I will always consider myself a smoker even though I'm vaping now, but at least I feel better about this habit and my 8 year old Grandson is very proud of me and thinks I smell nicer now. When I'm at their house I still go out and vape same as I did when I smoked so I still have a smokers mentality, but it doesn't really matter.
Some ex-smokers just don't get it!
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"who have recovered" is in the Forward of the original Big Book, and "recovered" appears elsewhere.
I'd be happy to say that I'm a recovered smoker
who are in recovery..... most never get so bold as to say they are recovered.... they've fallen as many times as smokers have quit and somewhere down the road picked up another pack of smokes....
So here's the question for all you non smoking vaporers...
ask yourself.... If all your PV's broke today and there was no way to replace them and no fluid... how long would it be before you grabbed a smoke.... when your real honest with yourself on that question.... It will tell you if your still a smoker or not...
If you really believe this hmmm... yes we may not know EVERYTHING about what is happening with this. But we do know that breathing carbon monoxide kills... we have eliminated carbon monoxide and tar. Suck on the tailpipe of your car for ten minutes every hour, what do you think will happen eventually?
They say they do not know the long term effects of inhaling propylene glycol, Propylene glycol or a derivative of it is used in albuterol inhalers as well as smoke machines for stage performances and fire training excercises, Are the firemen and actors just not breathing? Inhalers are USED to ummm inhale.
Don't believe the FDA tripe... because that's exactly what it is.
Regardless of whether or not I do eventually give up vaping as well as nicotine, I will not become an anti-smoking/tobacco/nicotine nazi as so many do. I hate nothing more than an ex-smoker harping at me about cigarettes, nicotine, or anything else that has to do with smoking. We all know exactly how hard it has been for any of us to kick the tobacco cigarette habit, and for some, there will never be that day. They will always want or need that cigarette even if it's only occassionally. I will not sit in judgement of those who continue to battle what I myself will be battling for the rest of my life, my addiction to cigarette smoking.
But I will say this, the FDA needs to stop trying to ban PV's because they are working for so many. Let PV's continue to be available to adult smokers who want to switch to them. Yes, regulate and enforce that minors aren't able to buy them online or at stores that are selling them and stop using the lame excuse that the flavors are a marketing strategy to draw in kids. Do the long term effect studies of them, there are plenty of us that can be watched and checked for any long term adverse health problems down the road.
But I will say this, the FDA needs to stop trying to ban PV's because they are working for so many. Let PV's continue to be available to adult smokers who want to switch to them. Yes, regulate and enforce that minors aren't able to buy them online or at stores that are selling them and stop using the lame excuse that the flavors are a marketing strategy to draw in kids. Do the long term effect studies of them, there are plenty of us that can be watched and checked for any long term adverse health problems down the road.
"who have recovered" is in the Forward of the original Big Book, and "recovered" appears elsewhere.
I'd be happy to say that I'm a recovered smoker
Recovered smoker & Drinker
I would accept the term "Recovered or Recovering Smoker". That is probably as accurate as anything.
And you're probably right about going right back to smoking if PV's suddenly ceased to exist. But can't say for sure unless it's actually happened.
As others have said, after vaping for a while, cigarettes just smell and taste so nasty....I'm not sure...I would give myself a better than 50/50 odds at keeping off cigarettes in that situation.
And you're probably right about going right back to smoking if PV's suddenly ceased to exist. But can't say for sure unless it's actually happened.
As others have said, after vaping for a while, cigarettes just smell and taste so nasty....I'm not sure...I would give myself a better than 50/50 odds at keeping off cigarettes in that situation.
I agree with you moonrose. I also think that its obvious that we've eliminated the 4000 chemicals in cigarettes and I have several doctors that I see who will say its about risk reduction. We can't eliminate all risks... driving your car is a risk, But driving a car with a seatbelt on reduces the risk... I look at my PV as my seatbelt for now.
do you know every single ingredient in every flavoring?
We all know some scary stuff comes out of China... Happy meal toys anyone?
I know.... I only buy American made juices.... have you ever visited one of these factories in America that extract the nicotine from tobacco? Do they really even exist? Or is every supplier really buying the nicotine from China (as I've heard they own the patent on nicotine extraction) and mixing it in America, thus calling it American made juice....
If you have not personally visited the plant where the nicotine is extracted here in the U.S. then you are in the same boat as me... you are believing what your being told... and hoping for the best... And just because a supplier say's It's American made juice, doesn't mean it's perfectly safe... as if there are no Americans who would ever put profit ahead of selling a safe product....LOL
Just some thoughts to ponder... the point is... we don't Know everything there is to know about this, we simply regurjitate on these boards everything we are told...and we then believe it as fact...
We all know some scary stuff comes out of China... Happy meal toys anyone?
I know.... I only buy American made juices.... have you ever visited one of these factories in America that extract the nicotine from tobacco? Do they really even exist? Or is every supplier really buying the nicotine from China (as I've heard they own the patent on nicotine extraction) and mixing it in America, thus calling it American made juice....
If you have not personally visited the plant where the nicotine is extracted here in the U.S. then you are in the same boat as me... you are believing what your being told... and hoping for the best... And just because a supplier say's It's American made juice, doesn't mean it's perfectly safe... as if there are no Americans who would ever put profit ahead of selling a safe product....LOL
Just some thoughts to ponder... the point is... we don't Know everything there is to know about this, we simply regurjitate on these boards everything we are told...and we then believe it as fact...
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Good question on going back to smoking.
Not that long ago, yeah I would have.
Now, I would probably go back to tobacco, but not the smoking kind.
Burning tobacco gets more and more unappealing every week. I'm finally past the tipping point. I first got addicted with chewing tobacco, so I'd go back to getting my nic-fix with chew at this point.
Not that long ago, yeah I would have.
Now, I would probably go back to tobacco, but not the smoking kind.
Burning tobacco gets more and more unappealing every week. I'm finally past the tipping point. I first got addicted with chewing tobacco, so I'd go back to getting my nic-fix with chew at this point.
So, from all of this debate, I have decided that to be totally honest and accurate for both myself and others, I have changed my signiture tag to reflect where I really am at. I am tobacco smoke free .. that is a true statement.
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Smoker: one who smokes.
Non-Smoker: one who does not smoke.
I've talked to my doctor, he tells me I am a non smoker. I've talked to my health insurance company. They told me I am a non smoker.
I am one who does not smoke.
As to the mentions of AA, that organization is about as effective as the nicotine patch. Perhaps part of the issue is that the members forever refer to themselves as alcoholics. Keep tellings yourself something and you may eventually believe it.
Non-Smoker: one who does not smoke.
I've talked to my doctor, he tells me I am a non smoker. I've talked to my health insurance company. They told me I am a non smoker.
I am one who does not smoke.
As to the mentions of AA, that organization is about as effective as the nicotine patch. Perhaps part of the issue is that the members forever refer to themselves as alcoholics. Keep tellings yourself something and you may eventually believe it.
Really?? Did you get it in writing??
What insurance company is that, I need to call them..
I really can not say i am totally analog free.I WAS wondering if its a mental thing cuz when i vape i have no wants for a analog but when my friends or mom lite up i seem to want one..is this normal do i have to make a stand and stick too it b-cuz i am getting my nic fix.I know this cuz i am not jonesing for a analog its more of a want than a need.......I really do think i get it tho...o-well if i posted this in the wrong place i apologize still learnin the forum
Bradyo -- Have you cut down on how many regular cigarettes you're smoking? If so, that's super. For me, I had some "trigger" things (the mental part), like first waking up, first time getting in the car. I didn't sweat smoking, but did get myself some moderately strong liquid, one day decided to vape instead of smoke at the trigger points, and it worked.
No, I listen to my body and my body has made it clear that vaping IS healthier for me. It's pretty obvious, my lungs are clear, my skin is softer and more elastic, my chest doesn't hurt now that I no longer smoke. In fact, I've experienced all the side effects that are reputed to be caused by quitting smoking even though I started vaping. I can taste things, smell thing, I don't cough, and I can chain vape for hours and hours and still feel ready to run a marathon.
If you're talking about unknown side effects to vaping decades down the line then fine, but we also don't know what taking lose dose aspirin does to the human body for decades either, or drinking caffeine for decades, or using cosmetics on our skin for decades, or breathing urban smog for decades, or handling plastics for decades...
Autism *might* be caused by mothers who don't eat enough saturated fat. Alzheimers *might* be caused by exposure to sunlight every day for 50 years. No one knows for sure but some hypothesis's are plausible and some are... not.
Product testing doesn't conduct research studies for decades before deeming a substance "safe" for consumption. A few months of testing is all you get. If a product doesn't cause a problem in the majority of test subjects it is deemed SAFE and gets a stamp of approval from the FDA. Let's not forget sometimes they are wrong (DDT, Red Dye #7, DMSO, any product named in a late night TV lawyer group settlement participant fishing commercial). Any substance we encounter in our daily lives could be killing us slowly. We don't know. The FDA doesn't know.
But let's get real. No one is going to live forever. We all take a risk when we leave the fortress of solitude aka mother's womb. You calculate your risks and make smart decisions in your personal pursuit of quality of daily life.
Ps. In the spirit of this thread, how crazy would it be to tell a dieter that they are fooling themselves when they think they kicked their food addiction because they still consume calories.
From my point of view, it's a combination of want, need and habit. Even though I personally have had no cravings to smoke a tobacco cigarette, there is that small part of me that still wants it. Not a craving, but the familiar habit of lighting one up and even though they do stink to me now it's a smell that has been a familiar part of my life for 28 years.
What's honest about that? A vaper is not a smoker, by definition.
If you want to tell yourself that steam and smoke are the same thing, feel free. But don't expect people who know the difference between the two to agree with you. You are factually incorrect.
If people stop smoking burning tobacco and vape instead, there's no need to "pat themselves on the back and call themselves non smokers." because they are in fact non-smokers. They are not smoking.
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