And believe me, I get around.

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[alicewonderland]

NY is a different animal and no offense but a place I would never visit for various reasons. Vaping policies being only one of them.

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Now isn't that being judgemental?

 

[Topwater Elvis]

I am sure the residents of New York are devastated to hear that.

 

[Oberon75]

Now isn't that being judgemental? [emoji23]

It has everything to do with their government. Not their people.

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[Underwhelmed]

Well, it is a Wal-Mart. I go there, little homemaker suzy goes there, and one toothed bob goes there. You can see everything at a Wal-Mart. I wouldnt be surprised to see something at a Wal-Mart be it a movie star buying a pot of soil, or a nazi in a bathing suit.

I actually saw Mike Bibby at my Wal-Mart in Sacramento a few years back, I saw Keak Da Sneek there also, but I've also seen a woman on one of those mobile scooter carts running into people on purpose, an old Man in a tootoo, and a few drag queens

I don't have any idea of who those people are you saw, I'm just saying that in my local, moderatly afluent neighborhood Wal-Mart, on several ocasions I've seen groups of teenagers vaping in the store.

 

[stevegmu]

It has everything to do with their government. Not their people.


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Odd, when one says they try not to buy things made in China, people cry racism...

 

[jseah]

NY is a different animal and no offense but a place I would never visit for various reasons. Vaping policies being only one of them.

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The funny thing is before I moved back to NY, I was living in California for 15 years. California was one of the first states (if not the first state) to institute a ban on smoking and after a couple of years with it in place and getting used to not smoking in bars and restaurants, it was a rather odd feeling being in NY on a business trip and walking into a bar or restaurant and seeing people light up inside it.

 

[AndriaD]

NY is a different animal and no offense but a place I would never visit for various reasons. Vaping policies being only one of them.

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I feel much the same, but there is one place in NYC I'd dearly love to visit at great length... the Museum of Natural History.

Andria

 

[freeall]

According to Steam Engine, the median resistance for a 150w Sigelei is .213 Ohms. Too low for you?



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Nah, just unnecessary with a 150 watt mod.

But, I digress.