Some ex-smokers just don't get it!

[IMWylde]

Those "small variable issues" might be bigger than we know, that's all I'm saying... someday studies will be done and we'll have a much more educated knowledge of what the affects are to our lungs and body, but right now, we are the lab rats

Actually I have been a staunch supporter of vaporization since I quit smoking and started vaping another substance several years ago. You need to assume less.

If any of these flavorings were harmful at vapor temps cooks would be passing away left and right. So no I truly doubt that were going to find anything of the kind.

 

[100thMonkey]

You mean I can't twirl my hair anymore????!!! ARRRGGGHHHHHHHH!

 

[Jonmo1]

Really??? you've been a staunch opponent of combustion for how long??? 75 days now?? So when you stick your hand in a fire it's somehow different from when you stick you hand on a hot electric stove eye?? Look into an Atty.....and press the battery button... It's burning fluid, and you are inhaling that fluid..... the only difference here is the molecular state prior to it burning tobacco is in a solid state....e-juice is in a liquid state... both still burn.. although the term vaporizing is cool... I'll give you that much

YES, it's VERY different.

The minimum temperature of FIRE when the flame just becomes visible is 977 Degrees F.
This according to Wickepedia (Yes, I know it's not scientifically accurate, but close enough for this argument.)

The average temperature of an Electric Stove top on HIGH, is around 500 F.
I can't find a quote anywhere, but if anyone has different information please say so.

And the minimum temperature of a LIT cigarette (not even when drawing on it) is 752 F.

And I believe I've read that the temperature of an atomizer is somewhere around 300 F ?
Not sure of that...But I do recall it was nowhere near 500 or 700.

so yes, it's VERY different.


The action of FIRE (extreme heat) applied to an organic plant material CREATES toxic/carcenogenic chemicals that did not exist in the plant material to begin with.
This does not occur at the relatively low temperatures generated by PV's.

 

[gingersnaps]

definttion from websters

smoke:1. unconsumed material emited by a fire. 2 inhale and exhale of SMOKE from smoldering tobacco ect.. 3 burn in order to inhale and exhale SMOKE. 4 treat with SMOKE

vapor: a gaseous substance as STEAM or MIST


any questions

 

[Hoosier]

Basic chemistry:

A substance can change states and it still the same substance. (Solid, liquid, vapor)

A substance that combusts (burns) changes.

If I burn alcohol, I get CO2, H2O. If I boil alcohol I get alcohol. Both are hot, but they are not the same.

Don't confuse the change in temp with a change in the substance. Ice is still water is still steam, just a different state.

A smoker inhales the smoke from burning matter. Someone who is addicted to snuff is not a smoker as snuff is not burned. A vapor is not a smoker. All are addicted to nicotine. (Assuming the vapor is, but some do OK without.)

Easy enough if words mean what they mean.

 

[MoonRose]

Good grief, what a can of worms I opened by posting this thread.

 

[tarazarr]

take a look at some of those pictures of old used Atty's here on the forum.....

All I'm saying is... none of us know the truth..... the real truth... about what the affects will be of this "vaping"

Yes we "ALL" hope it is healthier for us.... all we know for sure right now, is we've given up a bunch of stink, and we've replaced the absurd number of known cancer causing ingredients in cigerettes,, for hopefully something much healthier.

We are still smoking that new product, even though it dissapates in air very quickly, we are still burning a substance, albiet this time it's a liquid, and inhaling it... IMO...

So lets just agree on the fact that we disagree.....

 

[Jonmo1]

Good grief, what a can of worms I opened by posting this thread.

You'll find that can of worms opens VERY easily on this forum...LOL.
Some very passionate people here.

It's all good though.

 

[Latakia]

I wonder if those who who self-righteously decry vaping as "still smoking" and vapers as still addicted also apply the same level of cynicism and denegration to recovering alcoholics who replace their former omnipresent beer or whiskey with a soda or cup of coffee?

 

[muttSRT]

Good grief, what a can of worms I opened by posting this thread.

Not really...its an old can thats been opened before...some on here just want to pat themselves on the back and call themselves non smokers. If it works for ya, great, heres a little gold star for ya. Some are more honest with themselves and still consider themselves a smoker.

There is not right or wrong answer, opinions are just that. If someone comes on here and claims that what they say is a "fact", then they are an assclown. PERIOD. Some want to try to take the websters dictionary approach to make it look like they quit smoking.

Heres what I think, meaning my opinion:

1. Vaping is PROBABLY healthier than smoking.
2. Smoking is bad for you.
3. Vaping MIGHT be bad for you.
4. If there was no such thing as e-cigs, i WOULD still be smoking cigarettes.
5. If tomorrow I lost all my PV's and e-juice and they were not available anymore, I would go buy a pack of cigarettes.
6. E-cig's are way more hassle than regular cigarettes.
7. If you refer to cigarettes as "analogs", you're an .......

Again, these are just MY opinions.

***assclown was used with the permission of Mac and the assclown sheriff.

 

[gingersnaps]

I wonder if those who who self-righteously decry vaping as "still smoking" and vapers as still addicted also apply the same level of cynicism and denegration to recovering alcoholics who replace their former omnipresent beer or whiskey with a soda or cup of coffee?

I second that thought

 

[MoonRose]

You know, come to think of it, people usually say once an alcoholic always an alcoholic, or once an addict always an addict and that addicts must fight their addictions every day for the rest of their lives. And I've heard ex-smokers often say that they fight their smoking addictions all the time, even years after they've quit.

 

[whiskey]

No Whiskey bashing allowed Latakia LOL.....

 

[markfm]

You're still putting liquid in your mouth = you're still a drinker.
"It's just lemon-flavored soda water? No ethyl alcohol you say -- who knows what those flavorings will do to you long term!"

 

[tarazarr]

I think if you went to an AA meeting, you'd be surprised to find out that alcoholics, regardless of how long it's been since they've had a drink (an hour, a day, a week, a month, a year, a decade or more) will refer to themselves as alcoholics... and they will be the first to tell you... they are an alcoholic...

 

[muttSRT]

You know, come to think of it, people usually say once an alcoholic always an alcoholic, or once an addict always an addict and that addicts must fight their addictions every day for the rest of their lives. And I've heard ex-smokers often say that they fight their smoking addictions all the time, even years after they've quit.

thats the point i was trying to make...thank you for stating it so clearly and easily. I will always be a smoker, even when I can go a full day without smoking/vaping. I am sure everyone here knows someone who went back to smoking even after being off of them for years. I believe its a habit that will never be broken, until the day they put me in the burner. (and i guess technically, being cremated will be my final "smoking".

 

[markfm]

"who have recovered" is in the Forward of the original Big Book, and "recovered" appears elsewhere.

I'd be happy to say that I'm a recovered smoker

 

[gingersnaps]

I think if you went to an AA meeting, you'd be surprised to find out that alcoholics, regardless of how long it's been since they've had a drink (an hour, a day, a week, a month, a year, a decade or more) will refer to themselves as alcoholics... and they will be the first to tell you... they are an alcoholic...

not all of them. my dad was an alcoholic and quit nearly 30 years ago. he will not refer to himself as an alcoholic and has absolutaly no desire to consume alcohol.

But he sure does love his tea

 

[Jonmo1]

I think if you went to an AA meeting, you'd be surprised to find out that alcoholics, regardless of how long it's been since they've had a drink (an hour, a day, a week, a month, a year, a decade or more) will refer to themselves as alcoholics... and they will be the first to tell you... they are an alcoholic...

But here's the difference.

They haven't invented something that can give you the same feeling that alchohol does, without the negative effects of alchohol.

YES, I'm still addicted to nicotine. But I am not a smoker.
I have found a better way to get my nicotine.
I'm sorry they can't do the same thing for alchohol.
Maybe some day they will.

Just like someone who uses chewing tobacco or snuff/snuss is not a smoker.
Nicotine DOES NOT = Smoke.

 

[tarazarr]

Amen.... and ex-smokers are as we know, the worst smoke haters of them all... It's a self righteous attitude not immune to vaporers either...