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Philip

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Is it reasonable for a supplier to have reviews knocking a competitors product on their section?

He says 75% of the reviews were done before he new he was going to be a supplier so that means 25% were done after that. These reviews were done quite recently so who's to say these aren't included in the 25%

It seems odd that there should be 3 reviews on one product all from a different angle but with the same results knocking the competition.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...rkeds-review-intellcig-evo-vs-janty-dura.html

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/dietsmokes/5315-parkeds-review-intellicig-evo.html

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/dietsmokes/5821-parkeds-intellicig-evo-review-take-two.html
 

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You can't read my questions in my last post for some reason Joe.

Strange.

Giving it a rest now.
No, it's just that for clarification purposes, and to bring this issue to a rest I thought it be best that we have the questions posted here, and then they can be answered here, and then we can move on.

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This is the question I've been trying to get answered from the beginning and have been fobbed off and attacked for it:

Why did he post reviews of products he knew he was going to sell without making his bias clear and why did he want to keep his product reviews on the review board when he was found out?

As for shutting us up, if someone wants to say something it'll spill out somewhere even if you close another discussion.

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Parked's explanation of his reviews was 'that's who I am'. What does that mean?[/
SJ , I think your getting the other post mixed up with the other thread :)
 

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Giving it a rest now.

Oh, thank the maker. Kate, you have provided much valuable information on this forum to many users and for that I thank you. It's a shame that you were unable to release your grip on this cause for so long. Your words have been angry, harsh and over the top. I used to hold you in high regard and your opinion carried much weight for me. But now me, and many other forum members, have seen you at your worst. I understand what you were trying to do. I just think you could have found a less abrasive and aggressive way of doing it.

This has to be the longest public dead-horse beating that I've ever witnessed. Honestly, I don't think you will ever get an answer that fully satisfies you. Unless someone brings Parked down here to walk Main St., carrying a cross and you personally get to drive the nails into his hands and feet, you will not be happy. At some point, you just got to let it go. Life's too short. Don't you have more important things to worry about?
 

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Oh, I see...

I seriously question your judgement on this Joe, you're covering up the indefensible.

Not sure I'm covering anything up.

I've been called much worse than a conman for much less cause, did you step in to protect my character? Why not? I believe he is and has said so by admitting that at least 25% of his reviews were made and posted when he had vested interests that he didn't declare.

Kate, your "character" is just that. A character. No-one (or at least very few) knows anything about you outside of this forum. Parked, on the other hand, has his real identity to protect. Aside from my moral duty of trying to ensure the safety of my members, there are legal considerations as well. Having someone slandered on this site and my not doing anything about it leaves the forum exposed.

It's not my duty to protect anyone's commercial interests, and I don't do that. Ever.

The stuff about his reviews are legitimate questions. I closed the previous threads because I'd much rather have the questions raised and answered in the absence of speculation.

This is the question I've been trying to get answered from the beginning and have been fobbed off and attacked for it:

No Kate, you've not been attacked for asking that question.

Why did he post reviews of products he knew he was going to sell without making his bias clear and why did he want to keep his product reviews on the review board when he was found out?

I don't know, ask him.

As for shutting us up, if someone wants to say something it'll spill out somewhere even if you close another discussion.

Oh boy, take it down a level already. There's no "shutting you up "going on.

Parked's explanation of his reviews was 'that's who I am'. What does that mean?

I don't know, ask him.
 

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Oh, thank the maker. Kate, you have provided much valuable information on this forum to many users and for that I thank you. It's a shame that you were unable to release your grip on this cause for so long. Your words have been angry, harsh and over the top. I used to hold you in high regard and your opinion carried much weight for me. But now me, and many other forum members, have seen you at your worst. I understand what you were trying to do. I just think you could have found a less abrasive and aggressive way of doing it.

This has to be the longest public dead-horse beating that I've ever witnessed. Honestly, I don't think you will ever get an answer that fully satisfies you. Unless someone brings Parked down here to walk Main St., carrying a cross and you personally get to drive the nails into his hands and feet, you will not be happy. At some point, you just got to let it go. Life's too short. Don't you have more important things to worry about?

I personally appreciate what Kate has been trying to do. It all has to do with integrity & honesty. She is being a pittbull (not meaning that with any disrespect) for us. I don't think it is right to say she is at her worst, look at how passionate she is at getting to the truth, no matter if it is against a supplier or finding out an ingredient list for us. She cares!:shock:

Now with our plight going on here in the States with the FDA and all, she is one person I wouldn't want to loose. Even though she lives across the pond, she has her finger on the pulse and she is always sharing advise.

So please remember, Kate is not the enemy, she is looking out for the greater good of this forum to keep it honest. :rolleyes:
 

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being naughty and changing the subject ..... eliciafay sure looks pretty in that picture..:)

*blush* You are very sweet. Now please come help me clean this mess up...I think my head just exploded. ;)


She is being a pittbull (not meaning that with any disrespect) for us. I don't think it is right to say she is at her worst, look at how passionate she is at getting to the truth, no matter if it is against a supplier or finding out an ingredient list for us. She cares!:shock:

I agree, she is passionate because she cares and I tried to communicate my understanding of and appreciation for that in my previous post. I'm sorry that was unclear to you. But you know, there's always the whole attracting more bees with honey instead of vinegar thing. You saw how far being a "pitbull" got Palin. :D I'm just sayin'. A lady can be persistent and persuasive and assertive and completely get her way without resorting to name calling and aggression. Just ask my DH, LOL! ;)
 

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SJ, where you reply back to Kate "I don't know, ask him", That is what she was doing! She has asked him repeatedly those very same questions. the only answer that sticks out is "that's who I am". I'm with Kate on this one, WTF does that mean? I can see why she is feeling the way she is, that is not an appropriate answer.
How about if all the non-smokers asked us why we were using PV's and we replied "because, that's who I am", boy wouldn't we look like arrogant a**holes! That is just kind of an analogy.
 

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Kate is FAR from being the enemy...

Kate really does have our best interests in mind in this whole thing...

sadly it HAS become a bit clouded with accusations and namecalling.. but credit where credit is due.. Kate has stayed the course.. right on point.. she wants an answer and won't stray from that... we REALLY could use that answer but sadly.. i don't think it's coming...

now just for clarification... i have no problem at all with Parked.. i see things slightly differently.. i like to think myself mostly a coolheaded kinda guy who TRIES to see things from all perspectives..

i am on the list of the "we shall see" group.. i can see the possibility of what transpired being "not intentional".. if i was a "reviewer" it wouldn't seem to me a long crossover to becoming a supplier.. i'd like to think Parked had no intention of misleading the community.. he states that he didn't.. and other than the slight grain of salt.. i'm willing to accept that.. but it does still leave the main questions unanswered...

1) why did you continue to do reviews of products as an UNBIASED reviewer once you realized you were going to be a seller?

2) even with the understanding that you feel the reviews are part of your online persona.. what would REALLY be the problem with removing reviews about competitors products and just leaving a link to your youtube account for them? if for nothing other than simple compromise

3) why do you choose not to publicly defend your actions? i DO understand it can be the double-edged sword of further condemning you.. but it could also be usefull.. i think the majority would drop it if you fully answer the questions honestly

i DO believe that Parked simply made a misstep.. a simple mistake.. but i may just be reading my faith in his goodness into it.. and i'd like to hear it

and Kate.. you know i lubs you.. and if you continue the course in the same way you have it will not diminish that.. but mayhaps the compromise of using the sugar instead of the vinegar might be in order.. seriously JUST a suggestion :).. i've always been all about tha flowers and birds rather than the police dogs and batons :D
 

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OH god, you guys are at it again?

SJ is right you all need to drop it

The guy did reviews for the most popular devices on this forum

If he was doing reviews for a model no one has ever heard of, said it was awesome, then started selling it and it turned out to suck, I could understand you crying deception

I don't think you have a leg to stand on
 

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Hello Everyone!

Never in a million years did I expect to get this kind of response from this forum. I have been researching products and participating on this forum for quite sometime now. I will post this response to all of your concerns but will no be posting much of else as this forum/thread have gotten out of control.

In regards to everyone going crazy about the domain purchase... This is what I have done my entire career. I am a "Domainer" if you will and have made money off of the internet by purchasing and selling domain names. I literally have thousands of domain names and most of them are inactive sites that contain advertising or are up for sale. When I bought DietSmokes I thought it was a cool name and that it may be worth some money someday. In addition to DietSmokes I purchased a bunch of other names as well. I honestly did not have any interest in getting into this business at the time other than to possibly sell some domain names. The reason I bought DietSmokes was that it was included in a post by ratindahat about renaming e-cigs and what we should call our new hobby... I loved the name and hence bought the domain name.

Jeff, from Janty, lives about 10 miles from me. I had already purchased about 5 other e-cigs before I purchased from Janty. When I purchased from Janty I contacted Jeff and arranged for local pickup. At that time I purchased a mini fogger and a dura set, both of which I paid the full retail price on the website for. I have NEVER received free demo units from Janty or any other supplier to date. My reviews are as unbiased as they can possibly be. I did many reviews for many models, some were Janty and some were not. I have also done reviews for products that we are not even carrying at DietSmokes...

Since I began e-smoking I have purchased every single model on the market and spent thousands of dollars doing so. Some models I like and some I don't like. The thing I liked the least was having to buy from so many different suppliers, especially the one's overseas. I thought it was a great idea to create a superstore of sorts where customers could simply have access to "One Stop" shopping. I consulted with Jeff from Janty on my idea as he has a bunch of experience in this business.

A couple of things were very apparent... First of all if I was going to carry a lot of product we needed a large facility. As you know large facilities cost large amounts of money. It would be impossible for me to cover the cost 100% so we decided to split the costs which made things more feasible. Janty is Janty and Diet Smokes is Diet Smokes...

The second thing that became apparent is that if I was to offer a superstore that the "Brand" names should be included as well. I contacted NJOY and some of the other name brands but they did not have interested in becoming part of this. Janty did have an interest and that is how they became a part of our site. I buy my Janty products directly from Jeff so if a product is available then we can sell it... If it is not we do not sell it.

I really feel like I have done absolutely nothing shady or as someone put it being a "Con Man" here. I am a huge fan of e-cigarettes and will always continue to buy the latest and greatest products. If I like the product I will probably buy a lot of them and make them available at DietSmokes. There is currently a supply issue with most suppliers today. We are trying to get to a point where supply will never be a concern. I know this industry quite well and honestly the only thing I am trying to do is offer a company that will serve the community and offer solutions to issues that are currently in the open. If some of you are upset that I am trying to build something that will only benefit the consumer in the end then there is nothing I can do to change your perception. I'm an honest individual who is trying to build an honest business and I am honestly "Disturbed" that so many of you can't see beyond your initial impression.

As I stated earlier... I have a business to run. I hope that you will give us a shot b/c I think you will be pleasantly surprised. I am not going to answer questions directly on this forum b/c some people will just never be satisfied. If you personally have any questions or concerns regarding our business please PM me directly and I will answer your questions right away.



taukimada -


1) why did you continue to do reviews of products as an UNBIASED reviewer once you realized you were going to be a seller?



I continued to do reviews b/c I love vaping... Like I mentioned before I have purchased thousands of dollars in e-cigs. I continued to do reviews b/c there were people requesting them all of the time. I have received hundreds of emails and PM's from people asking me to post a review on this or that. The reviews that I did were for products that I had gotten a bunch of requests for. And he lady pipe review I gave props to another company selling it and told others how to get it:D
There are also many reviews I did not post up around 10 to be exact!


2) even with the understanding that you feel the reviews are part of your online persona.. what would REALLY be the problem with removing reviews about competitors products and just leaving a link to your youtube account for them? if for nothing other than simple compromise.



I think the reviews have been a great contribution to the forum. Please remember that many of my reviews are for products that I do not carry or intend to carry. I do not state in any of these videos that I sell them as well. On youtube my videos have been watched over 50,000 times so I still believe that people want to see them. Also the replies to the videos from other members adding there response is valuable data to the community as a whole.

3) why do you choose not to publicly defend your actions? i DO understand it can be the double-edged sword of further condemning you.. but it could also be usefull.. i think the majority would drop it if you fully answer the questions honestly.


I have answered pretty much all of the questions that have been directed at me. I will continue to be an informative member on this forum but my posts will be much more limited and focussed more on our company. One of the biggest reason for lack of posting is just that we are extremely busy. It's very difficult to answer emails, ship orders, respond to PM's, and post on the forum. If you have questions you can PM or Email me though... These methods allow me to get back to you faster and still continue to keep the work stuff going.

Now really I have to get back to shipping your orders now :D

Thanks

Parked
 

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taukimada -


1) why did you continue to do reviews of products as an UNBIASED reviewer once you realized you were going to be a seller?


I continued to do reviews b/c I love vaping... Like I mentioned before I have purchased thousands of dollars in e-cigs. I continued to do reviews b/c there were people requesting them all of the time. I have received hundreds of emails and PM's from people asking me to post a review on this or that. The reviews that I did were for products that I had gotten a bunch of requests for. And he lady pipe review I gave props to another company selling it and told others how to get it:D
There are also many reviews I did not post up around 10 to be exact!


2) even with the understanding that you feel the reviews are part of your online persona.. what would REALLY be the problem with removing reviews about competitors products and just leaving a link to your youtube account for them? if for nothing other than simple compromise.


I think the reviews have been a great contribution to the forum. Please remember that many of my reviews are for products that I do not carry or intend to carry. I do not state in any of these videos that I sell them as well. On youtube my videos have been watched over 50,000 times so I still believe that people want to see them. Also the replies to the videos from other members adding there response is valuable data to the community as a whole.

3) why do you choose not to publicly defend your actions? i DO understand it can be the double-edged sword of further condemning you.. but it could also be usefull.. i think the majority would drop it if you fully answer the questions honestly.

I have answered pretty much all of the questions that have been directed at me. I will continue to be an informative member on this forum but my posts will be much more limited and focussed more on our company. One of the biggest reason for lack of posting is just that we are extremely busy. It's very difficult to answer emails, ship orders, respond to PM's, and post on the forum. If you have questions you can PM or Email me though... These methods allow me to get back to you faster and still continue to keep the work stuff going.

Now really I have to get back to shipping your orders now :D

Thanks

Parked


Parked..

thank you for your response.. much appreciated

my post was in no way to defame or antagonize you.. just thought people had some questions that needed answering.. and i sincerely hope that it's been covered :)

as to shipping my product.. sorry.. haven't had a chance to order anything from anybody for a couple weeks... but definately get back to packing everyone elses orders :p:p
 

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Parked your 'crime' was in not letting everyone know your plans well ahead of time...like it or not ....right or wrong....it kinda makes people feel let down ...and does come across as being rather devious ...and so you were bound to get quite a bit of a lashing for it...but in saying that, I wish you well in your business, the web site looks great and the idea is good too.
 
Parked your 'crime' was in not letting everyone know your plans well ahead of time...like it or not ....right or wrong....it kinda makes people feel let down ...and does come across as being rather devious ...and so you were bound to get quite a bit of a lashing for it...but in saying that, I wish you well in your business, the web site looks great and the idea is good too.


I agree with you Pete.

I think that this is exactly what disappointed many of us, Parked. Not that you went into business, but that you chose not to disclose the intent to do business as a retailer while still doing reviews. This is what set off the alarms for many of us, and I believe rightfully so.

Kate is and will be tops in my book for her tenacity and her pursuit of the ENTIRE story. Don't change, Kate.

Parked: I think that what the members of the forum wanted (and has for the most part has NOW been provided) was some inkling of what your thought process was in making the decision not to disclose your intent to go into business. As you describe it, it was a non-issue in your mind and therefore unnecessary to disclose it. As you have clearly seen, for a good many of us that was not the case. That's just who WE are.

If you provide excellent customer service, top quality products and reasonable prices then nothing that has transpired over the last week will have any detrimental effect on your venture. As was stated, the more retailers, the better off customers will be.

Sincerely, I wish you the best of luck in your venture.

GEP
 

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1) why did you continue to do reviews of products as an UNBIASED reviewer once you realized you were going to be a seller?


I continued to do reviews b/c I love vaping... Like I mentioned before I have purchased thousands of dollars in e-cigs. I continued to do reviews b/c there were people requesting them all of the time. I have received hundreds of emails and PM's from people asking me to post a review on this or that. The reviews that I did were for products that I had gotten a bunch of requests for. And he lady pipe review I gave props to another company selling it and told others how to get it:D
There are also many reviews I did not post up around 10 to be exact!
I love vaping too - however I have no desire to post reviews - I'm not sure/can't understand a person's NEED to do that.
I think the reviews should be removed from the forum - go ahead and keep them on youtube if you like.

We can find/ask someone else to review those products if there is a huge need for them.

Problem solved.
 

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I love vaping too - however I have no desire to post reviews - I'm not sure/can't understand a person's NEED to do that.
I think the reviews should be removed from the forum - go ahead and keep them on youtube if you like.

We can find/ask someone else to review those products if there is a huge need for them.

Problem solved.

REALLY? So instead of an actual video, people just post a link? How does this solve any problems...honestly, I wouldn't have bought an e-cig without having seen it in action, parked's reviews or anyone elses....DIE THREAD DIE! unbelievable you people are! lol:evil:
 

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