Someone else that doesn't know about battery safety

[crxess]

And, don't blame the laptop ancient or not. It is the same as plugging into the wall - the Power source. Cheap chargers are the issue. That and even cheaper batteries with poor charging control.

If a controller can keep the battery from firing when turned off, it should be able to cut power once charge is reached.

 

[Rickajho]

The cheapy chargers and cheapy batteries both have cutoffs, don't they?

But they're still cheapy...

Not necessarily. Some of them come with nothing more than a "USB to eGo" adapter that is only passing along 5V directly to the battery. Those stubby 'lil adapter things with no cable even. It's an adapter and in no way a proper charger. God only know what magic they are working inside the eGo itself to drop it to a reasonable voltage. The "charging circuit" - if any - it probably limited to the protection circuit provided by the battery.

I've use real eGo (Joyetech) batteries with real eGo dongle chargers for over two years without incident. But then again, those things are designed to work right and the charger is actually a proper charger.

 

[Barbara21]

Not necessarily. Some of them come with nothing more than a "USB to eGo" adapter that is only passing along 5V directly to the battery. Those stubby 'lil adapter things with no cable even. It's an adapter and in no way a proper charger. God only know what magic they are working inside the eGo itself to drop it to a reasonable voltage. The "charging circuit" - if any - it probably limited to the protection circuit provided by the battery.

I've use real eGo (Joyetech) batteries with real eGo dongle chargers for over two years without incident. But then again, those things are designed to work right and the charger is actually a proper charger.

What do you mean by a 'real eGo dongle charger'? (I'm not trying to be argumentative, I really don't know.)

I use eGo batteries mainly and I have at least a dozen chargers but they all seem identical (even the ones that have the particular vendor's names imprinted on them).

 

[Nikkita6]

Wow ... she is very lucky it was not worse. But know this can happen even if you are standing over the battery while it is charging. A week or so ago I read a thread on the Fasttech forums about an Ego battery that exploded while charging in the users kitchen, and they were sitting right there. But in this day and age is should be a no brainer, DO NOT CHARGE YOUR BATTERIES OVERNIGHT.

If I start a battery charge late in the evening, and its not done when I am ready to go to sleep, it gets unplugged anyway, and then I plug it back in when I wake the next morning.

 

[p.opus]

A week or so ago I read a thread on the Fasttech forums about an Ego battery that exploded while charging in the users kitchen, and they were sitting right there......

If I start a battery charge late in the evening, and its not done when I am ready to go to sleep, it gets unplugged anyway, and then I plug it back in when I wake the next morning.

That's their first mistake. I wouldn't buy a battery from Fasttech on a dare. I had a bad experience with counterfeit Kanger Mini Protanks that both cracked within 3 weeks of purchase, I wouldn't trust anything from Fast tech with a power cord.

I do trust my authentic innokin products, however. My MVP's and vv3's automatically stop charging after the charge is reached. I treat my vv3, MVP2 and HTC One V the same. They charge overnight.


....I'm such a rebel......

 

[embee214]

Not necessarily. Some of them come with nothing more than a "USB to eGo" adapter that is only passing along 5V directly to the battery. Those stubby 'lil adapter things with no cable even. It's an adapter and in no way a proper charger. God only know what magic they are working inside the eGo itself to drop it to a reasonable voltage. The "charging circuit" - if any - it probably limited to the protection circuit provided by the battery.

I've use real eGo (Joyetech) batteries with real eGo dongle chargers for over two years without incident. But then again, those things are designed to work right and the charger is actually a proper charger.

I've got Joyetech batteries, but how do I know the difference between a good and a bad charger?

 

[Racehorse]

I've got Joyetech batteries, but how do I know the difference between a good and a bad charger?

You don't.

I still had my hand on this one when it blew up as I plugged into the wall. What did I learn? Charge on a charging strip, with charging strip in OFF position, take hand off wall adapter/charger, then turn charging strip on. Also charge in safe place, lipo bag, etc. Unless you want a $150 electrician's bill like I got.

Also, I later closely inspected the wall wart. One of the "tines" was wobbly. See, all this was my own fault, but I know more now then I did then.

It's not a problem, none of it is a problem, if you practice safe vaping overall. This could have been avoided. It scared me though as I was plugging it in at the time, so my hand was ON the charger:

If you are using loose lithium batts, have a multimeter esp. if using a mechanical mod. Meter batts off charger, let them rest before using, meter them to make sure you aren't over discharging when vape starts to feel weak, etc. etc. etc.

All vaping problems are avoided educating oneself.

(electrician did test my charger, it was bad. Thankfully, my electrical system is top notch, the circuit breaers in house tripped as they should, etc. )

 

[Racehorse]

But in this day and age is should be a no brainer, DO NOT CHARGE YOUR BATTERIES OVERNIGHT.

It is a no brainer.

Thanks for saying that, as there are many people on ECF who spend their energy and time helping vapers and who agree 100% with you on that.

One of the first things I read when I came here was one of the ECF moderator's articles in the library (Rolygate). He wrote some excellent stuff on battery safety.

Most dangerous situations involving Li-Ion are when charging them, not using them.

 

[CrazyDamon]

Wow. Makes me kinda nervous as I leave my Spinner to charge overnight. It's usually completely dead, but may as well charge it while I'm asleep.

 

[Racehorse]

Wow. Makes me kinda nervous as I leave my Spinner to charge overnight. It's usually completely dead, but may as well charge it while I'm asleep.

Don't be nervous.

Just don't charge overnight----

Why take chances you don't have to take. Charge in the morning, as sooon as your alarm clock goes off, eat breakfast, shower, etc. then your batts will be charged and ready for the day.

 

[CrazyDamon]

Don't be nervous.

Just don't charge overnight----

Why take chances you don't have to take. Charge in the morning, as sooon as your alarm clock goes off, eat breakfast, shower, etc. then your batts will be charged and ready for the day.

That's the problem, my routine consists of vaping as soon as my eyes open.

 

[Nermal]

My routine, exactly. That's only one reason why I have more than one battery. The other reason is for backup, of course.

 

[Racehorse]

That's the problem, my routine consists of vaping as soon as my eyes open.

Understand.

Why not charge your "morning batts" after work, while cooking dinner or watching TV in same room you are in?

Also, have more than one charger.

Sounds like you need more batteries. I have my "leaving the house" batts, and my "stay at home" batts. So I always have some stuff charged up.

 

[CrazyDamon]

Understand.

Why not charge your "morning batts" after work, while cooking dinner or watching TV in same room you are in?

Also, have more than one charger.

Sounds like you need more batteries. I have my "leaving the house" batts, and my "stay at home" batts. So I always have some stuff charged up.

I indeed have a backup, a basic Ego T but I think I've spoiled myself with the Spinner as it's nowhere the same LOL.

I've been looking around since this and seen mixed reviews on overnight charging. I know the Spinner has overcharge protection and all, but still...

http://www.reddit.com/r/electronic_cigarette/comments/1gcq9p/ego_type_battery_blows_up_at_work/

http://i.imgur.com/jthJTOy.jpg

Think I may play it safe and use my Ego during the morning hours to let my Spinner charge. That's crazy.

 

[Jarbs]

i bought an ego starter kit with 2 batteries just so i could avoid ever having to charge overnight. i was never a boy scout but i like to be prepared.

 

[msgnyc]

Don't be nervous.

Just don't charge overnight----

Why take chances you don't have to take. Charge in the morning, as sooon as your alarm clock goes off, eat breakfast, shower, etc. then your batts will be charged and ready for the day.

I just dont get it. In all honesty, how's this really any different then charging at night?

Charge at night when not using it = not paying attention to charging battery

Charging during the day while doing misc things = still charging while not paying attention to it.

Either way, noones sitting there and watching the battery charge. If its gonna go bad its gonna go bad whether ur charging it at night or during the day.

I just charge them whenever im home and they need charging. Morning, afternoon, night or whatever. Whenever I see their charged I put them into their case.

 

[ExCon]

Msgnyc, the key is OVERcharging i think. When you charge it overnight, you usually overcharge it.

 

[p.opus]

Msgnyc, the key is OVERcharging i think. When you charge it overnight, you usually overcharge it.

You don't "usually" overcharge it if you have properly functioning gear.

Properly functioning chargers will cut off the charging current once the charging current drops below a specific value.

You don't see cell phones and I-Pad's blowing up on peoples night stands, and you don't see people warning people to not charge their cell phones and I-Pads overnight.

My iTaste vv3 and MVP 2 shut off their chargers automatically after a full charge. Battery chargers designed to charge Li Ion batteries like those designed to charge the 16xxx series batteries have built in circutry to stop charging once the cell reaches either reaches 4.2 volts or it's charging current drops to about 3% of the rated current.

Charging Lithium-Ion Batteries

If you have a charger that does not do this, then yes, charging a battery overnight is not a good idea. However if you do have a "smart" charger then there is no reason to worry about overnight charging.

 

[Gary Mcroy]

You don't.

I still had my hand on this one when it blew up as I plugged into the wall. What did I learn? Charge on a charging strip, with charging strip in OFF position, take hand off wall adapter/charger, then turn charging strip on. Also charge in safe place, lipo bag, etc. Unless you want a $150 electrician's bill like I got.

Also, I later closely inspected the wall wart. One of the "tines" was wobbly. See, all this was my own fault, but I know more now then I did then.

It's not a problem, none of it is a problem, if you practice safe vaping overall. This could have been avoided. It scared me though as I was plugging it in at the time, so my hand was ON the charger:

If you are using loose lithium batts, have a multimeter esp. if using a mechanical mod. Meter batts off charger, let them rest before using, meter them to make sure you aren't over discharging when vape starts to feel weak, etc. etc. etc.

All vaping problems are avoided educating oneself.

(electrician did test my charger, it was bad. Thankfully, my electrical system is top notch, the circuit breaers in house tripped as they should, etc. )

That electrician you called overcharged you. I happen to be an electrician and that repair cost him about 3 bucks.

 

[Don Robertson]

Meh I try to go over safe charging as much as possible. It would be nice if more retailers or vendors would discourage usb charging, and just suggest using the wall chargers.

OK ..... I have to ask. "Why" only charge from the wall adapter? Double-safe because the CHARGER AND BATTERY have safety features built in to protect from OVER-charging? The Innokin ITaste VV V3 comes with a USB "roll-up charging cord". Is this a no-no in the terms of safety?

I'm old and sometimes overlook the obvious.

Senile Old Man Don ........... vaping off my USB port as I type............... with TOO MUCH time on my wrinkled old hands!

ADDENDUM THINGIE: Really! I'm OLD ..... pushin' 90 something! I may not have a lot of time to wait to know if I'm a-gonna detonate my Joyetech eGo-Go Passing Through spiffy batteries OR that brand new shiney black ITaste'Em VV V3 with all the cool buttons and pretty blue display OR the two Store Marked Wicked Wacko Joyeteckie Pass Right On By guys I got from Snata Clause!